Wade Garrett Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 well, if anyone actually needed it spelled out to them that we need another good striker....then it is even more obvious now......that was a very bad result with the amount of players brighton had out.......pish poor im afraid and probably the worst result since brenford at home IMO Agree with that, but I think we need to reinforce the midfield as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Well this has been coming hasn't it ? Have to say, as bad as it sounds, I'm kind of glad we got spanked today. We've buggered up what should have been an easy home game and very winnable away game and it would have been all too easy for us to say Lambert got sent off and that was the reason. We have been crap recently and if we just lost 1-0 we would have brushed over it. Thank god we have some time off now as we desperately need some time to sort things out and get some players in. Cover for Lambert is so crucial now, without him we really struggle especially seeing as Lallana is struggling big time at the moment. I'm not sure our formation is right now, not convinced you can play Guly and Lallana in the same team, think we have to carry them both a little bit Meh, still top, albeit not by much. If we had any kind of good form over the last few games we'd be so clear of top. ****ed off right now but a good January and it'll be fine. Wouldve taken our position going into the window that is for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 A cheating foreign c... Managed by Poyet got Lambert sent off. End of. I think you'll find that's rather a simplistic view. It might have contributed, but we should have been more professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 We have not been playing well since late November - basically since Chaplow was injured. Nigel Adkins has not shown himself really capable of responding to the fall away in form. Today we failed a big test. The next few weeks will be critical - can NA deliver the goods?? I agree with all of this and I'm now really concerned because a bad run of form that started at the end of November is becoming more than "a wobble". People keep talking about new signings as though they're some kind of panacea but they won't make much difference unless we start getting performance again from the current squad. That would be exactly the same players who delivered with such style up until late November. Yes, we really miss what Chaplow brings and we haven't been the same since his injury, but it worries me greatly that there might be something wrong back there. It all went pear-shaped so quickly and we now seem to have lost our way tactically. As far as I could see, we started to day without any real width when we should have been stretching an inexperienced side. I'm one of the most positive on here but I don't feel that way tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Right midfielder and a striker are a must before the Forest game imo. Not really sure about this Lee player, bit risky and the J League is a **** poor league. Puncheon has to be an option in my opinion, wouldn't be surprised if he plays against Coventry (I assume he is back for then?) Mate text me saying Davis was at fault for the first goal, I personally felt he was at fault for the Bristol City goal on Friday too. Made a mess of the first shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Get new players in NA and please don't wait until the last minute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmore Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 oh. dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 This could be the kick up the arse that evrybody needs - NC and NA will find that result as unacceptable as the fans do, and that might well signal a player strengthening PDQ... As for all the doom-mongers - Look at where we were 12 months ago, look at the table today and get some perspective If you look at the table today and compare it with the table in Mid-November you might be able to see why some people have been warning about complacency. What matters is not the table today but the table in May and unless the rot is stopped we won't even make the play-offs. Anyone who thinks that is doom-mongering, just apply the points per game average over then last 8 games to the remaininmg 21 games still to play and see how many points that gives us at the end of the season. It can be turned round, but not by doing nothing. We need fresh blood, probably about five new players, to make promotion as certain as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLOTH EARS Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Saints loss of form now has to be a concern to all of us. As people above pointed out we need to have additions in asap, especially with the loss of Lambert for a few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrimd Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Transfer window open as our form gets a hammering. I am hoping that is perfect timing. If it had been a month later we really would have been in real trouble. I think NA has been fantastic for saints since coming in, but I think his tenure will be defined in the next 4 weeks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Get some quality in during the week, use cup game as test bed, if players can't be bought before then, give some of the youth a chance, resting senior strikers. Give De Ridder and Jonno quick a run out as subs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Right midfielder and a striker are a must before the Forest game imo. Not really sure about this Lee player, bit risky and the J League is a **** poor league. Puncheon has to be an option in my opinion, wouldn't be surprised if he plays against Coventry (I assume he is back for then?) Mate text me saying Davis was at fault for the first goal, I personally felt he was at fault for the Bristol City goal on Friday too. Made a mess of the first shot. I think we need to stop dreaming about Puncheon, if he'd been going to play for Saints ever again he would have been on the bench today at least.In fact with Connolly (who I think is totally finished) starting if Puncheon had been considered he would have started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Let's play spot the positives... Boro and West Ham should be about 6/9 points clear of us - they must be kicking themselves. Instead we have Cardiff coming up, but they