alpine_saint Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 didn't we sign Jos on Jan 1st? Yes, I am guilty of overlooking this, maybe because I assumed this was a natural consequence of his loan deal back in October. So it feels like old business and not strengthening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Yes, I am guilty of overlooking this, maybe because I assumed this was a natural consequence of his loan deal back in October. So it feels like old business and not strengthening. Do you agree with me that although sharp would be a good signing, we should not be spending the sat sums reportedly that Leicester are spending on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Do you agree with me that although sharp would be a good signing, we should not be spending the sat sums reportedly that Leicester are spending on him? Depends on our financial situation; if we can afford it, why not ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Depends on our financial situation; if we can afford it, why not ? There is a significant difference between being able to afford something and considering something good value for money. Saints could well be able to "afford" to give Sharp £30k, £40k, £50k per week. That doesn't mean they should though does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 There is a significant difference between being able to afford something and considering something good value for money. Saints could well be able to "afford" to give Sharp £30k, £40k, £50k per week. That doesn't mean they should though does it? Hmm. I dont know how to answer that. If NA/NC are still looking at him, they must think he can get the goals we need. Those goals are very important. The next consideration is can we afford his expectations. If the answer is yes to both, we should go for him. I dont see "value for money" comes into it, in the traditional sense. Being in the PL can increase our revenue by 90million quid, I read somewhere, though cannot remember over how long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Hmm. I dont know how to answer that. If NA/NC are still looking at him, they must think he can get the goals we need. Those goals are very important. The next consideration is can we afford his expectations. If the answer is yes to both, we should go for him. I dont see "value for money" comes into it, in the traditional sense. It does if Leicester are willing to offer Sharp more on wages than Saints are willing to spend on a player of his quality, especially if they can get what they see as better value for money elsewhere on another player. You have to draw a line somewhere in regards to wages and not get into a bidding war that lumbers you with a huge 3 year contract on a player you don't deem worth that much of your money even if you can afford it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 It does if Leicester are willing to offer Sharp more on wages than Saints are willing to spend on a player of his quality, especially if they can get what they see as better value for money elsewhere on another player. You have to draw a line somewhere in regards to wages and not get into a bidding war that lumbers you with a huge 3 year contract on a player you don't deem worth that much of your money even if you can afford it. Sorry, I didnt say I condoned getting into bidding wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Sorry, I didnt say I condoned getting into bidding wars. Then what did you mean by this? 1) If NA/NC are still looking at him, they must think he can get the goals we need. Those goals are very important. 2) The next consideration is can we afford his expectations. If the answer is yes to both, we should go for him. In order to "go for him" as you say, Saints would have to match the transfer fee and match or beat what Leicester are offering in terms of wages. Which is reported to be close to £30k p/w plus bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Then what did you mean by this? In order to "go for him" as you say, Saints would have to match the transfer fee and match or beat what Leicester are offering in terms of wages. Which is reported to be close to £30k p/w plus bonuses. I said afford his expectations, not exceed Leicester's offer. I would ask him what he wants, if we can afford it we agree to it, if Leicester then offer more, c'est la vie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 I said afford his expectations, not exceed Leicester's offer. I would ask him what he wants, if we can afford it we agree to it, if Leicester then offer more, c'est la vie. Yet more proof of NA's and NC's underlying incompetence. You couldn't be more right. Have you considered dropping a note to the Liebherrs about taking on the chairmanship of the club? I know it's a long shot, but we need to stop the relentless negativity at the top of the club... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Sharp flopped big time already at Sheffield United. Sorry but anywhere near £3m for a player like him is one HELL of a gamble. I'd rather we got a decent Prem Loanee til the end of the season - or Matty Phillips from Blackpool. From lower down? Jordan Rhodes. If J Rod wanted to be here, he'd be on the bus already. Leicester will implode shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 **** me, is there any thread left where Alpine hasn't hijacked it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 didn't we sign Jos on Jan 1st? He signed before that as Saints had held his registration since Celtic are under a different FA iirc. All that needed to happen was agree terms with the player and club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 In my opinion if we could sign sharp/j rod and commons/matt Phillips that would be ideal, a bonus being a cb and rb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 **** me, is there any thread left where Alpine hasn't hijacked it? In a word NO!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 I thought it was said on Solent a while back that the club weren't interested in Sharp anyway. Don't really understand all this discussion concerning him. He turned us down in the summer, you don't get a second bite of the Saint's cherry nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Let's stop mucking around and whack in a serious bid for Rhodes and sit back and watch him fire us to the Prem. This management malarkey is pretty simple... