Coventry 1 - 2 Saints - Post Match Reaction

[shurlock]

What do you mean by that ?

 

Am quite happy if people are critical -and I don't mind your criticism per se- but you're criticisms are always generalisations that bore the sh*t out of me.

 

An ability to distinguish between problems that are minor vs. major, temporary vs. longer-lasting and within our control vs. outside our control would be a start. But that means understanding what's happening on the pitch -from game to game. Of course, you can't do that -which is fair enough and I've backed you up on other threads when it comes to attending games- but surely that's a reason to tone down -rather than ratchet up the remarks?

[alpine_saint]

Am quite happy if people are critical -and I don't mind your criticism per se- but you're criticisms are always generalisations that bore the sh*t out of me.

 

An ability to distinguish between problems that are minor vs. major, temporary vs. longer-lasting and within our control vs. outside our control would be a start. But that means understanding what's happening on the pitch -from game to game. Of course, you can't do that -which is fair enough and I've backed you up on other threads when it comes to attending games- but surely that's a reason to tone down -rather than ratchet up the remarks?

 

I know I've been quite loud this week, but really the Brighton result needs to give a few people a kick in their complacency in my opinion, club officials and fans alike.

 

And I see this as a major issue. Watching our decline the following season after losing to Derby on penalties makes me think we will not get as good a chance for promotion as this for a long time.

 

The 2nd half today has mollified me a little, since maybe we really can hold the fort without Rickie somehow.

[stevegrant]

I know I've been quite loud this week, but really the Brighton result needs to give a few people a kick in their complacency in my opinion, club officials and fans alike.

As someone who went to that game, take it from me, ignore the scoreline from the Amex completely, it does the game no justice whatsoever. The performance before Lambert got sent off was as good as we've played away from home all season, and after that decision merely showed a bit of fatigue and lack of depth, which we knew would happen at some point anyway.

 

Of infinite more concern to me was how a team as **** as Bristol City have managed to outplay us twice in a month when they've failed to even come close to beating anybody else.

 

There's also a fundamental difference between our situation now and the situation we faced in 2007 - we don't have a £7m parachute payment that's going to cease to exist come the end of this season. Financially, we appear to be on solid ground, with no need to shed any of our better players in order to balance the books. In my opinion, we're also in the interesting position of having a strong side but at the same time not having players who would automatically be the sort of player to attract attention from the Premier League. Sure, the likes of Lambert have been linked, but he turns 30 next month and it would take a ridiculous offer for us to let him go, so that pretty much rules out any of the sides likely to be monitoring his progress.

 

On the flipside, I also wouldn't necessarily read too much into a decent second half against a woeful Coventry side, as good as it is to see the likes of Ward-Prowse getting a game and playing well.

[alpine_saint]

As someone who went to that game, take it from me, ignore the scoreline from the Amex completely, it does the game no justice whatsoever. The performance before Lambert got sent off was as good as we've played away from home all season, and after that decision merely showed a bit of fatigue and lack of depth, which we knew would happen at some point anyway.

 

Of infinite more concern to me was how a team as **** as Bristol City have managed to outplay us twice in a month when they've failed to even come close to beating anybody else.

 

There's also a fundamental difference between our situation now and the situation we faced in 2007 - we don't have a £7m parachute payment that's going to cease to exist come the end of this season. Financially, we appear to be on solid ground, with no need to shed any of our better players in order to balance the books. In my opinion, we're also in the interesting position of having a strong side but at the same time not having players who would automatically be the sort of player to attract attention from the Premier League. Sure, the likes of Lambert have been linked, but he turns 30 next month and it would take a ridiculous offer for us to let him go, so that pretty much rules out any of the sides likely to be monitoring his progress.

 

On the flipside, I also wouldn't necessarily read too much into a decent second half against a woeful Coventry side, as good as it is to see the likes of Ward-Prowse getting a game and playing well.

