What News on Dan Seabourne

[Viking Warrior]

Since he had his mishap and has been missing from the side . Have we missed his presence in the side like we are missing chappers. I know we have Hoosveld but what do others think

 

How is Dan recovery going has he resumed any form of training yet

[S-Clarke]

I think I heard a while back that he'd returned to some sort of training, but I'm not sure on his current state.

 

He started the season well for us, but I wouldn't say we're missing him. Hoovield is a much better player and is also left sided allowing us to play out.

 

I kind of feel sorry for Dan because he had a real shot to become a first team regular in a top championship team taken away from him, I'm not sure he's ever going to get that back again.

[Lighthouse]

Since he had his mishap and has been missing from the side . Have we missed his presence in the side like we are missing chappers. I know we have Hoosveld but what do others think

 

How is Dan recovery going has he resumed any form of training yet

 

Seriously? You're genuinely asking if Seaborne is better than Hooiveld?

 

IF we were to get promoted this season, I wouldn't keep him. He struggled against some of the better strikers out there, notably against CMS at London Road last season. In the Championship I have yet to be convinced, although he hasn't had that much chance to prove himself.

[Viking Warrior]

Lighthouse no not suggesting that he is better just asking if we missed him n the squad or side> I like Hooiveld hes been a fantastic signing for the club. Says a lot about Scottish football letting him go.

[Colbury]

Was sat up with the injured players laughing and joking vs Bristol City. He hopes to be back "soon". Source: horses mouth.

 

Love how some of or fans always mention the game last season vs Peterborough where he didn't have his best game, as "justification" that he isn't good enough. As if 1 games an indicator.

 

I'm guessing these same people weren't at some of the early away games this season where he was immense - most notably Barnsley away.

[Leicestersaint]

Will he ever play for Saints again??

[for_heaven's_Saint]

TBH he's not that great. Wish him all the best in his recovery nonetheless.

[NickG]

Jaidi said at Bristol game that was first time he had seen him since the incident - suggests not been well enough even to go to training ground or St Marys until this week.

 

If he will play again will be long long way off I would have thought.

[Lighthouse]

Was sat up with the injured players laughing and joking vs Bristol City. He hopes to be back "soon". Source: horses mouth.

 

Love how some of or fans always mention the game last season vs Peterborough where he didn't have his best game, as "justification" that he isn't good enough. As if 1 games an indicator.

 

I'm guessing these same people weren't at some of the early away games this season where he was immense - most notably Barnsley away.

 

I'm not making judgement based on one game, that was just the game that stands out in the memory. He's had a lot of good games, but quite a few when I haven't been convinced.

[CanadaSaint]

Will he ever play for Saints again??

 

Jaidi said at Bristol game that was first time he had seen him since the incident - suggests not been well enough even to go to training ground or St Marys until this week.

 

If he will play again will be long long way off I would have thought.

 

I think that's a very valid question, Leicester.

 

And I'll go farther based on Nick's comment. I can't help but wonder if he'll play professional football again. Concussion in professional athletes (especially NFL and NHL) has become a huge issue over here in the last year, following some sudden deaths and post mortems that revealed the lasting damage caused by serious (and even not so serious) head injuries. Besides the human tragedies, there are rumblings of liability for clubs who continued to play them, which is making them think very carefully before dressing players with head injuries in their history.

 

Dan clearly had a very serious injury, and the fact that he plays in a position in which frequent heading is mandatory must make his future - as a pro at least - even more doubtful.

 

I'm not even thinking about the playing side. Just on a human level I wish him nothing but the best.

[david in sweden]

Lighthouse no not suggesting that he is better just asking if we missed him n the squad or side>

I like Hooiveld hes been a fantastic signing for the club. Says a lot about Scottish football letting him go.

 

I don't think it's " Scottish football " so much as the age-old problem of a manager seeing a player's potential and knowing (how / where) to play him.

It's a problem that the No.1 player is "almost irreplaceable" and they can't get into the side.

