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Viking Warrior

Viking Warrior

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Nothing to do with the Sun article Saintandy666. Its on other news sites which is where I first heard about it. Its also mentioned on other social networks but dont let that cloud you labour red tinted galsses

anothersaintinsouthsea

anothersaintinsouthsea

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I see Millipede has entered the fray re twitter. making a tribute to bob holness and is work with Blackbusters. I thought he went to a posh school

what an idjit

 

did you mean "his" work? I'm assuming that's your spelling mistake and not his, easily done isn't it?

Saintandy666

Saintandy666

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Nothing to do with the Sun article Saintandy666. Its on other news sites which is where I first heard about it. Its also mentioned on other social networks but dont let that cloud you labour red tinted galsses

 

Every newspaper which reports it as an awful thing is ridiculous. Also, I'm not a labour supporter.

Thorpe-le-Saint

Thorpe-le-Saint

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Dave has been on good form: tweeting that sitting opposite Ed balls in the HOC is like sitting opposite someone with tourettes. Just when the ****servatives had the opportunity to take the moral high ground. British politics: rotten to the core.

um pahars

um pahars

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Dave has been on good form: tweeting that sitting opposite Ed balls in the HOC is like sitting opposite someone with tourettes. Just when the ****servatives had the opportunity to take the moral high ground. British politics: rotten to the core.

 

Wouldn't have thought he would be tweeting that as sure he doesn't partake in Twitter (hence his "too many tweets make you a tawt line")

Verbal

Verbal

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I thought he went to a posh school what an idjit

 

Hardly. His dad was the noted Marxist political scientist Ralph Miliband ('The State in Capitalist Society', if you're interested in one of his bestsellers). The Milibands all went to comprehensive schools.

dune

dune

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Dave has been on good form: tweeting that sitting opposite Ed balls in the HOC is like sitting opposite someone with tourettes.

 

I lol'd.

pap

pap

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The Diane Abbott debacle looms large on this week's Any Questions.

 

Many of the same points that are made on here. Constance Briscoe is perhaps most up-front about the issue, highlighting Abbott's past hypocrisy and stating that the only reason that Diane Abbott is still in her job is because she is black.

Gambol2K9

Gambol2K9

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Her words don't offend me, however from this and other things she has said, it's clear that when she looks at somebody she doesn't see a person, she sees a colour.

 

I find it disturbing that someone with that attitude can hold a high position in the shadow cabinet.

Saintandy666

Saintandy666

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She is on This Week next week. Andrew Neil will probably destroy her over her comments, as he often does when he lays into her with hard questioning.

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Griffo

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I find it disturbing that someone with that attitude can hold a high position in the shadow cabinet.

 

Isn't it funny how shadows are black and so is she.

alpine_saint

alpine_saint

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Her words don't offend me, however from this and other things she has said, it's clear that when she looks at somebody she doesn't see a person, she sees a colour.

 

Isnt that a text book defintion of a racist mentality ?

trousers

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Isnt that a text book defintion of a racist mentality ?

 

Only if there is an intent to cause harm (mentally or physically) behind the actual words (IMO)

Saintandy666

Saintandy666

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Only if there is an intent to cause harm (mentally or physically) behind the actual words (IMO)

 

Correct. There is racialism which is saying people of different races have different qualities and then racism which is actually saying because of different perceived qualities, then the races must be treated to different standards. One is dangerously close to the other and personally I just think we should concentrate on what unites and allow equality to stem from there. Race is irrelevant or it should be if not for a few nasty individuals.

 

Edit: having looked into this a bit more it seems there is much debate over whether the two terms are the same these days or not.

alpine_saint

alpine_saint

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Only if there is an intent to cause harm (mentally or physically) behind the actual words (IMO)

 

No, no, no. Cannot agree !!! "harm" is too restrictive a word. "treat in the slightest way differently" is much more inclusive.

alpine_saint

alpine_saint

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Correct. There is racialism which is saying people of different races have different qualities and then racism which is actually saying because of different perceived qualities, then the races must be treated to different standards. One is dangerously close to the other and personally I just think we should concentrate on what unites and allow equality to stem from there. Race is irrelevant or it should be if not for a few nasty individuals.