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Let's stop mucking around and whack in a serious bid for Rhodes and sit back and watch him fire us to the Prem. This management malarkey is pretty simple... Totally agree, 5m & nonsense. Gets us up this time then it's a 90m bonus or next year! Sell him on another 30 million if he continues to be hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Sharp is the most overrated player I have ever come across. I think people are getting too caught up in the 'stats' and branding him some sort of superstar. I hope we don't sign him. We need someone with some height, power and pace upfront not another slow short ass tap in merchant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Good player but not what we need. He would be a great foil for Lambert as a big/little man combo. We need another proper centre forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Sharp is the most overrated player I have ever come across. I think people are getting too caught up in the 'stats' and branding him some sort of superstar. I hope we don't sign him. We need someone with some height, power and pace upfront not another slow short ass tap in merchant. This, we need someone with pace who plays on the last mans shoulder and can run the channels, opens up a lot or the rest of the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Sharp is the most overrated player I have ever come across. I think people are getting too caught up in the 'stats' and branding him some sort of superstar. I hope we don't sign him. We need someone with some height, power and pace upfront not another slow short ass tap in merchant. He's scoring though, I don't think he's great player but his goals would be hugely important for us. I'd prefer Rhodes but consider that unrealistic, if he goes anywhere it will be a prem team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughnutman Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 I still wouldn't rule out us being in for Sharp, afterall with Lee Barnard didnt it seem virtually certain he was Leeds bound only for him to sign for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 (edited) Reading this morning that West Ham bosses have told fat sam to get Rhodes at all costs! Edited 8 January, 2012 by thorpie the sinner embarrassment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Reading this morning that West Ham bosses have told fat sam to get Rhoses at all costs! Bit early for Valentine's, and in any case I heard Brady prefers chocolates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Bit early for Valentine's, and in any case I heard Brady prefers chocolates. consider it edited lol!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Reading this morning that West Ham bosses have told fat sam to get Rhoses at all costs! I hope West Ham struggle financially soon. The manager and 'bosses' seem clueless and reckless with spending. I'm sure it was Sullivan who said they would be around 40m in debt if they got relegated to the Champ... yet they have gone out and signed players for silly money and silly wages. They had 7 strikers in the match squad the other day!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Reading this morning that West Ham bosses have told fat sam to get Rhodes at all costs! Great job Sam has. The owners (who control the money) begging you to bring in one of the football leagues hottest strikers. Sure it should be the other way round?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 jezbutlerJeremy Butler Been hearing #Saintsfc refused to pay Billy Sharp the £20k a week he was asking for. That's why he's going to Leicester #lcfc #sfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 jezbutlerJeremy Butler Been hearing #Saintsfc refused to pay Billy Sharp the £20k a week he was asking for. That's why he's going to Leicester #lcfc #sfc Highly likely,all those who think we pay salaries of 20K + basic are totally deluded.Players at SFC probably get a good screw when we're winning and they're getting good bonuses but 20K basic...doubt if anyone gets anywhere near that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Sharp is the most overrated player I have ever come across. I think people are getting too caught up in the 'stats' and branding him some sort of superstar. I hope we don't sign him. We need someone with some height, power and pace upfront not another slow short ass tap in merchant. I hope West Ham struggle financially soon. The manager and 'bosses' seem clueless and reckless with spending. I'm sure it was Sullivan who said they would be around 40m in debt if they got relegated to the Champ... yet they have gone out and signed players for silly money and silly wages. They had 7 strikers in the match squad the other day!!! If you can call Piquionne a striker. I find it hard to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Highly likely,all those who think we pay salaries of 20K + basic are totally deluded.Players at SFC probably get a good screw when we're winning and they're getting good bonuses but 20K basic...doubt if anyone gets anywhere near that. Same journalist also claims that Maynard and Jutkiewicz are possible targets for Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Highly likely,all those who think we pay salaries of 20K + basic are totally deluded.Players at SFC probably get a good screw when we're winning and they're getting good bonuses but 20K basic...doubt if anyone gets anywhere near that.I'm one of the deluded people. Lallana will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Same journalist also claims that Maynard and Jutkiewicz are possible targets for Saints. That's as maybe, Saints don't pay excessive basic salaries for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 That's as maybe, Saints don't pay excessive basic salaries for the time being. True, Cortese seems to believe that players and fees should be paid in accordance with what they are worth. At the same time, if we keep pursuing these players surely the club will have realised by now these types of players won't accept much less in wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 True, Cortese seems to believe that players and fees should be paid in accordance with what they are worth. At the same time, if we keep pursuing these players surely the club will have realised by now these types of players won't accept much less in wages. I don't doubt that we offer them excellent terms if the results are right,our lads don't seem to mind signing on again each time,but anyone who thinks he's