(e.g. Wayne Bridge was always second to Ashley Cole at Chelsea, whereas he would have been first on the team sheet in most other clubs).

 

Perhaps my only criticism of Gordon Strachan was his refusal / inability to change a fixed formation and play people in other / natural positions.

 

Hooiveld has undoubted quality (as we have seen in a short time) ..so my question would be ..How come Celtic didn't see it during his time there ?

[derry]

Was sat up with the injured players laughing and joking vs Bristol City. He hopes to be back "soon". Source: horses mouth.

 

Love how some of or fans always mention the game last season vs Peterborough where he didn't have his best game, as "justification" that he isn't good enough. As if 1 games an indicator.

 

I'm guessing these same people weren't at some of the early away games this season where he was immense - most notably Barnsley away.

 

 

Seabourne was unlucky at Peterborough. Harding and Seabourne were left back to deal with CMS who is quicker than Seabourne. Seabourne was hung out to dry by Harding's abysmal positional sense and ball watching. Harding's position at least 15 yds to the left and slightly in front of Seabourne was rediculous when they were only picking up CMS. It meant that CMS was able to muscle Seabourne but Seabourne couldn't touch CMS because he was the last man. If Harding had dropped off behind Seabourne he could have taken CMS out for a yellow at the worst. He would also have forced CMS wider which was significant as Davis was beaten on his near post. Harding then ball watched again for the third goal turning his back on his man facing the corner so he couldn't see him. He was given a little nudge and his player slipped in front of him to score easily. Seabourne was unlucky with the penalty as the film made it look as though he didn't touch the player that went to ground at the same time he had his arms raised conceding non contact.

 

I don't think Seabourne has come on since he signed for us and even a full recovery would put him just in front of Martin. In my opinion we need a couple of better replacements for these two.

[James]

Would be good to have him back in the squad but there's no doubting Hooiveld is a better player.

[Avenue Saint]

good luck to him in his recovery but never really inspired the sort of confidence a central defender should inspire.

 

I am obviously grateful for the find of Hooiveld!

[Saint_clark]

He had a great start to the season, which people seem to have forgotten.

[AnthemsNotBangers]

Back in about a month.

[alpine_saint]

I think that's a very valid question, Leicester.

 

And I'll go farther based on Nick's comment. I can't help but wonder if he'll play professional football again. Concussion in professional athletes (especially NFL and NHL) has become a huge issue over here in the last year, following some sudden deaths and post mortems that revealed the lasting damage caused by serious (and even not so serious) head injuries. Besides the human tragedies, there are rumblings of liability for clubs who continued to play them, which is making them think very carefully before dressing players with head injuries in their history.

 

Dan clearly had a very serious injury, and the fact that he plays in a position in which frequent heading is mandatory must make his future - as a pro at least - even more doubtful.

 

I'm not even thinking about the playing side. Just on a human level I wish him nothing but the best.

 

Good post. I think we've seen the last of him, sadly. I cannot see how someone who sustained a life-threatening head injury will ever be able to play professional sport involving head contact again.

[Viking Warrior]

David In Sweeden

I understand the reason for Hooiveld not featuring for Celtic was down to the appointment of Neil Lennon. Hooiveld was signed by mowbury. who left soon after and speaking to a celtic supporting mate. lennon wanted his own style of defenders and saw no place for our man. There were many Celtic fans that that saw how good hoos is. but lennon is his own man . Many fans are not happy with Lennon as a manager and its only wins over their arch rivals that keep him in a job.

[O_RLY]

David In Sweeden

I understand the reason for Hooiveld not featuring for Celtic was down to the appointment of Neil Lennon. Hooiveld was signed by mowbury. who left soon after and speaking to a celtic supporting mate. lennon wanted his own style of defenders and saw no place for our man. There were many Celtic fans that that saw how good hoos is. but lennon is his own man . Many fans are not happy with Lennon as a manager and its only wins over their arch rivals that keep him in a job.

