Andy D'urso - fit to be a ref?

[Tom8558]

Seriously, that's 180 minutes of football he's refereed and it seems he's got an aweful lot of decision wrong. Especially for the championship, is he actually good enough to be a referee?

[S-Clarke]

Probably not, he's never been a great ref'. But it's not because of him we lost, it's because we're **** at the moment.

[Micky]

How do you know - were you closer to the incidents he got wrong?

[Saint Without a Halo]

No he is not

[Crab Lungs]

Probably not, and he might have cost us this game but it's more down to us than anyone else. We should suck it up and go again.

[Crazy Diamond]

He's a joke. Poor referee who's been given a game that involves Poyet, makes it ten times worse.

[RobM]

It's very 'Brighton' to start blaming the Ref' for our poor performance.

[Tom8558]

It's very 'Brighton' to start blaming the Ref' for our poor performance.

 

There's a difference between blaming the ref everytime you lose and generally asking yourself if the ref affected the game. Before Lambert got sent off, Saints were on top.

[Leicestersaint]

D'Urso is a dreadful referee however we lost 3 -0!

[yamms_schmitz]

We are crap and have been since the Bristol away game. Don't blame the ref. Amazing how we are still top of the league. We can still win it, despite a really poor run. Come on saints.

[Born In The 80s]

There's a difference between blaming the ref everytime you lose and generally asking yourself if the ref affected the game. Before Lambert got sent off, Saints were on top.

 

Bull****. Lambert affected the game by raising his hands. Whether the action merited the reaction of the Brighton player or not, you cannot raise your hands to anyone on a football pitch. We are down to the bare bones as it is without one of our key players getting involved in petty meaningless squabbles. We all know what Brighton are about. Their managers philosophy is to get the other teams players in trouble and Lambert especially, should be fully aware of this. He has MASSIVELY let down the team and fans today. He has got a lot of making up to do.

[beatlesaint]

Bull****. Lambert affected the game by raising his hands. Whether the action merited the reaction of the Brighton player or not, you cannot raise your hands to anyone on a football pitch. We are down to the bare bones as it is without one of our key players getting involved in petty meaningless squabbles. We all know what Brighton are about. Their managers philosophy is to get the other teams players in trouble and Lambert especially, should be fully aware of this. He has MASSIVELY let down the team and fans today. He has got a lot of making up to do.

 

before you tar and feather him have you seen the incident ? If not then wait until you have before deciding the guy whose goals got us promoted then to the top of the Championship is Public Enemy No. 1

[Pugwash]

Bull****. Lambert affected the game by raising his hands. Whether the action merited the reaction of the Brighton player or not, you cannot raise your hands to anyone on a football pitch. We are down to the bare bones as it is without one of our key players getting involved in petty meaningless squabbles. We all know what Brighton are about. Their managers philosophy is to get the other teams players in trouble and Lambert especially, should be fully aware of this. He has MASSIVELY let down the team and fans today. He has got a lot of making up to do.

 

The thread is about D'Urso's performance as a referee. Agree what Lambert did is a red-carder, no doubt born out of frustration of AGAIN being on the receiving end against the most cynical side in the Championship. However a decent referee would've known what Brighton were about and been keeping an eye out for their constant niggling pushes, holds and snide kicks and nipped things in the bud a lot earlier. D'Urso is too far up his own ar$e to notice.

[Um Bongo]

Lambert did not raise his hands.

[BallBoy]

This will now be a test of character for players, manager AND fans. It was always likely that there would be setbacks and this is as bad as it gets. That it was against Poyet makes it all the worse. However, it is crucial that fans do not turn against the players. They are human and we need to support them. Lambert especially will be feeling sick and will not need reminding that things could have been different. He has an excellent disciplinary record but got pushed over the edge today. We need him so lets get behind him.

[shirleysfc]

On the way back from the game... D'Urso was crap. We were the better team before Lambert was sent off. We should have had a pen straight after half time too.

[Pugwash]

Lambert did not raise his hands.

 

Really? If true, then yet another incompetent decision - no doubt listening to the crowd, rather than watching the game.