 

Edit: having looked into this a bit more it seems there is much debate over whether the two terms are the same these days or not.

 

If I say black blokes are better dancers and sportsmen, am I being racist or racialist ?

Saintandy666

Saintandy666

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If I say black blokes are better dancers and sportsmen, am I being racist or racialist ?

 

Racialism is more about scientific statement and evidence. Anyhow, I don't like to draw differences full stop. We are all equal and should be treated such.

 

And just for Dune, let's have another Dumbledore quote 'It matters not what you are born, but who you grow to be'

Vershinin

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No comment from the resident left-wing intelligensia ? Or just taking a while to come up with a decent excuse ?

 

Unsuprising coming from her. She's a disgrace, the chip on her shoulder is quite staggering. She is always moaning that we don't allow more black politicians in this country, yet she turns a potential candidate away. Hypocrite.

Verbal

Verbal

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No comment from the resident left-wing intelligensia ? Or just taking a while to come up with a decent excuse ?

 

We're just waiting for you to learn how to spell.

Verbal

Verbal

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Very good. Your pedantry allows you to avoid answering the substance for a little bit longer while you make up an excuse.

 

You haven't made a point of any substance.

Foxstone

Foxstone

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Still any doubts about concerning the sort of person the erstwhile Mizz Abbott is ?

 

Yes ? Read further.....

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086722/Diane-Abbott-told-Tory-voting-graduate-Jade-Knight-work-white-Conservative.html

 

Had not seen this until now...

 

She really does increasingly come across with an "anti-white" chip on her shoulder hypocrite...

 

Really hope she is chucked out at the ballot box - No more than the old bat deserves IMO..

pap

pap

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Talking about waving the white flag...

 

No point. You'd swear it was black, and suggest that there is "something wrong with people" that disagree.

 

Have to say though, it is much easier to respond to you as a troll than as a human, so thanks for that.

alpine_saint

alpine_saint

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No point. You'd swear it was black, and suggest that there is "something wrong with people" that disagree.

 

Have to say though, it is much easier to respond to you as a troll than as a human, so thanks for that.

 

Anything to avoid facing an ugly truth, eh ?

pap

pap

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I will take both of your insistences on playing the poster and not the post as being a tacit acceptance of racism under certain circumstances.

 

Do what you like, Alps.

 

Can't speak for Verbal, but from my POV, you can just take it that I'm going to dismiss everything you say until you become a lot more conciliatory in your posts.

 

I am highly amused by your whining though, so please, continue pulling people up for stuff you do in 98% of your posts. Your inane proclamations and simplistic traps provide a welcome break from sensible and well-reasoned posts.

Frank's cousin

Frank's cousin

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If I say black blokes are better dancers and sportsmen, am I being racist or racialist ?

 

NO, just reinforcing sterotypes. Good question though - The problem with making positive statements about 'races' (although we are actually all one Human race) in this way and including the 'colour' is that in principle its no different from a negative statemnet about a group which is racist - whats the difference, if differentiating a group on colour when we know its not actually true - the fact that the 100 m final in 2012 will be 8 Black men is not because they are black - but because of a variety of reasons - some will be genetic - and this is where it gets dangerous as its these princinciples that Nazi nutters based Eugenics on - a genetic advantage that is the result of environmental impact on evolution - particularly where those humans have had to survive in far harsher environmental conditions - and where there is high infant mortality - meaning there is a stronger natural selction impacting on the localised gene pool than in more affluent countries + the normal environmental survival advantages. This has nothing to do with being balck though - as we see with the quality of sportsmen and women who are white but have a multi-generational history in South Africa or even Australia etc.

 

The other main one IMHO is the same reason we so many good Russian and Eastern European Tennis players - the economic question - the drive to improve your situation - no surprise the number of top class sportsmen that have pretty humble backgrounds.

