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Freedom of Press? Don't make me laugh.

Firstly (and in my own personal experience with the Echo from many years ago), the facts that get presented to the reporter don't always end up appearing in the Newspaper - especially if they can sensationalise it in some way to sell more papers. Secondly, have you heard of the concept of a contract or even copyright? There are many instances in this world where you cannot just go around talking to and quoting people without express permission. I have no idea whether either of those are in play here, but you are very naive if you think the press can just go where they want and talk to who they want whenever they want.

 

if you want to just read the official site and beleive everything they tell you then go ahead, but i like having balanced news from various sources and making my own mind up, this story is a "good news" one and a positive view of saints new signing, the club spokesman got his knickers in a twist because they are control freeks who like to restrict media to report their press releases, but really there is nothing to be said , there is no anti-club agenda.

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Should have signed someone who is UK based. At least there's none of this nonsense with getting players from the other side of the world and also less chance of them throwing a wobbler at some point and saying that they want to go home because they're homesick.

 

On balance I agree with you, but lets give him a chance to throw a wobbler first.

 

I think this move is taking far too long, or the support he is getting from the club is not what it should be, which would not augur well for him settling down. Something doesnt feel right.

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On balance I agree with you, but lets give him a chance to throw a wobbler first.

 

I think this move is taking far too long, or the support he is getting from the club is not what it should be, which would not augur well for him settling down. Something doesnt feel right.

 

I don't know what else we could be doing really?

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There's so much bureaucracy that goes on with permenant moves like this.

 

Work Permit (& the subsequent appeal)

Entry Clearence

Language Barrier

The British Embassy

 

To name just a few, a move like this will take time to complete and the only reason we're partial to any information is because this move was annouched early.

 

Surely on fears he'd be spotted & recongnised training at Staplewood before an offical statement from the club had been made.

 

I fully expect him to sign by the time the window closes, however waiting around for paperwork from goverment mediators is almost surely the hold up on this deal

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Why does this feel like a re run of Rudi Skacel in some ways................ Lots of Hullabaloo, just hope in the cold light of day this lad does not end up as the same disappointment.

 

Also hope now we have agreed personal terms I hope we don't have a foreigner who has secured at nice pay day and is happy to sit on his backside taking a pay cheque like Delgado and that Pole who was S hot on loan but a waste of space once signed ( name escapes me).

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I think this move is taking far too long, or the support he is getting from the club is not what it should be, which would not augur well for him settling down. Something doesnt feel right.

How do you think he is not getting support? What doesn't feel right? It would appear, once again, to be purely your own negative tendencies that have given rise to this as I can't see any genuine evidence to give rise to this point of view.

 

As has now been well documented on this thread, with Dan Johnson just the latest above, moving from Japan takes time. Red tape can be lengthy, and then there's the actual moving process. That's life and some fans need to deal with it. This impatience, and subsequent assumption that something must be wrong just because he isn't here and playing yet, is IMO rather silly. Some people are having doubts about the player based on nothing more than the fact that their own demands for information haven't been met...

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As has already been stated, how long would it take you to sort out all your affairs to move to a country halfway round the planet. Why do some of you see problems in every little thing. I for one am eager to see Tandori (as my kids called him) play for us. No problem, no conspiracy, just sorting out personal affairs and paperwork.

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if you want to just read the official site and beleive everything they tell you then go ahead, but i like having balanced news from various sources and making my own mind up, this story is a "good news" one and a positive view of saints new signing, the club spokesman got his knickers in a twist because they are control freeks who like to restrict media to report their press releases, but really there is nothing to be said , there is no anti-club agenda.

 

You're just putting words in my mouth. I never mentioned that I just read the official site when I wanted information (if that was the case I wouldn't be reading the stuff on here would I). I was just commenting on the fact that you're a fool if you think there really is a freedom of the Press to ask what they want of who they want, whenever they want - and an even bigger fool if you believe everything they say anyway.

So how would you like to twist my words this time?

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How do you think he is not getting support? What doesn't feel right? It would appear, once again, to be purely your own negative tendencies that have given rise to this as I can't see any genuine evidence to give rise to this point of view.

 

As has now been well documented on this thread, with Dan Johnson just the latest above, moving from Japan takes time. Red tape can be lengthy, and then there's the actual moving process. That's life and some fans need to deal with it. This impatience, and subsequent assumption that something must be wrong just because he isn't here and playing yet, is IMO rather silly. Some people are having doubts about the player based on nothing more than the fact that their own demands for information haven't been met...

 

This.

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How do you think he is not getting support? What doesn't feel right? It would appear, once again, to be purely your own negative tendencies that have given rise to this as I can't see any genuine evidence to give rise to this point of view.