[shirleysfc]

Lambert did not raise his hands.

 

I thought he did, but certainly not to the cheating w*nkers face!

[Window Cleaner]

I thought he did, but certainly not to the cheating w*nkers face!

 

doesn't matter, the very act of lashing out or trying to agress an opponent will get you a red every firking time. This is what makes me laugh when people extoll the virtues of Paine,Sydenham,Paige and Mc Grath they wouldn't be on the pitch for 5 minutes because they were always pushing, shoving and tripping.Then was then,now is now.

[DJ_TOAST]

here you go, seems Sheff Weds fans feel the same.

http://www.petitiononline.com/swfc08/petition.html

[Um Bongo]

His hands went downwards.

[supersonic]

I was at the game an the Lambert red card was right infron of me. Cannot blame D'Urso for that. Lambert was a dickhead. No need at all. I'll discipline like that cost us. D'Urso was about to blow for our free kick when he turned round and saw Lambert strike El-Abd in the face. No complaints.

 

If anyone deserves to get blamed its Lambert and Cork

[shirleysfc]

I was at the game an the Lambert red card was right infron of me. Cannot blame D'Urso for that. Lambert was a dickhead. No need at all. I'll discipline like that cost us. D'Urso was about to blow for our free kick when he turned round and saw Lambert strike El-Abd in the face. No complaints.

 

If anyone deserves to get blamed its Lambert and Cork

 

He pushed him in the chest!

[supersonic]

He pushed him in the chest!

 

I'm not sure he did. He still shouldn't have reacted.

[SaintNeil90]

He pushed him in the chest!

 

El Abd held him on the floor and wouldnt let him go - he tried to wind Lambert up. As Lambert couldnt get up he used one hand and push Eld Abd in the chest. I've seen so many incidents like that before and the majority of referees would have given both players a yellow card and a talking to. Unfortunately for us, D'Urao only saw what Lambert did and being the controversial attention seeking referee he is, sent him off.

[BallBoy]

This definitely sounds like D'Urso

 

El Abd held him on the floor and wouldnt let him go - he tried to wind Lambert up. As Lambert couldnt get up he used one hand and push Eld Abd in the chest. I've seen so many incidents like that before and the majority of referees would have given both players a yellow card and a talking to. Unfortunately for us, D'Urao only saw what Lambert did and being the controversial attention seeking referee he is, sent him off.

[alpine_saint]

Probably not, he's never been a great ref'. But it's not because of him we lost, it's because we're **** at the moment.

 

This. From the sounds of the first half, we were having another "not going to score all night" game anyway.

[warsash saint]

This. From the sounds of the first half, we were having another "not going to score all night" game anyway.

 

Really??????

 

So a good goal not given & a pen not given!!!!!

[Um Bongo]

Wait until you see El Abd's reaction - That's what got him sent off. Disgraceful from another professional.

[BallBoy]

Some of uis are old enough to remember when this sort of thing NEVER happened. All the play acting and cheating makes the task of a referee impossible. I understand those born in the 80's and later seeing things a bit differently. To them it is "part of the game". Not to me though. It is just plain cheating and I hate it (even when we do it).

 

Wait until you see El Abd's reaction - That's what got him sent off. Disgraceful from another professional.

[Chin Strain]

It's very 'Brighton' to start blaming the Ref' for our poor performance.

 

It wasn't a poor performance. 11 v 11 we played them off the park. Lallana seems to have scored a goal, not given. Harding was taken out by the fullback - no booking. The central midfielder for them kicked Hammond(I think) up in the air wildly from behind - no booking. Harding wins ball cleanly - booking. Crowd reaction and pressure on weak officials means we have to sub him. Rickie clearly gets pushed when going up for a free header in front of goal at the start of the second half - no penalty, and he definitely bottled that decision.

 

The only thing I think he got right, unfortunately, was Rickie's red card, and that changed the game.

[Monk]

I heard he was awarded Brighton's MOM by John Solako (excuse spelling) off air.

[Chin Strain]

This. From the sounds of the first half, we were having another "not going to score all night" game anyway.