have the Carling Cup to mess up their season, and we now have a short break to brush ourselves down and rebuild, plus we have the whole of the transfer window..... Keep the faith, tis easy to be a fan when things are all rosy, time for us to stand up now. Could be better but could be MUCH worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 From what I can tell in the first half it was only a matter of time until we scored. In fact we did but the Ref didn't give it. Then the red card changed the game. What is disappointing is then conceding 3 goals in 30mins. That isn't acceptable even when you have 10 men. We should have been better organised to deal with the situation. We now have Guly injured along with Chaplow, Fonte, Jaidi, Barnard, and De Ridder (who I assume is injured). The lack of options today harmed us and it is definitely time to get a few new faces in who must be familiar with what is required and can hit the ground running. Remarkably, we're still top after one win in six. A nice 2 week break from the league now and I expect the reserves to play next week. Our form is a concern but it is not unexpected. The big picture still looks very positive and I hope this place doesn't become a hive of negativity. Be concerned about our form but do not treat it like the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigShadow Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Will await the video of RL sending off with interest - but going to 10 men is no excuse for losing 3-0 to a depleted Brighton side. This loss of form needs to be addressed now because it will start to affect confidence, if it hasn't already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Get some quality in during the week, use cup game as test bed, if players can't be bought before then, give some of the youth a chance, resting senior strikers. Give De Ridder and Jonno quick a run out as subs. I shall throw some oofle dust about and wave my magic wand and get some quality within a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Just on the way back - D'Urso change the game completely and should be sacked. Awful, awful human being. Connelly was pants. Was never a 3-0 score line and D'Urso can sleep well knowing he has cost us the chance of winning. ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 I think his hands are tied by the lack of options. He turns around and has a bench with Forte on it, and a young kid in Reeves. We need some new additions before we can do anymore. It doesn't help that with the injuries and suspensions, players like Cork and Lallana are going through their bad patches. Reading what you've posted reminds of how when we faced relegation, Rupert made it pretty obvious the squad had to relie on the Academy players, infering they were capable enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Let's play spot the positives... Boro and West Ham should be about 6/9 points clear of us - they must be kicking themselves. Instead we have Cardiff coming up, but they have the Carling Cup to mess up their season, and we now have a short break to brush ourselves down and rebuild, plus we have the whole of the transfer window..... Keep the faith, tis easy to be a fan when things are all rosy, time for us to stand up now. Could be better but could be MUCH worse. There are no positives. Our bubble burst over a month ago. We need to spend and replace Guly otherwise we won't even stay in the top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 We've blown it big time. Our best chance of getting into the PL went up in smoke today after weeks of growing doubt. It will be years before we get such a chance again, and maybe we will have less supportive owners long before then. You can all moan as much as you like at Poyet's tactics, but he did us like a kipper today. We all knew it would happen, and our team still fell for it. Today exposed just how weak a team we are once you scratch under the surface of the fit first XI. I dont see a way back from this. I am even wondering if big dips into the transfer market will rescue this season now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 there are no positives. Our bubble burst over a month ago. We need to spend and replace guly otherwise we won't even stay in the top 6. wum............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 We've blown it big time. Our best chance of getting into the PL went up in smoke today after weeks of growing doubt. It will be years before we get such a chance again, and maybe we will have less supportive owners long before then. You can all moan as much as you like at Poyet's tactics, but he did us like a kipper today. We all knew it would happen, and our team still fell for it. Today exposed just how weak a team we are once you scratch under the surface of the fit first XI. I dont see a way back from this. I am even wondering if big dips into the transfer market will rescue this season now. I think saying we've blown it is typically OTT from you, but we need to make sure we rescue it before it's too late. Luckily we're amazingly, some how, still top. We have a window now to add to the squad and plenty of games left. Our away form needs to improve though, it's a joke. I agree that it's a great chance, and what with football and how it plays we may never get a better chance. We haven't blown it yet, but we're not making it easier for ourselves that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 On the negative side this has been brewing for a while with performances and results showing a very worrying slide. We've been threadbare as a squad, at times devoid of ideas and seemed to be running out of steam. On the positive side we're ahead of where I thought we would be this season and are still top of the division. Just hard to take that it seems to be somewhat slipping away from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhepworth7 Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Look, it is not that difficult to see why we are where we are. We were playing great football at the beginning of the season with a fully fit first team. Now that a few have got injured, we are playing very poorly because the back-ups are not very good. We might have been lucky and got through the season with no injuries but we were not lucky. The poor performances have affected confidence and we are currently on a steep downwards slope. We might pick up, we might not. What gets my goat are the calls for us to buy more players. With what? Very few people know how much money we have available. It might be nothing. We do not want to be in the position (again) of spending more than we can afford. If we have a good first team supported by poor squad players and we get injuries and suspensions, we take the consequences.