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And fair play to the Chairman for backing the manager as well.

 

Cortese is not stupid, I recall something someone said from Nicola that when Pardew left Puncheons attitude went downhill. Adkins was Cortese first choice on the list and what he has brought to the table has backed up his position on that list so until something goes really very wrong he will back him all day long.

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Even with a change of attitude he wouldn't be what we are looking for. Am I the only one remembering watching him running with the ball straight into trouble time and time again and never producing a decent cross or dangerous pass?

 

This is exactly how i rembered him too. From what i recall there was a reason the fans got on JP's back, because he was consistently our worst player on the pitch.

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He was terrible when he played for us last season, although interestingly he was by far and away our best player on the pitch in two games - against Bolton in the carling cup, and against Blackpool in the FA cup.

 

The lad is quality - there's no doubt about it, but he's got to want to do it every game, not just the games he fancies. In a few of our league games he missed some absolute sitters, like he was deliberately missing.

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he can play but obviously either NA or the players do not want to have him alongside them when the going gets tough

 

I really get the feeling that Adkins is a very forgiving, nice-natured kind of guy so my hunch is that Puncheon somehow p*ssed off the highly-unforgiving Cortese. Or maybe, as you say, the "dressing room".

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He was terrible when he played for us last season, although interestingly he was by far and away our best player on the pitch in two games - against Bolton in the carling cup, and against Blackpool in the FA cup.

 

The lad is quality - there's no doubt about it, but he's got to want to do it every game, not just the games he fancies. In a few of our league games he missed some absolute sitters, like he was deliberately missing.

 

This is what our dinlow fans don't get. He is a creative player and a winger, by their very nature they are not consistent. What they do offer though is that ability to unlock defences and do Something a little different. If every pass they played was a defence splitting one, If every run was a mazy dribble which lead to a sublime cross onto the strikers head do you think he'd be playing in league one or the championship? He wasnt great every week but some weeks he was excellent. Is it any coincidence that JP started playing badly when the fans got on his back and this forum was full of clueless clowns demanding the signing of that world beater Michael Antonio? Creative/flair players are also confidence players and the crowd on their back for every missed placed pass doesn't help anyone. JP might have a bit of an attitude but as fans we didn't help him either. A lot of it down to people's unrealistic expectations that a League one winger should be brilliant every week.

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This is what our dinlow fans don't get. He is a creative player and a winger, by their very nature they are not consistent. What they do offer though is that ability to unlock defences and do Something a little different. If every pass they played was a defence splitting one, If every run was a mazy dribble which lead to a sublime cross onto the strikers head do you think he'd be playing in league one or the championship? He wasnt great every week but some weeks he was excellent. Is it any coincidence that JP started playing badly when the fans got on his back and this forum was full of clueless clowns demanding the signing of that world beater Michael Antonio? Creative/flair players are also confidence players and the crowd on their back for every missed placed pass doesn't help anyone. JP might have a bit of an attitude but as fans we didn't help him either. A lot of it down to people's unrealistic expectations that a League one winger should be brilliant every week.

 

As with Guly .... fans have unrealistic expectations. I mean, we should be ten points clear in the NPC by now but aren't because apparently were really **** away from home!

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As with Guly .... fans have unrealistic expectations. I mean, we should be ten points clear in the NPC by now but aren't because apparently were really **** away from home!

 

Exactly. We should be on 57 points and on course to achieve 110 points for the season, more than anyone else has ever got in the championship. If only our away form was better FFS.

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Even with a change of attitude he wouldn't be what we are looking for. Am I the only one remembering watching him running with the ball straight into trouble time and time again and never producing a decent cross or dangerous pass?

 

Oh you can rest assured that although some seem to have forgotten, what you witnessed is still etched on the memory of quite a few of us.

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I would give him another chance.

 

I can see a lot of similarities with De Ridder at the moment, in terms of their football. Both of them have/had a tendency to try and do too much with the ball which usually ends with the ball being run out or a pass that's too long/short or a cross that's too high. They both have good pace but seem to not really know how to control it. I don't see the crowd getting on De Ridder's back as much as they did with Puncheon though.

 

I just hope the same doesn't happen with Steeeeve.