gonna get 20/25/30K a week from us whether he plays or not or performs well or crap won't be impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Well, I wonder where NC is going to find the sort of quality players we need, that are naiive enough to accept low wages even though its is painfully obvious how critical their addition is to getting our campaign back on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Well, I wonder where NC is going to find the sort of quality players we need, that are naiive enough to accept low wages even though its is painfully obvious how critical their addition is to getting our campaign back on track. There are a vast multitude of quality players who will improve our squad who some of us haven't even considered but our scouts will have. I'd be worried if we couldn't find a striker up to it who wasn't Billy Sharp and didn't want 20k a week. Just because you haven't necessarily heard of a player doesn't mean he won't cut it - and these lesser known players are the ones who won't want huge wages. Sharp has become some kind of demigod on here because of a good season with Donny - its easily forgotten how he failed at this level with Sheff Utd - I wanted to sign him but he isn't worth 20k a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Well, I wonder where NC is going to find the sort of quality players we need, that are naiive enough to accept low wages even though its is painfully obvious how critical their addition is to getting our campaign back on track. Do you actually think we've made an offer to Sharp? What about Solent saying we weren't interested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 There are a vast multitude of quality players who will improve our squad who some of us haven't even considered but our scouts will have. I'd be worried if we couldn't find a striker up to it who wasn't Billy Sharp and didn't want 20k a week. Just because you haven't necessarily heard of a player doesn't mean he won't cut it - and these lesser known players are the ones who won't want huge wages. Sharp has become some kind of demigod on here because of a good season with Donny - its easily forgotten how he failed at this level with Sheff Utd - I wanted to sign him but he isn't worth 20k a week. The reason why we have gone after Lee, in my opinion, is because his wage demands arent inflated by familiarity on the English football scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Do you actually think we've made an offer to Sharp? What about Solent saying we weren't interested? I dont think we have made a new one since the summer, no. The point is, if I were a pro footballer instructing an agent, and Saints came-a-knocking with their recent form threatening to knock them out of an automatic promotion position, I'd add a few Ks to my weekly wage expectation too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 I dont think we have made a new one since the summer, no. The point is, if I were a pro footballer instructing an agent, and Saints came-a-knocking with their recent form threatening to knock them out of an automatic promotion position, I'd add a few Ks to my weekly wage expectation too. Who have we offered low wages to then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Who have we offered low wages to then? Jesus, its a hypothetical discussion backed up by an impression some have that NC is somewhat strict with control of the wage structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 . So it feels like old business and not strengthening.Only to a needy old tart like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Jesus, its a hypothetical discussion backed up by an impression some have that NC is somewhat strict with control of the wage structure. Fair enough, but what you said didn't sound very hypothetical... more fact. "Well, I wonder where NC is going to find the sort of quality players we need, that are naiive enough to accept low wages even though its is painfully obvious how critical their addition is to getting our campaign back on track." FWIW I have no idea what we're offering wages wise, but I don't believe the players who have signed new contracts within the last year are naiive or on low pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Fair enough, but what you said didn't sound very hypothetical... more fact. "Well, I wonder where NC is going to find the sort of quality players we need, that are naiive enough to accept low wages even though its is painfully obvious how critical their addition is to getting our campaign back on track." FWIW I have no idea what we're offering wages wise, but I don't believe the players who have signed new contracts within the last year are naiive or on low pay. In all fairness, the urgent need wasnt there the way it is now. Surely its simple demand-driven economics ?? As for your comment about it sounding fact, when you asked the question you quoted my post "If I were a pro footballer". Surely its hypothetical nature is clear from the words ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 Jesus, its a hypothetical discussion backed up by an impression some have that NC is somewhat strict with control of the wage structure. Who on earth thinks we have a tight wage structure? Show me 1 person on here who thinks we're being frugal in terms of wages, and I'll show you an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 In all fairness, the urgent need wasnt there the way it is now. Surely its simple demand-driven economics ?? True, but Fonte's contract was only renewed recently and I'd hazard a guess he was already one of the highest paid players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggers Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 I cant believe this thread is still running, saints were in for him but the deal fell over a couple of weeks ago' it's not meant to be, he'll definitely score against us again before the end of the season, think he'll have a bit of a point to prove iMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 8 January, 2012 Share Posted 8 January, 2012 I cant believe this thread is still running, saints were in for him but the deal fell over a couple of weeks ago' it's not meant to be, he'll definitely score against us again before the end of the season, think he'll have a bit of a point to prove iMHO Really? Because of money or he didn't want to relocate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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