sir_fred Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 I just looked at the highlights and once again Davis lets a rebound bounce straight out(for their first goal). I have all the respect for what he have done for us but he needs to address this area quickly as he gives away easy goals at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 I just looked at the highlights and once again Davis lets a rebound bounce straight out(for their first goal). I have all the respect for what he have done for us but he needs to address this area quickly as he gives away easy goals at the moment. On skippy,skiddy shots he needs to do what I saw Krull do the other day,field them by falling on top of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Several times this season he's blocked a shot only to knock it down right in front of the goal mouth. An area for improvement, one im sure Nigel will have noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 On skippy,skiddy shots he needs to do what I saw Krull do the other day,field them by falling on top of the ball. Krull and Joe Hart both use the chest as the backstop and close the 'door' with their arms before the ball can get away. It's clever, fast and very planned. I don't know whether Kelvin doesn't believe in the technique or doesn't have the reactions any longer to pull it off. Either way it's a problem - and one that we're seeing more often because I think teams have a "book" on him and set out to exploit the weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 he done it twice against Bristol and the ball ended up in the net twice...wasn't surprised to see it happen again next match. Hope he has been training hard to get rid of an obvious issue in his style of keeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 He's always done it. It took real skill for him to spill the second shot against Bristol back into the danger area. All he needed to do was help it on its way across goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Last season it was letting in soft goals at his near post. He seems to have got over that weakness, only to find another one. Pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Tend to agree with Adriansfc, at his time of life this is a pretty basic goalkeeping error - therefore hard to see him making drastic improvements in this area. It's one of his weaknesses - if anything I would be addressing it by getting our defenders to be aware of it and staying on their toes - hopefully bailing him out more times than not. Unfair maybe to expect somebody else to cover for his weakness, but it's a team game, players should be aware of teamates strenghts and weakness'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Last season it was letting in soft goals at his near post. He seems to have got over that weakness, only to find another one. Pity. Yep, Season before it was soft cross shots that went in the far corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 As far as I'm concerned, Kelvin can have the keepers jersey as long as he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 couple of very poor mistakes in the last two games, but he'll bounce back. I assume Robbin Ruiter is still on our radar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 Strengths: Davis is a great shot stopper and kicker. Up there with the best. Has a great presence behind the scenes as club captain and highly respected by players and coaches. Weaknesses: He does not command his area enough. He cannot hold a shot leading to too many follow up chances. He has a near post weakness. His distribution from the back is poor because he needs too much thinking time. Overall: Great servant for the club but as we move up the leagues, so we will need a keeper who has his strengths but not his weaknesses. Time for a new keeper from outside of the club. Too late for Davis to rectify his weaknesses. They are part of his make up and have been with him for years. Premier with Sunderland, admittedly with a very poor team, showed him for what he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 He knows he has no challenge whatsoever! Bart , last match showed he is shot, Forecast who each month has a thred dedicated to his potential has more chance appearing at Caesars Palace Vegas than in Saints 1st team. Surely training cannot be as good for him as it was when he had some sort of competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 He knows he has no challenge whatsoever! Bart , last match showed he is shot, Forecast who each month has a thred dedicated to his potential has more chance appearing at Caesars Palace Vegas than in Saints 1st team. Surely training cannot be as good for him as it was when he had some sort of competition. This. However, at the moment in the NPC Kelvin is definately adequate and deserves his place because of his loyal service to the club when the times were very bad indeed. Has everyone forgotten how he stuck with us when all the others fled like rats from a sinking ship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 Has everyone forgotten how he stuck with us when all the others fled like rats from a sinking ship? This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 I thought he should have held both shots but did anyone see Reina against Citeh?? Keepers simply don't catch the ball any more. Maybe it's the ball, maybe it's the coaching, who knows? But in the Bristol game as well as that shot that bounced out that he saved again and then went in, he made a brilliant near post tip over that many a keeper would have let it. Tell me, is there genuinely a keeper of Shilton or even Niemi's standard out there any more???? If Arsenal and United can't find one, how the hell can we... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 I've never been a massive fan of Davis and I still don't think he's that great. He's certainly not the best in the league, which is what we ideally want if we want to finish top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 Funny how people never mention the great saves he makes on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 Several times this season he's blocked a shot only to knock it down right in front of the goal mouth. An area for improvement, one im sure Nigel will have noticed. In which case shouldn't the defence be backing up as they must be expecting it by now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketphilly Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 There is a dearth of top class keepers in this country i'm afraid, Joe Hart is pretty much head and shoulders above the rest. The second string English goalies, Foster et al are no better than KD. Be interesting to see how good Robbin Ruitter (?) is should we land him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_fred Posted 7 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 7 January, 2012 As a few has mentioned the of competition does not do him any good. The ideal would be to signed an almost ready keeper who can push him on and be ready to take over. Have been talks about Smithies and Lewis but not sure how they have developed this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonian Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 Kelvin even in his Sunderland days has always pushed the ball forward rather than wide, which is a basic weakness even at local football level, but he won't change now, he is a great shot stopper, has been very loyal and is the best we have at the moment, I'm sure a goalkeeper is an area nige is looking to improve, I think Lee Camp from forest would be a good