 

I havent looked to closely at City's form, but I seem to recall someone postin around the time we first played them that it had picked up. Are they really that bad ? I placed more stock on the Brighton result because it really felt like a Walls of Jericho moment, since so much went so wrong so quickly.

 

It just seems to me, looking at both the BC and Brighton result, that teams who play in-your-face, niggly, physical football, can get a result against us, and we are going to see more of this now. Its great to watch silky feet-to-feet stuff, and there is a place for that in the PL, but we have to get there first.

[SaintBobby]

Yes, because this site should just be reduced to saying "we are top of the league" ad infinitum, with absolutely no consideration of how we can actually stay there, shouldnt it ?

 

F**k me, and you lot have the nerve to call us "bedwetters". At least we can handle the fact that not everyone sees it the same as us.

 

Really, the foot-stamping and whining on here is getting childish and pathetic.

 

You use this forum for your own rather tragic mental therapy.

 

Again and again, your actual knowledge of Saints has been proved to be dire - certainly your predictions have. A little worse than my 5-year old nephew's overall.

 

I don't actually mind people with deep, disturbing personal problems using the net as a scream for help.

 

It reminds me how lucky I am.

 

But don't expect the majority - who just have a love of a particular football club - to be patient forever.

 

After a while, it just gets seriously tedious.

[dubai_phil]

Alps. It is NOT what you say but HOW you say it.

 

You want to rant on the match thread about a performance that's not the issue.

 

the REASON you get the bile and vitriol is that you ARE posting ill informed garbage - no that is not MY interpretation, it is your OWN.

 

You REGULARLY admit yourself that you do not LISTEN to commentary. So you make sweeping generalisations based on what?

 

Brighton that you quote was a nightmare. But we scored a goal (we're not the FIRST team to have a ball over the line NOT given - FIFA have a programme to STOP that heppening) FFS that wasn't NC's fault) and played well until the sending off. I do not think anyone on the match thread did anything EXCEPT call Lambert a **** for reacting. Thing is we did not go on and on and on and on for the next week about it.

 

Nothing at any club is as it seems or as it appears on FM2010/1/2 and a lot of things at SMS are not right (but then the same can be said at the moment about lots of clubs whether it be the nastiness at Liverpool, the debt at Manure, hell even redkrapp is having a rant about Spurs at the moment)

 

So you ARE post6ing ill informed drivel. Start LISTENING to the games and commenting but it is your continual "I know what is going on I don't need to listen" attitude that is turing a shared experience on match day into a continual proof that Care in the Community does not work.

 

That is your fault, not ours, and it is nothing to do with problems at SMS or delays in signing players caused by UK Law.

[surrey1saint]

Great post Phil!

[Depressed of Shirley]

There's just no point in the match threads anymore, they stop it being even slightly enjoyable. We're topping a league for the first time in my saints supporting life, I'm liking it personally. Might not stay there, but so be it. It's clear now certain posters will never be positive, never be happy and never seem to get much joy from their club. In L1 we definitely weren't going up, they wrote us off after EVERY slip up (one genius in september, go on, guess), then they say we'll mess it up at the end, then that we messed it up only coming 2nd. Then that we'd struggle, didn't spend enough, signed wrong players, didn't sign early enough, players wouldn't make the step up etc. Then that our start wouldn't last long, that we didn't strengthen enough. And then? Then the biggest joke of all, that being top isn't enough, we should actually be miles clear at the top and we've messed it up, we need lots of signings, lots of money spent or it'll all go wrong.

 

No thought towards budgets, no thought that the manager will do what he can whatever the finances, no appreciation of our achievements so far, no apparent memory of all the time we've been awful over the years, no memory of nearly losing the club, no awareness of overspending, no attempt to be positive and absolutely no enjoyment of our club.

 

THAT is why the match threads and their loud minority of tedious wristslitting, bedwetting overreacting pathetic nobheads can fck right off.