 

Although at the time we signed him their fans on the forums were jubilant and couldn't wait to see the back of him!

[david in sweden]

David In Sweeden

I understand the reason for Hooiveld not featuring for Celtic was down to the appointment of Neil Lennon. Hooiveld was signed by mowbury. who left soon after and speaking to a celtic supporting mate. lennon wanted his own style of defenders and saw no place for our man. There were many Celtic fans that that saw how good hoos is. but lennon is his own man . Many fans are not happy with Lennon as a manager and its only wins over their arch rivals that keep him in a job.

 

tnx for the update Viking Warrior...really bears out what I wrote (earlier) about Strachan's inflexability.

 

anyone who can't get the manager's favour might as well push off somewhere else. Celtic's loss was certainly our gain.

[bangkoksaint]

I kind of feel sorry for Dan because he had a real shot to become a first team regular in a top championship team taken away from him, I'm not sure he's ever going to get that back again........................... [/b]Not sure I agree with it being taken away from him. He got himself involved in something he shouldn't have done and faced the potential consequences. I don't know him and I wish him the best but when are these well paid young men going to wake up and start living the lives they should be living?

[Guan 2.0]

He was **** before, I doubt head trauma has improved his game.

[S-Clarke]

He was **** before, I doubt head trauma has improved his game.

 

What a truly horrific post. Have a look at yourself.

[Alain Perrin]

Unless I am mistaken, none of the posters on here are medically trained so most of the analysis is pseudo medical nonsense.

 

Total disclosure, neither do I, but I'd have thought it really depends on whereabouts on the skull the impact occurred.

[CanadaSaint]

Unless I am mistaken, none of the posters on here are medically trained so most of the analysis is pseudo medical nonsense.

 

Total disclosure, neither do I, but I'd have thought it really depends on whereabouts on the skull the impact occurred.

 

If that was aimed at my comment, amongst others, it wasn't "analysis" and it wasn't "pseudo medical nonsense." I was relating a sad and troubling fact and suggesting its possible relevance to the Dan Seaborne situation.

 

And if you really meant what you said on line 1 you'd have been better not to write line 2, wouldn't you?

[Alain Perrin]

If that was aimed at my comment, amongst others, it wasn't "analysis" and it wasn't "pseudo medical nonsense." I was relating a sad and troubling fact and suggesting its possible relevance to the Dan Seaborne situation.

 

And if you really meant what you said on line 1 you'd have been better not to write line 2, wouldn't you?

 

Don't be so precious. It wasn't aimed at you. Yes it's a fact that head injuries, just like any other injury, can end the career of a footballer.

 

But the fact is that none of us know the case, nor have the training to pass judgement - yet still we have comments writing him off.

 

If Dan Seabourne had been told he couldn't ever play again (by qualified doctors, i.e. not you, not me, not anyone on this board)then I severely doubt he'd be back (or looking to come back) to training again.

 

My second comment was an observation that if he'd split the front of his head open (i.e. where most headers would impact), I'd have thought that would be less career threatening than damaging say the base of the skull.

[CanadaSaint]

I wasn't being "precious" because your comment was clearly aimed at someone (if not me I'm not sure who), and I don't think anyone has written him off - just expressed valid concerns. These injuries have become a much bigger deal in other sports than they once were.

 

I think it's clear that he did a lot more than "split the front of his head open", and in that case recovery period could be very, very lengthy. Only later can the professionals make the bigger judgment, but the "When will he be back?" questions involve a significant assumption. That's all I was saying. No diagnosis in there.

[Saint Fan CaM]

I hope he makes a full recovery and can pick up his playing career. However, I do also think that if that happens it will not be playing for Southampton.

[Sheaf Saint]

Why do so many people keep repeating how immense he was at Barnsley earlier this season? I was at that game and I thought he was actually quite poor.

 

He's certainly no better than Hooiveld, so it really comes down to a question of if he is a better backup than Martin I guess, but I haven't really seen enough of either of them to make any kind of judgment.