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This is what our dinlow fans don't get. He is a creative player and a winger, by their very nature they are not consistent. What they do offer though is that ability to unlock defences and do Something a little different. If every pass they played was a defence splitting one, If every run was a mazy dribble which lead to a sublime cross onto the strikers head do you think he'd be playing in league one or the championship? He wasnt great every week but some weeks he was excellent. Is it any coincidence that JP started playing badly when the fans got on his back and this forum was full of clueless clowns demanding the signing of that world beater Michael Antonio? Creative/flair players are also confidence players and the crowd on their back for every missed placed pass doesn't help anyone. JP might have a bit of an attitude but as fans we didn't help him either. A lot of it down to people's unrealistic expectations that a League one winger should be brilliant every week.
absolutely spot on. Never seen the fans jump on a players back so quickly and his form went pretty quickly after that.
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This is what our dinlow fans don't get. He is a creative player and a winger, by their very nature they are not consistent. What they do offer though is that ability to unlock defences and do Something a little different. If every pass they played was a defence splitting one, If every run was a mazy dribble which lead to a sublime cross onto the strikers head do you think he'd be playing in league one or the championship? He wasnt great every week but some weeks he was excellent. Is it any coincidence that JP started playing badly when the fans got on his back and this forum was full of clueless clowns demanding the signing of that world beater Michael Antonio? Creative/flair players are also confidence players and the crowd on their back for every missed placed pass doesn't help anyone. JP might have a bit of an attitude but as fans we didn't help him either. A lot of it down to people's unrealistic expectations that a League one winger should be brilliant every week.

 

Spot on, Guly-haters take note.

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My thoughts on his appearance on Soccer am were that if he agreed to 'take one for the team' in front of the Northam to make up for being such a cock in the past I could suffer him back. Unfortunately his massive ego renders that highly unlikely.

 

You want to see him get bummed? Odd.

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This is what our dinlow fans don't get. He is a creative player and a winger, by their very nature they are not consistent. What they do offer though is that ability to unlock defences and do Something a little different. If every pass they played was a defence splitting one, If every run was a mazy dribble which lead to a sublime cross onto the strikers head do you think he'd be playing in league one or the championship? He wasnt great every week but some weeks he was excellent. Is it any coincidence that JP started playing badly when the fans got on his back and this forum was full of clueless clowns demanding the signing of that world beater Michael Antonio? Creative/flair players are also confidence players and the crowd on their back for every missed placed pass doesn't help anyone. JP might have a bit of an attitude but as fans we didn't help him either. A lot of it down to people's unrealistic expectations that a League one winger should be brilliant every week.

 

What I was saying at the time and spot on I saw glimpses of a good lplayer but as much as his attitude stunk the Northam played a part in his downfall

 

And now guly is the new target I hate our fan base at times, so fickle and eager to ridicule ! Not long ago lallana was the target and even now some vicious undertone about his underperformance is starting.

 

Would I have punch back ? No

 

Was he as bad as many made out ? Very much not

 

Just goes to show the average fan knows diddly, which also echoes those saying we are not currently good enough for promotion ...... Sigh

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What I was saying at the time and spot on I saw glimpses of a good lplayer but as much as his attitude stunk the Northam played a part in his downfall

And now guly is the new target I hate our fan base at times, so fickle and eager to ridicule ! Not long ago lallana was the target and even now some vicious undertone about his underperformance is starting.

Would I have punch back ? No

Was he as bad as many made out ? Very much not

 

Just goes to show the average fan knows diddly, which also echoes those saying we are not currently good enough for promotion ...... Sigh

 

Pardew actually mentioned about our fans a couple of times on post match interviews just before he "left". I remember after the cup game against bournemouth he said about how fans were quick to get on the players backs and how the Bournemouth fans for behind the team but we only did if pass was brilliant. To be fair he was spot on and it's just as bad now.

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Sorry are we still talking about Jason flatters to deceive Puncheon here, or has the debate moved on to some football genius the Northam hounded out of the club while I was out ?

 

I've been on here long enough to understand that average players sometimes get ridiculously overrated by our fans who get a bit carried away with themselves when they think they've identified a special player - but the trouble is some of us have seen real talent like Gareth Bale, Theo Walcott, and Alex Chamberlain emerge at this club, and without putting too fine a point on it, Jason Puncheon doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as those lads.

 

But if he is the special player some on here consider him to be then how come the prospect of his return from loan has arisen in the first place ? Surely QPR (or some other Premier League club) will want to sign him up for a big fee, because just like Walcott, Bale, and Chamberlain he is of Premier League standard isn't he ??? While we are on the subject the fact that this 25 year old has already had a dozen transfers under his belt is no indication that there's something wrong with his attitude and/or his ability is it ?

 

If you don't like that then lets concentrate on what he did for this great club. Lets recall all those times he beat his man easily on the halfway line and ran down the wing impressively - only to then fail to deliver anything that remotely resembled a decent cross. How about his shooting then - which would have been great if only the cross bar were 10 yards higher off the ground than the laws of the game allow alas. Maybe our notoriously bad pitch was to blame for that.

 

Perhaps it's our fault he wasn't performing here because a small minority of our fans were so beastly to him - and any suggestion that a decent player would react to that type of criticism by redoubling his efforts in a attempt to prove his doubters wrong is of course in itself utterly wrong.

 

So it's obviously some kind of mysterious footballing tragedy that Jason Puncheon no longer plays for Southampton Football Club.

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