 

This

[VectisSaint]

There's just no point in the match threads anymore, they stop it being even slightly enjoyable. We're topping a league for the first time in my saints supporting life, I'm liking it personally. Might not stay there, but so be it. It's clear now certain posters will never be positive, never be happy and never seem to get much joy from their club. In L1 we definitely weren't going up, they wrote us off after EVERY slip up (one genius in september, go on, guess), then they say we'll mess it up at the end, then that we messed it up only coming 2nd. Then that we'd struggle, didn't spend enough, signed wrong players, didn't sign early enough, players wouldn't make the step up etc. Then that our start wouldn't last long, that we didn't strengthen enough. And then? Then the biggest joke of all, that being top isn't enough, we should actually be miles clear at the top and we've messed it up, we need lots of signings, lots of money spent or it'll all go wrong.

 

No thought towards budgets, no thought that the manager will do what he can whatever the finances, no appreciation of our achievements so far, no apparent memory of all the time we've been awful over the years, no memory of nearly losing the club, no awareness of overspending, no attempt to be positive and absolutely no enjoyment of our club.

 

THAT is why the match threads and their loud minority of tedious wristslitting, bedwetting overreacting pathetic nobheads can fck right off.

Very good summary of how I feel. This and Dubai Phil's response. I don't have a problem with the person we are talking about here per se, but the threads just become so ****ing depressing that any enjoyment of the game or banter is just completely lost. I finish the afternoon thoroughly down in the dumps not because of the result,t hough that doesn't help, but because of the mindless negativity and moaning which has nothing to do with a match thread. Please lets keep the match thread to posts about the match, and a few pictures of nuns.

[monosaint]

What do you mean by that ?

Says it all. You can't even understand what he's saying.

[Gingeletiss]

Yesterday for example, we hadn't even kicked off, post 6 had us doomed! Doomed I say!

[miserableoldgit]

Why cant you just accept that we dont believe everything is that great currently ?

 

Why cant you just accept that we dont believe everything is that negative currently?

[Draino76]

The highlights are up on saints playa

[capitalsaint]

The highlights are up on saints playa

 

What has that got to do with Alpine?

 

Stick to the topic please.

[bender]

Make no mistake we got lucky in this game. They should have been 2 up at half time and got in behind us so many times in the 2nd half before we scored. But once we scored there was no looking back. Our midfield just took the p1ss and we were suddenly the side we saw a month or so ago. Just goes to show its a confidence game. I think we could go on from here.

[Lazlo78]

Just watched the highlights.

 

- I'm pleased that Bart by all accounts played an acceptable match with a couple of good saved. Will probably do wonders for his confidence (and our confidence in him)

- The whole setting with youth players, players out of position etc. made me quite happy for the group of players out there. W-P, Martin, Reeves, Hoskins, Doble and Stephens all played some part (major or minor) and Lallana, Hooiveld, Harding, Fox etc. will probably also gain some confidence...

- We're in the next round of the cup!

- Game thread and post game thread have all been argued to pieces. Let's get ourselves sorted before the threads become 100% useless...

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

First half we were poor. was still a pretty stong line up out there and we just didn't look interested enough.

 

2nd half much better and we completely bossed it against a poor Cov side. Pleased for Ward-Prose and Martin for their goals, not overly impressed with the other young lads though.

 

Funny line-up, god knows how Harding ended up at right-back, but he probably deserves MOM for his performance.

 

Good numbers of Saints up there albeit a bit on the quiet side, worth the effort in the end and is hopefuly the springboard we need to get back to winning ways.

 

While I agree with some of what you say, I don't know how you can you weren't impressed with any of the other youngsters. I'd agree that Doble had a poor game, but Hoskins had a major impact as sub in that his work rate when he came on started to give their defence something to do and created the space for Ward Prowse to get his goal.

 

Similarly, Reeves produced some of the best skill we saw all day after coming on. He terrorised their defence with some clever dribbling and then having shaken off his markers, got a good cross in which almost resulted in a goal.