 

Ah, right....another one of those 'I'm the expert because I wasn't there and didn't see it' comments. FFS, you really are a tool.

[Chez]

This. From the sounds of the first half, we were having another "not going to score all night" game anyway.

didn't feel that way at all. We were playing well and it felt to me like it was just a matter of time before we scored in the second half. Sadly the red card ruined things.

[RobM]

It wasn't a poor performance. 11 v 11 we played them off the park. Lallana seems to have scored a goal, not given. Harding was taken out by the fullback - no booking. The central midfielder for them kicked Hammond(I think) up in the air wildly from behind - no booking. Harding wins ball cleanly - booking. Crowd reaction and pressure on weak officials means we have to sub him. Rickie clearly gets pushed when going up for a free header in front of goal at the start of the second half - no penalty, and he definitely bottled that decision.

 

The only thing I think he got right, unfortunately, was Rickie's red card, and that changed the game.

 

It's a 90 minute game, not a 50 minute game. For half of the game you're description is correct. The other half, it isn't and we were poor. Once we lost Lambert we didn't know what to do, players didn't know how to find each other, we imploded. For sure a crap Ref made our lives much harder, but surely that's the sort of pressure and challenges you face as a professional football team? We didn't cope, we only had a Plan A today and once that was spoilt, we were poor. Let's be honest, we've had plenty of decisions go our way which have been unfair to the opposition - a penalty against Brighton at St.Marys being a bloody good example - so we can't say we haven't experienced crap refereeing before.

[The Cat]

didn't feel that way at all. We were playing well and it felt to me like it was just a matter of time before we scored in the second half. Sadly the red card ruined things.

 

Same here. Easily the better team in the first half. My mate who supports Brighton and was at the game said the same at half time.

 

Didn't see the Lambert red card incident clearly enough to comment fully but he was definitely fouled in the box early in the second half as it happened right in front of me as I cam back up the steps.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Just back

Re Lambert’s red. I don’t mind refs who make mistakes but I do not like refs who are cowards but D’Urso falls fully into that category.

Minutes before the Lambert sending off he (D’Urso) denied him an absolute stonewall pen. It was right in front of D’Urso and the Saints fans but he chose to ignore it because he didn’t fancy the fuss. Lambert was quite rightly furious and his frustration probably made him try to shake off the Brighton def when trying to legitimately regain his feet. Also Lambert did not raise his hands as such because he was lying on the ground trying to stand up and imo was merely trying to free himself from the defender's clutches.

Also D’Urso’s treatment of Harding was scandalous. First booking was a brilliant tackle. I am still seething about him getting booked.

[Tom8558]

It's a 90 minute game, not a 50 minute game. For half of the game you're description is correct. The other half, it isn't and we were poor. Once we lost Lambert we didn't know what to do, players didn't know how to find each other, we imploded. For sure a crap Ref made our lives much harder, but surely that's the sort of pressure and challenges you face as a professional football team? We didn't cope, we only had a Plan A today and once that was spoilt, we were poor. Let's be honest, we've had plenty of decisions go our way which have been unfair to the opposition - a penalty against Brighton at St.Marys being a bloody good example - so we can't say we haven't experienced crap refereeing before.

 

But my point is why has this level of refereeing got to this level of football. Agreed we shouldn't have done as badly since we've had him ref us before but why was he even doing it in the first place. That is my point.

[Jonnyboy]

His hands went downwards.

 

ORLY? Seen the pic yet?

[rocknrollman no2]

Bull****. Lambert affected the game by raising his hands. Whether the action merited the reaction of the Brighton player or not, you cannot raise your hands to anyone on a football pitch. We are down to the bare bones as it is without one of our key players getting involved in petty meaningless squabbles. We all know what Brighton are about. Their managers philosophy is to get the other teams players in trouble and Lambert especially, should be fully aware of this. He has MASSIVELY let down the team and fans today. He has got a lot of making up to do.[/quote

Sorry but i was just metres away and saw Lambert being pulled down twice and he only tried to push the Brighton player off him,dispite being fouled and kicked without D urso doing anything.