 

As has now been well documented on this thread, with Dan Johnson just the latest above, moving from Japan takes time. Red tape can be lengthy, and then there's the actual moving process. That's life and some fans need to deal with it. This impatience, and subsequent assumption that something must be wrong just because he isn't here and playing yet, is IMO rather silly. Some people are having doubts about the player based on nothing more than the fact that their own demands for information haven't been met...

 

You're forgetting Alps is a manic depressive. If he won the lottery he would bang on about how disappointed he is with the size of cheque for the photoshoot.

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You're forgetting Alps is a manic depressive. If he won the lottery he would bang on about how disappointed he is with the size of cheque for the photoshoot.

To be honest, my reply was also aimed at all the others who seem to be worrying for no real reason, but Alps' post prompted it. I'm also trying (god knows why sometimes) to encourage him to explain his reasoning for his posts, so others might understand his POV, to try and improve the quality on here. Possibly on a hiding to nothing...

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I read somewhere that he leaves Japan on Saturday, for a 15 hour flight, arrives here Sat afternoon, signs all paperwork, a day recovery, NA to take a look at him on Sunday to see if he's ok, on bench for Monday night

 

Any clues as to where you might have read it? Online?

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How do you think he is not getting support? What doesn't feel right? It would appear, once again, to be purely your own negative tendencies that have given rise to this as I can't see any genuine evidence to give rise to this point of view.

 

As has now been well documented on this thread, with Dan Johnson just the latest above, moving from Japan takes time. Red tape can be lengthy, and then there's the actual moving process. That's life and some fans need to deal with it. This impatience, and subsequent assumption that something must be wrong just because he isn't here and playing yet, is IMO rather silly. Some people are having doubts about the player based on nothing more than the fact that their own demands for information haven't been met...

 

Well said that man.

 

What is wrong with these people and their ADHD tendencies to doubt every little thing that doesn't move according to their own timescales, timescales which they've conjured up from their own fevered imaginations with no thought or regard to the real world.

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I have made such a move, with a family with kids, a few times. Lee is a youngster who most probably has no family so he doesnt need to worry about family-size accommodation and schools, for example. I also bet he hasnt accumulated a huge amount of personal possessions yet.

 

I am of the opinion from my own experience that provided the employer has engaged the right level of support, such a relocation can be very quick. Especially as he is probably going straight into a hotel. A specific example: A company I was moving to pay bills in 90 days. When I was told by my removal company a week before that my new company hadnt paid yet, as the quote said it must be up-front, and therefore they werent coming, I called my new company and they promised to pay within 7 days. They broke their own procedures. Problem solved.

 

So, what might I be overlooking ? The fact that my experience is within the EU-based and his situation is not ? Sorry, I dont believe that the embassy in Japan is causing this. I've never heard of S. American or African players having this trouble. Everything goes quickly if the will and the support is there. There are a mass of businesses set up to deal with this sort of thing throughout the world for professional people.

 

If lee has requested this time, fair enough. But we dont know. The club should have kept their mouths shut until the ink was drying.

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If lee has requested this time, fair enough. But we dont know. The club should have kept their mouths shut until the ink was drying.

 

Then you would of moaned they dont tell you anything!! I have been through this with India staff who come over....if you think its the same as Europe then you need to think again.

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On balance I agree with you, but lets give him a chance to throw a wobbler first.

 

I think this move is taking far too long, or the support he is getting from the club is not what it should be, which would not augur well for him settling down. Something doesnt feel right.

If it doesn't feel right you should see the doctor - if there's a lump it could be serious

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I've never heard of S. American or African players having this trouble. Everything goes quickly if the will and the support is there. There are a mass of businesses set up to deal with this sort of thing throughout the world for professional people.

 

May be something in that. Could be that the club did it this way as it's basically a first for all at Southampton. Other clubs that scout from South America etc. have more experience in managing international transfers.

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How is it different ? You need a work visa. What else ?

 

What else? Well, he would need his kosekitoohon updated and probably have to contact his chozeijimusho.

Then fill in the white form, the blue form, the orange form, the pink form ... oh and don't forget the green form. You would then wait whilst the lads round the back spent much time drinking green tea and sucking air over their back teeth in a "xxxssshhh" sort of sound everytime they came across something unusual - and a footballer of Korean descent leaving Japan to live in the UK would be classfied as unusual - it could take a whole day in just one local office.

 

Then again, he might get lucky and it will all go through smoothly and only take 3 or 4 hours.

 

Kosekitoohon = family registration document

Chizeijimusho = local tax office

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The club should have kept their mouths shut until the ink was drying.

