Saint Garrett Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Ryan Dickson has joined Yeovil on loan for a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 surprised he hasn't gone on loan before now. is Paul Wotton still there ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2568321,00.html Ryan Dickson has joined League One side Yeovil Town on a one month loan deal. The versatile left sided full back has found first team opportunities limited this season, having been restricted to just two outings in the early rounds of the Carling Cup. Dickson joins former Saints teammate Paul Wotton at Huish Park, where Terry Skiverton's men currently occupy a relegation spot in League One. Ryan could make his Glovers debut in the trip to Sheffield United on Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 http://www.ytfc.net/page/NewsDetail/0,,10673~2568208,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 I would have thought he would have joined someone a little bit more established than Yeovil (not meant to be disrespectful). I bet he will excell for them. Good luck Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Guarantee he storms it for them. Far too good a player to be in a relegation-battling Yeovil side. Bit of a coup for them I must say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Surprised didnt get much of a chance under Adkins, always thought had all the tools to go on and make a decent left back. Good luck to the lad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 I think this one will come back to haunt us, a much better left back than Harding, who Nige seems to thinks can do no wrong and younger as well IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 I think this one will come back to haunt us, a much better left back than Harding, who Nige seems to thinks can do no wrong and younger as well IMO. Harding isn't the first choice left back, Fox is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Harding isn't the first choice left back, Fox is. He never said otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 He never said otherwise. He said "Harding, who Nige seems to thinks can do no wrong". If he can "do no wrong" then he wouldn't be second choice left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 He said "Harding, who Nige seems to thinks can do no wrong". If he can "do no wrong" then he wouldn't be second choice left back. You are such a bore. It was really obvious what he meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 6 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 6 January, 2012 I'd have Dickson over Harding every time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 I would have liked something a bit more permanent that that. Couldn't we have just sold him back to Brentford for what we bought him for. Anyway, good luck to the lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Mad how good he was for us in the 2nd half of last season and never got a look in come the start of the NPC season. Spose if you spend all that money on Fox you are likely to use him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Wiki says every 20 apps, old club get 25k up to 40 apps. Think Fox is better but could've given Harding a run maybe for that 2nd spot. Who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 6 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Think someone said on here last week or something that he's played 29 games for us, and the next payment is on 30 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Wiki says every 20 apps, old club get 25k up to 40 apps. It is every 10 appearances Saints have to pay £25k, upto 40 appearances. Also Saints have already paid £25k to Brentford due to promotion and there is a 20% sell on clause. http://www.brentfordfc.co.uk/page/LatestNews/0,,10421~2108883,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 It is every 10 appearances Saints have to pay £25k, upto 40 appearances. Also Saints have already paid £25k to Brentford due to promotion and there is a 20% sell on clause. http://www.brentfordfc.co.uk/page/LatestNews/0,,10421~2108883,00.html Compared to the deal we got from the Gobern tribunal hearing we got off extremely lightly on Dickson. No doubt there would be something payable for games played if we loan him out as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Think someone said on here last week or something that he's played 29 games for us, and the next payment is on 30 games. £25k is a pretty small figure given that he's probably earned that in 3 or 4 weeks whilst not even making the bench... I really like Dickson and would prefer him to be the back-up LB than cast out. Thought he gave a very good account of himself during last season's run-in. Yeah, League One opposition blah blah... Still, don't feel he's had a fair crack at it this season but looks like his fate may be sealed regardless. Great lad too, if that still counts for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Out 1 In 0. I knew departures would be ahead of arrivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 I'd have got rid of Harding and kept Dickson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Reigned Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Hope it goes well for him down there; as someone mentioned above I did think he might go to a more stronger club than Yeovil given that he played well in a team that got promoted from the same division last season. Plus I'll always remember the crucial second he got against Plymouth which effectively sealed our promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Mad how good he was for us in the 2nd half of last season and never got a look in come the start of the NPC season. Spose if you spend all that money on Fox you are likely to use him! He never even really got a look in before Fox arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Out 1 In 0. I knew departures would be ahead of arrivals. No sense of urgency at SMS. I contrast our laxidasical approach to the transfer market with Norwich City who are decisive and act fast. Norwich se3m to have all the paperwork done before the transfer window and it appears a strategy that works very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 (edited) No sense of urgency at SMS. I contrast our laxidasical