 

As for the lad who came on at the end, you can hardly complain about his minute on the pitch! It didn't really give him much time to do anything!!

 

In terms of Ward-Prowse and Martin, I would say Martin did pretty well and Ward-Prowse showed promise, even if he did fluff his lines a couple of times... and as you rightly say, he took his goal reasonably well.

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

First half we were poor. was still a pretty stong line up out there and we just didn't look interested enough.

 

2nd half much better and we completely bossed it against a poor Cov side. Pleased for Ward-Prose and Martin for their goals, not overly impressed with the other young lads though.

 

Funny line-up, god knows how Harding ended up at right-back, but he probably deserves MOM for his performance.

 

Good numbers of Saints up there albeit a bit on the quiet side, worth the effort in the end and is hopefuly the springboard we need to get back to winning ways.

 

I also forgot to say... I don't know how you can say Harding was MOM - he had as much confidence with kicking with his right foot as Bart and frequently mis-kicked the ball or failed to deal with it correctly as a result. He also got out of position far too many times. I appreciate that part of his role is to get up the wing, but he has got to get back too!!

 

No, in my opinion, MOM would probably go to Cork. Best performance of the match while he was on the pitch IMO goes to Ben Reeves who was brilliant for the few mins that he was playing. I couldn't give him MOM though as he didn't play for long enough to count really!

[Professor]

Based on the highlights, I hope NA gives some firm advice to his midfield about defensive responsbilities. Cork, I think it was, who was at fault for the Coventry goal by failing to make any real effort to stay with the winger and allowed a free cross that led to the goal.

 

In the second half we see Lallana trying and failing to prevent a cross from the Coventry right by doing some kind of war dance instead of blocking the cross. Maybe he hoped the winger would stop to admire his bobbing up and down, but if so, it didn't work.

 

We have seen both of these players as key members of the side but, admittedly on the evidence of just two incidents, they would need to do better in the Prem.

[holepuncture]

I have not even looked at the match thread as yet, but I can take a guess that it was depressing and the normal members will be moaning and slitting there wrists.

 

There's just no point in the match threads anymore, they stop it being even slightly enjoyable. We're topping a league for the first time in my saints supporting life, I'm liking it personally. Might not stay there, but so be it. It's clear now certain posters will never be positive, never be happy and never seem to get much joy from their club. In L1 we definitely weren't going up, they wrote us off after EVERY slip up (one genius in september, go on, guess), then they say we'll mess it up at the end, then that we messed it up only coming 2nd. Then that we'd struggle, didn't spend enough, signed wrong players, didn't sign early enough, players wouldn't make the step up etc. Then that our start wouldn't last long, that we didn't strengthen enough. And then? Then the biggest joke of all, that being top isn't enough, we should actually be miles clear at the top and we've messed it up, we need lots of signings, lots of money spent or it'll all go wrong.

 

No thought towards budgets, no thought that the manager will do what he can whatever the finances, no appreciation of our achievements so far, no apparent memory of all the time we've been awful over the years, no memory of nearly losing the club, no awareness of overspending, no attempt to be positive and absolutely no enjoyment of our club.

 

THAT is why the match threads and their loud minority of tedious wristslitting, bedwetting overreacting pathetic nobheads can fck right off.

 

Agree 100% with the above posts... Not being at the game, not having Saintsplayer and unable to get a BBC solent stream I decided that the match thread and SSN on the tv was the best I could get...

 

IIRC it used to be a handy thread as people would post when we have corners, whos doing well etc it was a little regurgitated straight from Saintsplayer/solent but it was good nonetheless.

 

I gave up at half time for the Coventry match, the tedious moaning, d*ick swinging, *****ing and wrist slitting was too much to bear. It frustrated me so much I decided to go out and forget about the football untill FT.

 

Its the same bunch of whinging c*nts every time its so bloody boring and annoying - a real shame but these losers probably get ignored in reality so this is their outlet to spout bile and drivel.