 

Irony. Don't you just love it!

 

I think it is the club keeping their mouths shut that has precisely led to others making up their own conspiracy theories. I see absolutely no point in rushing Lee or Farque through for the Leicester game. We have adequate players avaialble. The reason we are signing new players is to give us strength, depth and options for the rest of the season. So long as the deal is all tied up and players settled in by the end of the month that is fine. A couple of weeks training with the first time will be essential before they start seriously contributing to the first team. If they appear before that it will be from the bench just to give a little excitement to the crowd.

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As others have said, there is a world (literally half a world) of difference between moving from Japan and moving within the EU.

 

He's signed some sort of pre-contract agreement so this is just a matter of time. It's best he gets his affairs in order and then gets over here - it will save him a 30 hr round trip when he forgets his PE kit.

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Freedom of Press? Don't make me laugh.

Firstly (and in my own personal experience with the Echo from many years ago), the facts that get presented to the reporter don't always end up appearing in the Newspaper - especially if they can sensationalise it in some way to sell more papers. Secondly, have you heard of the concept of a contract or even copyright? There are many instances in this world where you cannot just go around talking to and quoting people without express permission. I have no idea whether either of those are in play here, but you are very naive if you think the press can just go where they want and talk to who they want whenever they want.

 

Even when he signs for us, I am pretty sure Saints won't hold the "copyright" on Lee, and although they can ask him not to speak to the press they can't make him, and I seriously doubt "you must never speak to the Echo" will be in his "contract". Not sure where you get off calling people naive when what you've put there makes very little sense whatsoever.

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I refer you to this well made point...

 

 

 

Uprooting from Japan to the UK is a little different from putting you things in a removal van and moving from London to Southampton. I'd imagine he has a huge amount of things to sort out on top of just getting the paperwork done.

 

Christ yes. Moving countries with bureaucracy, permissions, organising everything is a 'mare. He'll have lots of support, but even so...

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Oh, and can people please not quote alpine, as I find it depressing.... "The club aren't doing anything"/"the club should keep quiet"/"this should happen"/"that hasn't happened". I thought matters were improving, but still the absolutely dichotomous statements and unsubstantiated opinions continue to gush forth.

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この糸は今までは未知のレベルにぬれるベッドを持って行った

 

持って行った is one of the most annoying phrases used on this forum. Is it coincidence that those last characters look a little like "SFC"?

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Lol at people complaining that it has taken him 8 days to find a removal company, get options on a shipping date for a Consolidated Container, get the quote approved by Southampton's management, compiled a packing list and valuation for UK Customs and for Insurance Purposes.

Decide which items he will not need in his first 4 weeks in England and which to pack into his 30Kg Luggage allowance in Business Class

Queue up in the Embassy, submit Passport and Documentation for the Visa. Queue up in the Embassy to collect Passport Documents and Visa. (Note for reference purposes - Dubai Consulate takes 10 days to process a replacement passport. A minimum of 5 working days from submission of APPROVED Documents (ie after Interview) to issue a VISIT visa to UK for non-EU Citizens.

 

Contact the Japanese Tax Authorities and submit Documents

 

Contact his local Players Union and complete the Docum,ents for his Insurance and Pension

 

Contact a Japanese Arm of a UK Bank and open a Bank Account in order to get paid - Bank has to perform Due Dilligence which takes a minimum of 3 days, and then the account opening will take a further 2 days, all of which must be done in person at the Bank

 

Have a few nights out in his favourite Ramen House with his mates who he won't see again for months

 

Yep that is all totally unreasonable and a Conspiracy that Saints don't know what they are doing

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Lol at people complaining that it has taken him 8 days to find a removal company, get options on a shipping date for a Consolidated Container, get the quote approved by Southampton's management, compiled a packing list and valuation for UK Customs and for Insurance Purposes.

Decide which items he will not need in his first 4 weeks in England and which to pack into his 30Kg Luggage allowance in Business Class

Queue up in the Embassy, submit Passport and Documentation for the Visa. Queue up in the Embassy to collect Passport Documents and Visa. (Note for reference purposes - Dubai Consulate takes 10 days to process a replacement passport. A minimum of 5 working days from submission of APPROVED Documents (ie after Interview) to issue a VISIT visa to UK for non-EU Citizens.