approach to the transfer market with Norwich City who are decisive and act fast. Norwich se3m to have all the paperwork done before the transfer window and it appears a strategy that works very well. Saints currently have 4 more points than Norwich did after 25 games last season. Your logic is flawed. You certainly have been posting a lot of baiting posts in quick succession this evening. Edited 6 January, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Saints currently have 4 more points than Norwich did after 25 games last season. Your logic is flawed. You certainly have been posting a lot of baiting posts in quick succession this evening. But look where Norwich finished and look where they are now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 (edited) But look where Norwich finished and look where they are now ? You've lost me. You are saying Saints should follow Norwich's example, but Saints in 2011/12 have done better in the first 25 games than Norwich did in the first 25 games of 2010/11. Maybe Paul Lambert should have used a Tardis and followed Cortese/Adkins example Edited 6 January, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Dickson is much better than Harding IMO and a better left winger than Holmes. Hope he comes back afrer a month getting match fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Dickson is much better than Harding IMO and a better left winger than Holmes. Hope he comes back afrer a month getting match fit. I know football is all about opinions but I can't actually believe you are serious. The problem with Dickson frankly was that he wasn't a good enough defender to be played at left-back and was woefully lacking in the skills required to be a left-winger. We are indeed still waiting for him to construct a decent cross after 29 games! When this became apparent from his early days at SMS, what shocked me was that he was picked again and again and every time was found wanting. It was difficult to see that he could have been the same player that had apparently been the best left back in the division whilst at Brentford. I hope he does well at Yeovil because it seems the bottom half of league one suits him well and if he is the nice lad some seem to know he probably deserves to be somewhere where he has a chance of relative success. saints really would not miss him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 He has not played enough, or rather I have not seem him play enough for a really informed opinion, but I do remember that great tackle and cross at Leyton Orient for Rickies goal last season. What a crowd we took there too. Yeovil seem a happy club, with no debt, so lets hope he does well and helps to keep them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Out 1 In 0. I knew departures would be ahead of arrivals.Puncheon returned earlier in the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Think Yeovil have got a cracking player. I didn't see anyone go past him last season. He has just enough pace and a lot of heart to make it very difficult for a winger to go past him. Going forward he will get to the byeline and he delivers a decent cross. He's certainly not as neat and tidy as Fox, but at league 1 I doubt there will be a better fullback. Good luck to him. I really enjoy watching him play (as I do Harding) and hope he can get his form back as you never know we might need him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 No sense of urgency at SMS. I contrast our laxidasical approach to the transfer market with Norwich City who are decisive and act fast. Norwich se3m to have all the paperwork done before the transfer window and it appears a strategy that works very well. Yep. 2 of the 14 days from the Brighon match to the Forest match have gone. A certain saying that refers to arses and thumbs springs to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Yep. 2 of the 14 days from the Brighon match to the Forest match have gone. A certain saying that refers to arses and thumbs springs to mind. Shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Shut up. Erm, no. No, I wont. I feel strongly about the declining fortunes of my team. And you have no right to demand if of me. Dont like it, stick me on ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Erm, no. No, I wont. I feel strongly about the declining fortunes of my team. And you have no right to demand if of me. Dont like it, stick me on ignore. I have absoloutly no problem with people stating an opinion when they have decent stuff to back it up with. But you have always been saying this, "our manager, chairman is sat there with no urgency in terms of signing a player. They're doing nothing, they have their fingers up their arses". It's like you can see into the board room and exactly what they're doing. But you can't, so how the hell can you even come to that opinion? You can't, which is why I can't accept that. If you were in the board room and witnessed them doing nothing then you'd have a point and be able to backup your opinion, but you don't so you can't. Therefore you are speaking rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 S-Clarke has you bang to rights there Alps, it's difficult to be so high and mighty when you haven't a clue what's actually happening behind the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 S-Clarke has you bang to rights there Alps, it's difficult to be so high and mighty when you haven't a clue what's actually happening behind the scenes. No he doesnt. I dont care if anything is being done or not, I care about RESULTS. So far, they arent getting any. They are in a results business. Making loads of enquires and offers mean nothing if they dont secure the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 No he doesnt. I dont care if anything is being done or not, I care about RESULTS. So far, they arent getting any. They are in a results business. Making loads of enquires and offers mean nothing if they dont secure the players. You can't just sign a player in a day or a couple of days. We don't need much, we need specifics and clubs aren't massively keen to let you have their best players incase you didn't know. if you think that you're living in football manager land and don't understand football or how it works. That seems to be quite a reoccurring theme with