It was never a sending off.

[The Cat]

But my point is why has this level of refereeing got to this level of football. Agreed we shouldn't have done as badly since we've had him ref us before but why was he even doing it in the first place. That is my point.

 

It's because there aren't enough refs, which in turn means the ones at the top aren't that good.

[rocknrollman no2]

Just back

Re Lambert’s red. I don’t mind refs who make mistakes but I do not like refs who are cowards but D’Urso falls fully into that category.

Minutes before the Lambert sending off he (D’Urso) denied him an absolute stonewall pen. It was right in front of D’Urso and the Saints fans but he chose to ignore it because he didn’t fancy the fuss. Lambert was quite rightly furious and his frustration probably made him try to shake off the Brighton def when trying to legitimately regain his feet. Also Lambert did not raise his hands as such because he was lying on the ground trying to stand up and imo was merely trying to free himself from the defender's clutches.

Also D’Urso’s treatment of Harding was scandalous. First booking was a brilliant tackle. I am still seething about him getting booked.

Totally agree with this.Ive had numerous vodkas since and im still fuc-ing fuming!!!!!

[Um Bongo]

ORLY? Seen the pic yet?

 

Nope. From first time, it looked like Lambert tried to get him off with a push, both went to get up the El Abd collapsed having died.

[Appy]

He never has been, never will be.

[Jonnyboy]

[Um Bongo]

Ok, Sideways then.

[saints_is_the_south]

1. I was right infront of Harding's tackle he was booked for, great challenge and won the ball firmly but fairly. Never a foul let alone a yellow card.

 

2. Couldn't see Lallana's 'goal' from our end but Adkins says he has watched it and seems it was a good couple of yards over the line. Maybe not D'Urso's fault but what the hell was his assistant doing?

 

3. Again, right infront of the push on Lambert at the start of the 2nd half, clear penalty for everyone to see but D'Urso of course.

 

4. Maybe the way Lambert reacted was wrong, but had D'Urso seen the whole episode he'd have seen the Brighton defender bundling him to the ground rugby tackle style. From the pictures it looks like Lambert has tried to push him away (admittedly in the face). Either way having not seen the whole thing, why did D'Urso not do what a decent referee would have done and at least consulted his assistant first?

 

Add to the above that 99.9% of any 50/50 decisions went the way of the home side, nothing for us. Dreadful display all round really, such a shame as we had dominated up until then and before the red card I was thinking it was just a matter of when and not if we were going to score and go on and win.

[rick1976.4.38]

hes a poor ref,harding won the ball cleanly,no way a yellow.lambert should def have had a penalty,the push was right infront of durso and us saints fans but durso was never going to give it,the man has an agenda against us.when the brighton player dived looking for a penalty,durso waved his arms to say no penalty,so why didnt he book him.at the end of the day we lost but durso has a part to play.

[shurlock]

Just back

Re Lambert’s red. I don’t mind refs who make mistakes but I do not like refs who are cowards but D’Urso falls fully into that category.

Minutes before the Lambert sending off he (D’Urso) denied him an absolute stonewall pen. It was right in front of D’Urso and the Saints fans but he chose to ignore it because he didn’t fancy the fuss. Lambert was quite rightly furious and his frustration probably made him try to shake off the Brighton def when trying to legitimately regain his feet. Also Lambert did not raise his hands as such because he was lying on the ground trying to stand up and imo was merely trying to free himself from the defender's clutches.

Also D’Urso’s treatment of Harding was scandalous. First booking was a brilliant tackle. I am still seething about him getting booked.

 

Agree.

 

I don't mind refs who occasionally get things wrong. But D'Urso is the worst kind of ref, a spineless c**t who has one eye on his own self-preservation, avoids making the truly big calls and compensates for them with OTT assertions of authority.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

Has always been a **** ref. Was it him who booked Barry Ferguson three times when we played Blackburn back in our last Prem season?

 

 

Edit - he booked Ferguson twice without sending him off

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_D'Urso

Edited 2 January, 2012 by anothersaintinsouthsea