shout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 Maybe it's the ball, maybe it's the coaching, who knows? I think 80% of it is the ball and its often unpredictable movement. It's almost impossible to compute the intercept point for a cross, and harder to get there even if you could because of all the blocking that goes on today. Most shots from any distance have two or even more directional changes, including a late one. But this is why the modern keepers have developed "fail safe" techniques such as bringing the chest into diving saves and trapping the ball. I haven't seen Kelvin do much of this, and passing years are slowly dulling the great reactions on which he's always relied, so that makes him more vulnerable to errors than the "new breed". As much as I like him and the loyalty he's shown, he's hanging on at this level and would be exploited in the Premier league. With nothing for back up, a quality keeper must be a top priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 Different kind of ball today I think,we'll see how our keeper gets on with that, sure it'll be Bart though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 I and passing years are slowly dulling the great reactions on which he's always relied, so that makes him more vulnerable to errors than the "new breed".. I always find it wierd when people say stuff like this as soon as a player gets towards usual retirement age. Is there any actual evidence that his reactions are slowing? If anything I would say he's better than when he joined us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 I always find it wierd when people say stuff like this as soon as a player gets towards usual retirement age. Is there any actual evidence that his reactions are slowing? If anything I would say he's better than when he joined us. I think it's just a factual degenration isn't it? At 41 my reactions are nowhere near what they wre at 21!! That's why the birds seem to be able to get away these days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 I think it's just a factual degenration isn't it? At 41 my reactions are nowhere near what they wre at 21!! That's why the birds seem to be able to get away these days... Obviously it comes to us all, but people generalise and say his reactions are going, when there's been no evidence that his shot stopping isn't as good as ever. Annoys me :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 Obviously it comes to us all, but people generalise and say his reactions are going, when there's been no evidence that his shot stopping isn't as good as ever. Annoys me :-) I did make a point above that the shot he tipped over against Bristol was as good as any save I've seen of late. It's the old problem, saves go unnoticed, mistakes don't. The curse of the keeper... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La BoIS Saint Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 I've never been a massive fan of Davis and I still don't think he's that great. He's certainly not the best in the league' date=' which is what we ideally want if we want to finish top.[/quote'] Super, Super Kelv, Super Kelvin Davis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 I always find it wierd when people say stuff like this as soon as a player gets towards usual retirement age. Is there any actual evidence that his reactions are slowing? If anything I would say he's better than when he joined us. LTC is right - it's a fact that reaction degeneration starts kicking in during the thirties. A keeper's prime age was always said to be 28-34 or so, but now it might be a little shorter because top-level physical fitness is such a prerequisite in the modern game. If you want "actual evidence", I'd say that being caught flat-footed by near-post shots is as good as any. IIRC Kelvin wasn't caught-out as often at the near post as he is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 Fantastic keeper for us, and ALL keepers make mistakes. We would have not got any better in the last few years. Great keeper! You have to look to your defence to help you out sometimes on rebounds. The first thing he has to do is keep the ball out the net, and as a goalkeeper coach mysekf, this is what you HAVE to do, and IF you can push the ball to one side then do, but not at the risk of a direct goal. The balls move in the air so much, you could try and push the ball yo one side, and it slight move and it is passed the hand and in the net. Keep it real, Kelvin is a great keeper and a great survent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 LTC is right - it's a fact that reaction degeneration starts kicking in during the thirties. A keeper's prime age was always said to be 28-34 or so, but now it might be a little shorter because top-level physical fitness is such a prerequisite in the modern game. If you want "actual evidence", I'd say that being caught flat-footed by near-post shots is as good as any. IIRC Kelvin wasn't caught-out as often at the near post as he is now. How many times has he been beaten at the near post this season? You're making it up as you go along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 How many times has he been beaten at the near post this season? You're making it up as you go along. It's generally accepted that this is a weak area for him because he's been beaten there more often than he should (and not just this season); I can't count them or list them (others might) but they've certainly happened. He's also slow adjusting to a cross to the far post when he's opted to guard the near post. As much as I like Kelvin and respect what he's done for us (a lot more than some give him credit for), his best days are behind him. I'd keep picking him because he's the best we have but we need to splash the cash. I'm not sure why you're so sensitive about this justified criticism that you want to deny a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 Maybe we should let Bart play a few more games and see if he can take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 Davies has been a great servant to the Club, stood by us and has earnt all our support and admiration. However, the time has come to buy a new experienced commanding keeper. In the premiership next we must have a new keeper and many more mistakes by KD in the next few mnatches and we'll need a new keeper to get us up!! At 37 KD is not good enough now for this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 Davies has been a great servant to the Club, stood by us and has earnt all our support and admiration. However, the time has come to buy a new experienced commanding keeper. In the premiership next we must have a new keeper and many more mistakes by KD in the next few mnatches and we'll need a new keeper to get us up!! At 37 KD is not good enough now for this league. If we get to the premier league yes we should buy a new keeper, but also give Kelvin a new contract. He is a perfectly good keeper at this level, and we can get a couple more seasons out of him. If we go up, perhaps there is another role he could do, but would be great for him to get a game in the prem with us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintalton Posted 7 January, 2012 Share Posted 7 January, 2012 The best solution would be to re-sign old man Kevin miller, George 'drunken' burleys great goalkeeping solution! Wow he was Forecast bad! The only issue with re-signing miller is if he agrees to once again step back from his window salesman position, big call..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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