your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 You can't just sign a player in a day or a couple of days. We don't need much, we need specifics and clubs aren't massively keen to let you have their best players incase you didn't know. if you think that you're living in football manager land and don't understand football or how it works. That seems to be quite a reoccurring theme with your posts. And what you spectaculary fail to recognise, and appear to deliberately ignore in my posts, is that this work doesnt necessarily magically have to start after the hangover has worn off on January 2nd. They could have done the groundwork earlier. As I said the other day, we havent got an injury in the last week or so that would have significantly changed the focus of our transfer activity, so the positions and targets should have been well known, well in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 And what you spectaculary fail to recognise, and appear to deliberately ignore in my posts, is that this work doesnt necessarily magically have to start after the hangover has worn off on January 2nd. They could have done the groundwork earlier. As I said the other day, we havent got an injury in the last week or so that would have significantly changed the focus of our transfer activity, so the positions and targets should have been well known, well in advance. I'd be very surprised if the targets weren't known or identified well in advance, very surprised. Again, you don't know that they haven't identified anyone before hand so you can't say that really.If you have evidence to say that they haven't, then fair enough. Anyway, Lee for e.g has been a target for a year. If that shows you anything it's that we plan and vet our signings very well, they're not just panic buys...I'd rather fill my squad up with players that have been heavily scouted, researched and worked on, rather than rush signings that were identified and purchased in a couple of days. If anything, taking the time and attention in identifying the right targets should help the bedding in process and all in honestly, eliminate it. I don't really think that'll be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 And what you spectaculary fail to recognise, and appear to deliberately ignore in my posts, is that this work doesnt necessarily magically have to start after the hangover has worn off on January 2nd. They could have done the groundwork earlier. As I said the other day, we havent got an injury in the last week or so that would have significantly changed the focus of our transfer activity, so the positions and targets should have been well known, well in advance. What you fail to comprehend is that this work may have been done. But like the housing market, buying a player usually relies on the selling club being able to secure a replacement before they can saction a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Stop talking about the details. ALPINE CARE ABOUT RESULTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 I'd be very surprised if the targets weren't known or identified well in advance, very surprised. Again, you don't know that they haven't identified anyone before hand so you can't say that really.If you have evidence to say that they haven't, then fair enough. Anyway, Lee for e.g has been a target for a year. If that shows you anything it's that we plan and vet our signings very well, they're not just panic buys...I'd rather fill my squad up with players that have been heavily scouted, researched and worked on, rather than rush signings that were identified and purchased in a couple of days. If anything, taking the time and attention in identifying the right targets should help the bedding in process and all in honestly, eliminate it. I don't really think that'll be an issue. If the scouting and researching has been thorough as you are demanding, whats going to change over the next couple of weeks ? This should have been done and negotiations well advanced or complete by Jan 1st. The transfer window does not forbid negotiation before it opens. And I have made that point previously too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 If the scouting and researching has been thorough as you are demanding, whats going to change over the next couple of weeks ? This should have been done and negotiations well advanced or complete by Jan 1st. The transfer window does not forbid negotiation before it opens. And I have made that point previously too. what if said selling club is reluctant to sell...afterall, we won't be after their rejects no doubt.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 What you fail to comprehend is that this work may have been done. But like the housing market, buying a player usually relies on the selling club being able to secure a replacement before they can saction a deal. Maybe very occasionally this is true, but if we have expressed an interest in a player, and the player is interested, any competent CEO of the source club would have done that work too. Sorry, I am not buying this cr*p about it takes so long it must take most of January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 what if said selling club is reluctant to sell...afterall, we won't be after their rejects no doubt.. If we enquired early enough, well before the window opens, we then have the option to move on to other targets or push harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 what if said selling club is reluctant to sell...afterall, we won't be after their rejects no doubt.. Exactly...you get it. We're not targeting rejects anymore, we're targeting first choice players that clubs don't really want to let go. and we don't want to pay over the odds, so it becomes a negotiating situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 January, 2012 Share Posted 6 January, 2012 Exactly...you get it. We're not targeting rejects anymore, we're targeting first choice players that clubs don't really want to let go. and we don't want to pay over the odds, so it becomes a negotiating situation. That must take until the last week of January due to some unwritten law. Yeah, right You still havent explained why this negotiation must continue until then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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