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Can't blame the ref Lambert was stupid and it was a definite red. We seriously need investment up front. We lack any pace whatsoever when attacking. Our CM's never look like scoring and maybe we need a goal scoring CM. To lose to a struggling team with half its first team out is franky embarrassing. Its gonna be a long drive home from the Nancy stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 We have now used up our 9 lives. Teams will have looked at how Bristol City stopped and beat us and will apply that process. We have even confirmed why we have lost on our own website. Time to change how the team plays. Our strategy is known by all and is no longer a winning one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulstersaint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Dave Merrrington is a good reader of the game and many times this season has lamented our lack of width and insistence of playing through the middle. And today v 10 men DM made the point that we should have played 4 across midfield to keep Brighton at bay and one (not 2) up front - we didn't and suffered the consequence of conceding more goals. Makes sense to me and proves that a big bit of the game is getting tactics right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 I think we need to stop dreaming about Puncheon, if he'd been going to play for Saints ever again he would have been on the bench today at least.In fact with Connolly (who I think is totally finished) starting if Puncheon had been considered he would have started. Puncheon's loan deal doesn't end until tomorrow, as of today he is still a QPR player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Glad I've got more important things to worry about over the coming months because this collapse is a bit hard to watch isn't it? But hey lads, we were promoted from the division below last season and sit top at the start of the following calender year. Adkins can turn this run round. COYS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Look, it is not that difficult to see why we are where we are. We were playing great football at the beginning of the season with a fully fit first team. Now that a few have got injured, we are playing very poorly because the back-ups are not very good. We might have been lucky and got through the season with no injuries but we were not lucky. The poor performances have affected confidence and we are currently on a steep downwards slope. We might pick up, we might not. What gets my goat are the calls for us to buy more players. With what? Very few people know how much money we have available. It might be nothing. We do not want to be in the position (again) of spending more than we can afford. If we have a good first team supported by poor squad players and we get injuries and suspensions, we take the consequences.... Fine. That is how we started in August and your analysis is one of the best I have read. If we accept that you are right, which I think you are, in the cold light of the day why are some people so surprised by our dip in form ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 We've blown it big time. Our best chance of getting into the PL went up in smoke today Agree with the rest of your post but blown it big time? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Transfer window open as our form gets a hammering. I am hoping that is perfect timing. If it had been a month later we really would have been in real trouble. I think NA has been fantastic for saints since coming in, but I think his tenure will be defined in the next 4 weeks! I think you are right - we have been well and truly sussed by every side we meet now and Adkins' worth as a manager will be proven in the next few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Sounds like a couple of additions are likely before the Forest game according to Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 2 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 2 January, 2012 I think our actions in the transfer market, will spell out our managments ambition for promotion. If its not very fruitful or just plain slow to react, we either have lost the will to go straight up or we dont have/ dont want to spend the money!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Halo* Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Ok, I'm hearing from a friend that the analysts on sky sports centre (watching match footage) are saying that El Abd was holding Lambert back on the floor, so he couldn't get up. Lambert (so they say) was just trying to shake himself free, and El Abd put in an oscar winning reaction. (Not Adam El Abd, surely! He wouldn't do a thing like that, would he?) So, fingers crossed, Rickies Red could be overturned on appeal. Also, apparently Lallana's shot was over the goal line too. All just what I heard from a friend, and passing it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jampot Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Listeing to the NA interview he seemed very keen to stress LOAN players coming in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Top of the league in January! Premier League beckons. COYS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 With the FA Cup tie coming up, there's a chance for us all to take stock. Hopefully Nigel will look at a few of the fringe players as well. Why is it that everyone else's youngsters can make debuts and earn MoM awards and ours don't seem to progress beyond a 5-minute cameo? It was tough on Ben Reeves today, but perhaps he should get a start on Saturday. Also, whatever happened to Ryan Doble? Couple of loans and an injury, but he seemed to be making progress earlier in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Look, it is not that difficult to see why we are where we are. We were playing great football at the beginning of the season with a fully fit first team. Now that a few have got injured, we are playing very poorly because the back-ups are not very good. We might have been lucky and got through the season with no injuries but we were not lucky. The poor performances have