 

Contact the Japanese Tax Authorities and submit Documents

 

Contact his local Players Union and complete the Docum,ents for his Insurance and Pension

 

Contact a Japanese Arm of a UK Bank and open a Bank Account in order to get paid - Bank has to perform Due Dilligence which takes a minimum of 3 days, and then the account opening will take a further 2 days, all of which must be done in person at the Bank

 

Have a few nights out in his favourite Ramen House with his mates who he won't see again for months

 

Yep that is all totally unreasonable and a Conspiracy that Saints don't know what they are doing

 

Phill most of your posts seem to be in a strange language to me! However you nailed it on this one! From someone who

emigrated from the uk to Australia!

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Lol at people complaining that it has taken him 8 days to find a removal company, get options on a shipping date for a Consolidated Container, get the quote approved by Southampton's management, compiled a packing list and valuation for UK Customs and for Insurance Purposes.

Decide which items he will not need in his first 4 weeks in England and which to pack into his 30Kg Luggage allowance in Business Class

Queue up in the Embassy, submit Passport and Documentation for the Visa. Queue up in the Embassy to collect Passport Documents and Visa. (Note for reference purposes - Dubai Consulate takes 10 days to process a replacement passport. A minimum of 5 working days from submission of APPROVED Documents (ie after Interview) to issue a VISIT visa to UK for non-EU Citizens.

Contact the Japanese Tax Authorities and submit Documents

 

Contact his local Players Union and complete the Docum,ents for his Insurance and Pension

 

Contact a Japanese Arm of a UK Bank and open a Bank Account in order to get paid - Bank has to perform Due Dilligence which takes a minimum of 3 days, and then the account opening will take a further 2 days, all of which must be done in person at the Bank

 

Have a few nights out in his favourite Ramen House with his mates who he won't see again for months

 

Yep that is all totally unreasonable and a Conspiracy that Saints don't know what they are doing

 

Didnt have to do all of that himself - would have got help for all of at least the first line. As I said, we dont know how much personal time he felt he needed.

But I dont think this is down to logistics, or if it is, its been sub-optimally planned.

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Didnt have to do all of that himself - would have got help for all of at least the first line. As I said, we dont know how much personal time he felt he needed.

But I dont think this is down to logistics, or if it is, its been sub-optimally planned.

 

OK so for example

 

All of the below will have been done by an Agent, Management Company, or General Minion.

 

find a removal company, get options on a shipping date for a Consolidated Container, get the quote approved by Southampton's management, compiled a packing list and valuation for UK Customs and for Insurance Purposes.

 

And once they have run around and done everything? The SHIPPER has to provide ID proof and - SIGN THE DOCUMENTS. he wants to send personal urgent items by AirFreight? They must still be booked, packed, all the packing lists must be signed and HE must attend the Freight Centre.

 

Any items shipped into the EU without being "Personal Possessions" will be subject to delays and Import Tarrifs and will need original Commercial Invoices. They will also then need multiple PERSONAL trips to Customs at the Bonded Warehouse to prove Identity and prove that the units are your own.

 

And of course all of that is ASSUMING that there are no requirements for additional Security Screening.

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OK so for example

 

All of the below will have been done by an Agent, Management Company, or General Minion.

 

And once they have run around and done everything? The SHIPPER has to provide ID proof and - SIGN THE DOCUMENTS. he wants to send personal urgent items by AirFreight? They must still be booked, packed, all the packing lists must be signed and HE must attend the Freight Centre.

 

Any items shipped into the EU without being "Personal Possessions" will be subject to delays and Import Tarrifs and will need original Commercial Invoices. They will also then need multiple PERSONAL trips to Customs at the Bonded Warehouse to prove Identity and prove that the units are your own.

 

And of course all of that is ASSUMING that there are no requirements for additional Security Screening.

 

He's 19 years old, FFS !!

 

How many family f**king heirlooms is he going to take !??!! More like clothes and a stack of CDs / DVDs.

 

Besides, booking and packing can be done third party. All he needs to do is sign things.

 

The more you argue this, the more I think the delay is due to a personal requirement for time rather than a logisitcal issue, which of course cannot be delegated.

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Phil do you go to and from Dubai by boat, or do you use a plane? And when you go to a different country on hols, do you first set up a bank account or do you use one(s) that you already have?

 

I use a ship to send Furniture etc (as when I came and when my family moved back) and of course I am so special I don't bother with planes I just put red underpants on the outside of my trousers, don a pale blue cape and fly myself everywhere

 

I kept my UK Bank Account (obviously) however I needed a local bank account in order to be paid and to pay things like Direct Debits for everything. That was WAY before anti-Money Laundering Legislation. We brought around 20 different new expats down here on Secondment while in the MNC and the usual relocate time was 4 weeks and THAT was a hell of a lot of work

 

We have been opening a Bank Account here for a Company moving down. It's taken 10 days so far. They had to start the process in the UK before flying here to do the signatures etc

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