dubai_phil Posted 11 January, 2012 Share Posted 11 January, 2012 solentsport BBC Solent Sport Puncheon 'not wanted' by Saints: Jason Puncheon's agent Tony Finnigan says the winger is not wanted by Champions... http://bbc.in/zK3n2w cheerio then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 11 January, 2012 Share Posted 11 January, 2012 A players value is what anybody would be prepared to pay for him. (Just like buying and selling houses.) Puncheon is overpriced if nobody wants to sell him and underpriced if a lot of clubs want to buy him. The idea that there somehow is the "right" or "correct" price for a player, or for that matter a house or any other commodity, belongs to fantasy land. Estate agents valuations, for instance, are based on recent sale prices for similar houses. So if we could think of somebody very similar to Puncheon (poor and unwilling passer of the ball who repeatedly runs into trouble, as I remember him) and find out what they sold for, then we might be in the right area. Think of the clamour on here to sell Pulis. How can you sell somebody which nobody wants to buy. Hence we have still got Forecast. If I was a manager in the two top divisions I wouldn't even sign him on a free. Not that I am, and thank G for that, but maybe it might put things in perspective. What a good post, +1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 11 January, 2012 Share Posted 11 January, 2012 cheerio then champions??????? if we don't want him then that is hardly going to help the selling position, a real mess, sooner he goes the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 January, 2012 Share Posted 11 January, 2012 A players value is what anybody would be prepared to pay for him. (Just like buying and selling houses.) Puncheon is overpriced if nobody wants to sell him and underpriced if a lot of clubs want to buy him. The idea that there somehow is the "right" or "correct" price for a player, or for that matter a house or any other commodity, belongs to fantasy land. Estate agents valuations, for instance, are based on recent sale prices for similar houses. So if we could think of somebody very similar to Puncheon (poor and unwilling passer of the ball who repeatedly runs into trouble, as I remember him) and find out what they sold for, then we might be in the right area. Think of the clamour on here to sell Pulis. How can you sell somebody which nobody wants to buy. Hence we have still got Forecast. If I was a manager in the two top divisions I wouldn't even sign him on a free. Not that I am, and thank G for that, but maybe it might put things in perspective. More complicated than that - I think clubs are willing to pay more than they are currently offering for Punch but are trying to exploit the fact that we want rid. They're perfectly entitled to do but so are we quite justified to hold out, knowing that when push comes to shove, they might pay a bit more. Of course, it helps nobody - least of all Punch but when he has mattered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 11 January, 2012 Share Posted 11 January, 2012 We will not see him feature this weekend he is most certainly not match fit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 11 January, 2012 Share Posted 11 January, 2012 Surely the " price " is the sum that we want for JP....if he goes. Rumour says it's £1 million -- so be it. JP 's agent says....several clubs are after him, so one of them can pay the price ..if they want to. The agent (Finnigan) has gone out saying that Ian Holloway is a personal friend of his...SO WHAT ? Does that mean that he expects a 35% discount if Blackpool buy him? Blackpool (and others) should realise the price is..the price. If you want the player ...pay up ... or shut up ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 11 January, 2012 Share Posted 11 January, 2012 Surely the " price " is the sum that we want for JP....if he goes. Rumour says it's £1 million -- so be it. JP 's agent says....several clubs are after him, so one of them can pay the price ..if they want to. The agent (Finnigan) has gone out saying that Ian Holloway is a personal friend of his...SO WHAT ? Does that mean that he expects a 35% discount if Blackpool buy him? Blackpool (and others) should realise the price is..the price. If you want the player ...pay up ... or shut up ! I wonder if other clubs adopt that attitude when we want to buy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 11 January, 2012 Share Posted 11 January, 2012 (edited) I wonder if other clubs adopt that attitude when we want to buy! of course they do ...it's part of the transfer scenario. Trying to push up the price by "suggesting " that other bids are in the offing, but more often it's the agent's promoting the story... by leaking details to " sleazy journalistic types who want a headline ". However, buying a player (or a house, or a car for that matter) is an auction at best, and a "rip-off " at worst. Edited 11 January, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 11 January, 2012 Share Posted 11 January, 2012 of course they do ...it's part of the transfer scenario. Trying to push up the price by "suggesting " that other bids are in the offing, but more often it's the agent's promoting the story... by leaking details to " sleazy journalistis types who want a headline ". No I meant more us bidding and them setting a fixed price and not budging on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorski Posted 11 January, 2012 Share Posted 11 January, 2012 http://www.leeds.