affected confidence and we are currently on a steep downwards slope. We might pick up, we might not. What gets my goat are the calls for us to buy more players. With what? Very few people know how much money we have available. It might be nothing. We do not want to be in the position (again) of spending more than we can afford. If we have a good first team supported by poor squad players and we get injuries and suspensions, we take the consequences.... Last 2 defeats have no doubt been down to keeper error,without Jose sweeping and watching a little spill makes all the difference.So it's not really about the "first XI" and the rest,not for these 2 games anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 All this crap about changing tactics is not what we need. In games where we have not won it's because the players did not show the quality needed to support the tactics. Some have been below par recently e.g Lallana.. Will Arsenal ever change their style. NO I say.. They have quality players that support it. We have occasional quality players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Look, it is not that difficult to see why we are where we are. We were playing great football at the beginning of the season with a fully fit first team. Now that a few have got injured, we are playing very poorly because the back-ups are not very good. We might have been lucky and got through the season with no injuries but we were not lucky. The poor performances have affected confidence and we are currently on a steep downwards slope. We might pick up, we might not. What gets my goat are the calls for us to buy more players. With what? Very few people know how much money we have available. It might be nothing. We do not want to be in the position (again) of spending more than we can afford. If we have a good first team supported by poor squad players and we get injuries and suspensions, we take the consequences.... Far too sensible for this place mate, you have to carry razor blades to fit in on here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Problem is, is that we are so reliant on Lambert that missing him for 3 games will impact even more on our points total. We all know what Brighton are like. We have known it since the mid week home game last season. Ref may have been shocking, but you know what you are going to get with him. We need to start scoring ASAP. At Donny without Lambert we were shocking, really bad...................that does not bode well im afraid. It sounded like we had no width today after Lambert went off. Not sure why Butterfield is not getting a chance there?? We need to sign 2 players NOW & even go against Adkins mantra of improving what we already have & sign a couple of loans. The squad needs some new faces. FWIW - the turning point of the season was Chaplow's leg giving on a very wet Brizzle pitch. We have had some terrible referee's since then which has not helped, but Guly & Cork missing open goals is not the ref's fault. I feel really down about today. Earlier in the season we were the fittest around. The amount of games & very thin squad has shown that that level can not simply be maintained. Teams play 4-5-1 against us & simply dont give us any space. Thats where some serious pace (AOC anyone) would be really helpful. I am worried i have to admit. Its question time for Adkins..............I am confident he can change things round!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Far too sensible for this place mate, you have to carry razor blades to fit in on here... I agree with you, we are not staring down the barrel of relegation ffs ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jampot Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Seems to fit in with loan deals as NA was saying.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Its far too early to say we have "blown it", but it is natural to feel disappointment after such a tremendous run of results. I feel this has been coming for a few weeks now and the intensity & confidence within the squad has dropped for some reason. Yes there is a need for a few signings as the depth in the squad is not what it needs to be, but it is also about getting everyone playing to the levels of a few months ago. There is very little between the sides in the Championship and anyone can beat each other on a given day, so its all about getting that small percentage back and hopefully things will not be as bad in 2012 as they have started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 We've blown it big time. Our best chance of getting into the PL went up in smoke today after weeks of growing doubt. It will be years before we get such a chance again, and maybe we will have less supportive owners long before then. You can all moan as much as you like at Poyet's tactics, but he did us like a kipper today. We all knew it would happen, and our team still fell for it. Today exposed just how weak a team we are once you scratch under the surface of the fit first XI. I dont see a way back from this. I am even wondering if big dips into the transfer market will rescue this season now. Are you sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ben Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Listeing to the NA interview he seemed very keen to stress LOAN players coming in... i can understand the loans idea, but they have to be quality and better than what we have. my worry is width. brighton were all over us in second half. would love to see a pacy right midfielder and a striker with a good goal ratio as am worried we dont score enough goals without lambo. i am not so sure regarding the guy from japan, personally i'd rather see someone from the premierleague if poss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 As I said this morning, I had a bad feeling about this one. Maybe not this bad, but bad. Maybe Lambert's showing his frustrations at not being allowed a move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 As I said this morning, I had a bad feeling about this one. Maybe not this bad, but bad. Maybe Lambert's showing his frustrations at not being allowed a move? come on....seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 @Ryandickson23: Don't think I can comment and say what I think changed the game! Boys ran them selfs into the ground And should feel extremely hard done by Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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