 

Re. Dianne A being racist? - not really, but she as others have pointed out, she does have a massive chip on her shoulder. Thing is when we know that there is still racism out there (and far more than most would like to believe) its probably easy to be paranoid, but her comments were not only unwise but do not help improve the situation either.

Verbal

Verbal

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NO' date=' just reinforcing sterotypes. Good question though - The problem with making positive statements about 'races' (although we are actually all one Human race) in this way and including the 'colour' is that in principle its no different from a negative statemnet about a group which is racist - whats the difference, if differentiating a group on colour when we know its not actually true - the fact that the 100 m final in 2012 will be 8 Black men is not because they are black - but because of a variety of reasons - some will be genetic - and this is where it gets dangerous as its these princinciples that Nazi nutters based Eugenics on - a genetic advantage that is the result of environmental impact on evolution - particularly where those humans have had to survive in far harsher environmental conditions - and where there is high infant mortality - meaning there is a stronger natural selction impacting on the localised gene pool than in more affluent countries + the normal environmental survival advantages. This has nothing to do with being balck though - as we see with the quality of sportsmen and women who are white but have a multi-generational history in South Africa or even Australia etc.[/quote']

 

If it were simply down to genetics and their interaction with environment, Frank, there would be streams of record-breaking 100-metre runners from Senegal and Mali, where vast numbers of North American and Caribbean blacks have ancestors. But neither country produces remotely quick runners.

 

The principal reason has to do with the decidedly non-natural selection of slavery and the slave trade.

Sergei Gotsmanov

Sergei Gotsmanov

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If it were simply down to genetics and their interaction with environment, Frank, there would be streams of record-breaking 100-metre runners from Senegal and Mali, where vast numbers of North American and Caribbean blacks have ancestors. But neither country produces remotely quick runners.

 

The principal reason has to do with the decidedly non-natural selection of slavery and the slave trade.

 

Then why do the kenyans dominate the long distance events.

buctootim

buctootim

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Then why do the kenyans dominate the long distance events.

 

Saw an intersting article about this. Its not even Kenyans in general - just a very small area of Kenya about 40 mile radius around one village, cant remember its name.

Verbal

Verbal

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Did you mean this article???????

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14679657

 

Interesting reading and certainly makes you think about how we generalise races and ethnic groups

 

As the article says:

 

The truth is rather different. There is far more genetic variation within racial groups (around 85%) than there is between racial groups (just 15%). Indeed, surface appearance is often a highly misleading way of assessing the genetic distance between populations.

 

And this is especially true of black Africans, among whom there is FAR greater genetic variation (hence the 'Out of Africa' theory) than between a black African and a white Norwegian.

alpine_saint

alpine_saint

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She's withdrawn from This Week. She was meant to come back for a one off episode. No doubt worried about being destroyed by Andrew Neil... or at least her party is.

 

More left-wing cowardice. Would have loved to see that on You Tube.

alpine_saint

alpine_saint

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Do what you like, Alps.

 

Can't speak for Verbal, but from my POV, you can just take it that I'm going to dismiss everything you say until you become a lot more conciliatory in your posts.

 

I am highly amused by your whining though, so please, continue pulling people up for stuff you do in 98% of your posts. Your inane proclamations and simplistic traps provide a welcome break from sensible and well-reasoned posts.

 

Whatever. The refusal of you two to condemn her and to deflect attention by attacking me speaks volumes about your personalities.

Saintandy666

Saintandy666

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More left-wing cowardice. Would have loved to see that on You Tube.

 

To be honest, they ripped her quite a lot last week! But would have been interesting to see how she would have coped with it if she was there... not well at all if the last few times Neil went hard on her is anything to go by. I have a feeling they might have fallen out.

 

And saying 'left-wing cowardice' just brings your point into the gutter.

Verbal

Verbal

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Whatever. The refusal of you two to condemn her and to deflect attention by attacking me speaks volumes about your personalities.

 

Dear Dimwit, please see, among others, posts 37, 41, 146, 174, 181.

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