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=268775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 11 January, 2012 Share Posted 11 January, 2012 Can't blame them, can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 11 January, 2012 Share Posted 11 January, 2012 More complicated than that - I think clubs are willing to pay more than they are currently offering for Punch but are trying to exploit the fact that we want rid. They're perfectly entitled to do but so are we quite justified to hold out, knowing that when push comes to shove, they might pay a bit more. Of course, it helps nobody - least of all Punch but when he has mattered. Of course we are wheeling and dealing to get the best price we can (and risk not getting him sold) as well as the buyers offering as little as they can (and risk not being able to buy him). But in the end of the day the price that somebody is prepared to pay for him is his price. I suppose that at this time we must reasonably be very keen to sell, so the buyers know they can drag it out in the hope we'll reduce the price. Etc. etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatvianTolix Posted 11 January, 2012 Share Posted 11 January, 2012 Read an article from Leeds Utd Ken Bates. Now I fooly understand why everyone hates Puncheon. What a dirty personality - real wancker - The Story - Speaking on Yorkshire Radio today, Bates said, "There is one player (Jason Puncheon) who agreed to join us in August at 7.30 on deadline day, and we were waiting for him to sign the papers by fax. I am sitting watching Sky Sports News and see him walking into another clubs ground at 11pm that night to sign for them. "It hasn`t worked out and we had his club back on the phone yesterday asking if we wanted to take him this time. We told them they could stick him up your jumper. The way he behaved towards Leeds United in August, he is not the sort of person we want at Elland Road." Puncheon returned to Southampton this month after making just two substitute appearances for Rangers in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 Add on top 'wasted' wages and that £650k seems very fair. If we were playing him, or even having him warm the bench, his wages wouldn't be a concern and we could hold out for more. But we're paying him to train with kids - kids who are above him in the pecking order - which is a waste. Even on a modest wage, it wouldn't take long to eat into the difference between £650k and £1m. Not to mention harmony at the club, which has to be considered. What often gets overlooked is that when a player under contract is sold (not sure about loaned TBF), the selling club has to pay the full contract wages, so if JP is sold we still have to pay the rest of his wages for the contract period. So just maybe outstanding contract wages, agent commission, other unknowns (maybe we agreed to pay relocation fees, compensating for wife/partner's job, etc. etc.) means the "supposed" £650K is not even breakeven for us??? Players contracts are a minefield and we simply don't know the details - don't forget AP signed him and at the time he was in demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 he tweeted yesterday Don't no why Ken bates is talking **** never agreed to join Leeds...neither did my agent phone them now regarding me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 solentsport BBC Solent Sport NA also said Jason Puncheon won't go out on loan again, but was for sale on a permanent deal #Saintsfc byee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 No one will pay our silly £1m asking price for him so he will still be here in Feb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 No one will pay our silly £1m asking price for him so he will still be here in Feb. I reckon we will end up agreeing a figure closer to 800k with something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 byee Jeez, what did we do before Twitter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 Jeez, what did we do before Twitter? More of a life before we all got addicted to instant media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 12 January, 2012 Share Posted 12 January, 2012 Simon Peach just reported on Twitter that we've had loan offers for him, but that NA is holding out for a permanent deal. Quotes from NA too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Nigel has said on Twitter that he wants rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Nigel has said on Twitter that he wants rid of him. haha...You really think Nigel Adkins would be on Twitter? It's a parody account and it even says that in his Bio, pretty funny though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Puncheon? Was never as bad as some on here make out, proved when he went on to DAdecentJF Millwall and Blackpool. Clearly good enough to play for us but I'm not sure that second chances are the NC/NA way of doing things? I'd have him back now for the rest of the season but not sure the powers that be will see it that way; once a bad apple, always a bad apple etc. I don't think he'll play - at the end of the day he's a talent but no-one really wants him as he is far from a team player. Disruptive apparently. I'm sure we can do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 I reckon puncheon is key to the hooper deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 I reckon puncheon is key to the hooper deal. then it will come to a less than satisfactory end.I really hope we're not trying to offload Puncheon as a condition of every deal because by those standards I'll be playing for Saints soon because no club will wear that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Whats odd to me re: Blackpool is that apparently they bidded 750k for Jamie Vardy of Fleetwood Town. They have that money for him.. but only bidded 650k for Punch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 January, 2012 Share Posted 13 January, 2012 Whats odd to me re: Blackpool is that apparently they bidded 750k for Jamie Vardy of Fleetwood Town. They have that money for him.. but only bidded 650k for Punch? look, NA said that as far as he knew we have not, repeat not, received any bids for the permanent transfer of Jason Puncheon, so who do you want to believe Nigel or Tony Finnegan?? Finnegan is an agent, he'll do or say whatever he thinks is best for his client. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Crystal Palace make enquiry about Jason Puncheon according to SSN. Club should tell them £500k and be done with it IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 We'll give you Punch as part of a deal for Clyne, thank you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanW Posted 18 January, 2012 Share Posted 18 January, 2012 Or Zaha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 'Palace want puncheon' just reported on sky sports news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Or Zaha!every day of the week. never gone happen though, he's Premiership bound. Actually if we get promoted he would be first on my list. Now that's going to be some HCDAJFU thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Although he's an arrogant **** we shouldn't be selling a player of Puncheons latent ability for anything less than $1M and a sell on clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Although he's an arrogant **** we shouldn't be selling a player of Puncheons latent ability for anything less than $1M and a sell on clause. definition of the market place...where supply meets demand.If there's no demand for the player at 1 million £ then supplying him at that price will fail.Depends if we want him out on loan again and have to restart the processus in May.For Puncheon it is a no brainer, the first club that makes a definite offer at 500K or over should be allowed to sign him immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/7442118/Hammers-fail-with-Puncheon-bid (+ Other teams still interested) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stattmeister Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 It's a good point - is it not better to leave him in the reserves rather than potentially "strengthen" a rival? Unless he gets a Bolton-esque cal; (a la Blackpool) last yr, I'd sit tight on him 'til Summer I think as he won't drop a league. I suppose the flip side is that is that if in the CCC he may well damage other teams' promotion credentials... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Why on earth did West Ham think we'd loan them anyone?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Agree that he shouldn't go anywhere near any of our promotion rivals. That said, if he helped West Ham beat our mutual rivals (Middlesbrough, Reading, Cardiff, Palarse, etc) then I suppose that might actually work in our favour... Hmmm, not sure what I think now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Would much rather keep him than help West Ham in their promotion bid. An inform Jason Puncheon showed what he can do at this level for Millwall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Why on earth did West Ham think we'd loan them anyone??Exactly what I said to my WHU mates ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Clutching at straws somewhat but maybe we're fending off bids from Championship rivals because Adkins and Cortese have got a 'cash + player' bid lined up for Hooper...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 ^ doubt it. Fending off bids from rivals as don't want to strengthen them. But if that is the case then surely would be good enough for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 I could see Puncheon being a big success at Celtic, that's where I'd be sending him - keep him away from any Championship sides we haven't played twice yet (or put it in the contract that he can't play against us in the season when we sell him, it's been done before). Bottom half Prem takers seem limited at best, he won't sign for a lower league team. Celtic could work, if we're really in for Hooper (who I'm not sure is worth near £6m based on his previous record, but at least Adkins knows his ability and temperament). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 Would much rather keep him than help West Ham in their promotion bid. An inform Jason Puncheon showed what he can do at this level for Millwall. This. And fwiw, he'll only ever be "in form" when he thinks it suits him. (imho of course....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 There doesn't seem to be any structure to West Hams activity what so ever. Incredibly similar to Leicester in the summer, try to sign anyone with 2 feet who can kick a ball. At least we actually have targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 19 January, 2012 Share Posted 19 January, 2012 The club has stated that they will not allow him to go out on loan again. If he goes anywhere it will have to be permanent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 21 January, 2012 Share Posted 21 January, 2012 Jason Puncheon @jasonpunch Nicola is some Lil hater KMT May not be talking about Cortese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartarus112 Posted 21 January, 2012 Share Posted 21 January, 2012 Jason Puncheon @jasonpunch Nicola is some Lil hater KMT May not be talking about Cortese I hope he is just to see what Cortese does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 21 January, 2012 Share Posted 21 January, 2012 Could be related to that crap big brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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