alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 if we finish 7th should Nigel be sacked for "****ing it up"? That's a toughie. If it is because NC didnt support getting in the players needed, then clearly the answer is no. If its because he failed to identify what he needed, or got what he needed but the team choked, then there is a case to be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 TBH I haven't seen anyone say that we do not need reinforcements ! The argument against Alpine is that he reckons that nothing is happening behind the scenes and now that we have reached the 2nd of January it's already a bleeding disaster ! What proof do you have that any significant ground work has been done ? None, I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 What proof do you have that any significant ground work has been done ? None, I suspect. What proof do you have that no significant ground work has been done? None, I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 What proof do you have that no significant ground work has been done? None, I suspect. Erm, no-one has been signed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Erm, no-one has been signed ? It's the 2nd of January. Get a grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxosponge Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 What proof do you have that any significant ground work has been done ? None, I suspect. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2562381,00.html The transfer window officially opens for business this week too, and Adkins explained that progress is being made as he looks to strengthen his side. "We have been working hard behind the scenes. "It is going to be a long month and I think a lot of business gets done at the end of the month. "We are going to get loads of speculation with plenty of names linked to us, we have been doing our work and we will continue to see if we can improve the group that we have got by adding one or two extra ones to it." OK Alps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Erm, no-one has been signed ? You idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Erm, no-one has been signed ? Don't be a fool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 I think those of you being abusive are the foolish ones. Other teams have already signed players. A window from 01.01 - 31.01 means exactly that. Not 24.01 - 31.01. We could have had one player in by the weekend game if we really had wanted to. The window is for transfers not for negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2562381,00.html The transfer window officially opens for business this week too, and Adkins explained that progress is being made as he looks to strengthen his side. "We have been working hard behind the scenes. "It is going to be a long month and I think a lot of business gets done at the end of the month. "We are going to get loads of speculation with plenty of names linked to us, we have been doing our work and we will continue to see if we can improve the group that we have got by adding one or two extra ones to it." OK Alps? Crowd-pleasing Cameronesque hot-air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Alpine you are a lunatic. You know NOTHING about football as has been made evidently clear over the years now. You always go off the rails after a defeat, it's like ground hog day on here sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Erm, no-one has been signed ? No New Year's resolution for you then, Alps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Alpine you are a lunatic. You know NOTHING about football as has been made evidently clear over the years now. You always go off the rails after a defeat, it's like ground hog day on here sometimes. No New Year's resolution for you then, Alps. I must be imagining Blackpool signing Danny Wilson from Liverpool already then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Or Leeds signing Andros Townsend from Spurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 I must be imagining Blackpool signing Danny Wilson from Liverpool already then.... That was part of the deal that took Charlie Adam to liverpool in the summer. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 or Donny getting David Button from Spurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Stop trying to justify yourself Alpine, you look an idiot from that comment and you're making yourself look even more stupid if that's possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Stop trying to justify yourself Alpine, you look an idiot from that comment and you're making yourself look even more stupid if that's possible. I dont need to justify myself. The fact is the other teams in this league have already started addressing their issues whereas we have clearly established weaknesses and are going to ponce around about sorting them out, as we always do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 I dont need to justify myself. The fact is the other teams in this league have already started addressing their issues whereas we have clearly established weaknesses and are going to ponce around about sorting them out, as we always do. Clearly Brighton have more weaknesses and holes than anyone else. I am stunned by the amount of players they have signed so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Clearly Brighton have more weaknesses and holes than anyone else. I am stunned by the amount of players they have signed so far. Brighton are in disarray. Are we ?? I thought everything was hunky-dory down SMS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Brighton are in disarray. Are we ?? I thought everything was hunky-dory down SMS... No, we are not in disarray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 So you think that Wilson, Button or whoever would improve our squad? I bet you've never heard of those players before you and searching BBC sport or wherever to prove your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 I dont need to justify myself. The fact is the other teams in this league have already started addressing their issues whereas we have clearly established weaknesses and are going to ponce around about sorting them out, as we always do. Seriously, the sort of posts you're making should be made on the 1st Feb after the window has closed. You are pre judging what will happen. If we haven't signed anyone by then or you don't think we've got the right players then fine, but give them more than a day of the window to make their move... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 So you think that Wilson, Button or whoever would improve our squad? I bet you've never heard of those players before you and searching BBC sport or wherever to prove your point. I dont really see the relevance of your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Seriously, the sort of posts you're making should be made on the 1st Feb after the window has closed. You are pre judging what will happen. If we haven't signed anyone by then or you don't think we've got the right players then fine, but give them more than a day of the window to make their move... Well, I dont want to wait another month of crap form to discuss this, to be honest. Do you think our promotion campaign can afford another month of mediocrity ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 I dont really see the relevance of your post. Nor did your examples have much relevance. Did it not occur to you we may be looking for higher quality players than Blackpool or Doncaster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Well, I dont want to wait another month of crap form to discuss this, to be honest. Do you think our promotion campaign can afford another month of mediocrity ? After today there isn't another league game until 14th jan. I'd hope Adkins would have spent yesterday preparing for today, not worried about transfers. We then have a nice little day break from the league which seems like a better time to be trying to bring in players and letting them settle in before the Forest game. If you engaged your brain, you may have been able to see that as well rather than rushing to post just one day after the window has opened... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 I dont need to justify myself. The fact is the other teams in this league have already started addressing their issues whereas we have clearly established weaknesses and are going to ponce around about sorting them out, as we always do. I agree with Alpine. There is a worrying lack of urgency. This equates to drift and complacency that will utlitimately lead to a midtable mediocre finish. Mind you, I'm not surprised, the pattern was set last summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Ah, the old "support like me or support someone else" gambit. Yawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 I see that the lunatics are running riot this afternoon then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 After today there isn't another league game until 14th jan. I'd hope Adkins would have spent yesterday preparing for today, not worried about transfers. We then have a nice little day break from the league which seems like a better time to be trying to bring in players and letting them settle in before the Forest game. If you engaged your brain, you may have been able to see that as well rather than rushing to post just one day after the window has opened... How will you feel if no-one has come in in advance of the game on the 14th, especially if we dont win today ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Brighton are in disarray. Are we ?? I thought everything was hunky-dory down SMS... Get a grip Alpine, nobody is unaware of the fact that we are having a difficult spell, but to suggest that NC and NA are sitting on their @rses finishing the last of the mince pies is ridiculous ! These guys have guided us to the top of the league and will do everything possible to stay there (do you honestly believe that they either don't care or are just plain useless ?)! And no, I cannot prove that they are working their b@lls off but plain common sense suggests that this is the case !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Ah, the old "support like me or support someone else" gambit. Yawn. What are you on about ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Get a grip Alpine, nobody is unaware of the fact that we are having a difficult spell, but to suggest that NC and NA are sitting on their @rses finishing the last of the mince pies is ridiculous ! These guys have guided us to the top of the league and will do everything possible to stay there (do you honestly believe that they either don't care or are just plain useless ?)! And no, I cannot prove that they are working their b@lls off but plain common sense suggests that this is the case !! I hope your right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 I agree with Alpine. There is a worrying lack of urgency. This equates to drift and complacency that will utlitimately lead to a midtable mediocre finish. Mind you, I'm not surprised, the pattern was set last summer. We have never approached the transfer market with any urgency. Under Lowe there was always the suspicion that he was simply being a tight-fisted clever d*ck. Dont understand the reasoning now though. Are we broke ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 What are you on about ? Have you ever noticed that if your outlook or opinion flies in the face of the cosy consensus on here, you get told to support someone else, like having a different opinion makes you an inferior, unworthy or dishonest supporter ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 it's the 2nd of January, these posts are unbelievable and beyond anything I've read on here before. What a pair of weirdos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 It seems my posts suggesting that Alpine might be what he seems have been 'moderated'...I suppose it is blindingly obvious and I don't doubt his right to run blubbing. Sigh.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 The point is, why are you telling us what other clubs are doing when they are signing kids on loan which is an easy deal to conclude quickly. Do you want us to sign quality or just sign players for the sake of it? Football isn't as simple as waving a magic wand, signing a couple of players on 1st of Jan and then start winning again immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 We have never approached the transfer market with any urgency. Under Lowe there was always the suspicion that he was simply being a tight-fisted clever d*ck. Dont understand the reasoning now though. Are we broke ? It makes you wonder. This begs the question of the commitment of the Liebherr's. I hope they are still with us for the long run, because if they are we will be even without promotion. Without them we could be in for a much more uncertain future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 It seems my posts suggesting that Alpine might be what he seems have been 'moderated'...I suppose it is blindingly obvious and I don't doubt his right to run blubbing. Sigh.. I havent complained at all. Maybe it was so outrageously abusive it was simply spotted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 The point is, why are you telling us what other clubs are doing when they are signing kids on loan which is an easy deal to conclude quickly. Do you want us to sign quality or just sign players for the sake of it? Football isn't as simple as waving a magic wand, signing a couple of players on 1st of Jan and then start winning again immediately. THAT IS EXACTLY MY POINT. If we leave it to the end of the month, by the time those hard-fought for players have integrated, it will be the end of February and our promotion campaign will be a dim and distant memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Have you ever noticed that if your outlook or opinion flies in the face of the cosy consensus on here, you get told to support someone else, like having a different opinion makes you an inferior, unworthy or dishonest supporter ? Well, it comes as no surprise that supporters have blind faith in their team, but to ignore certain realities is stupid. We have had a cracking start to the season, better than i thought we would, but, I said back in August that the squad was too lightweight for the whole season. I can't see what is wrong with that idea. Also, on the transfer issue. I live in Norwich in which my local team have been very canny and very decisive in the transfer market. This seems to have worked and seems the opposite to Saints, yet the clubs are very similar in profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 THAT IS EXACTLY MY POINT. If we leave it to the end of the month, by the time those hard-fought for players have integrated, it will be the end of February and our promotion campaign will be a dim and distant memory. Listen to any manager and they will tell you that January is the hardest month to do business. If you want to sign top QUALITY, clubs are reluctant to let players go, fee's are OTT and players themselves don't want to uproot half way through a season. Sticking the boot in to NC and NA from your ivory tower in Austria on 2nd January is just bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Well, it comes as no surprise that supporters have blind faith in their team, but to ignore certain realities is stupid. We have had a cracking start to the season, better than i thought we would, but, I said back in August that the squad was too lightweight for the whole season. I can't see what is wrong with that idea. Also, on the transfer issue. I live in Norwich in which my local team have been very canny and very decisive in the transfer market. This seems to have worked and seems the opposite to Saints, yet the clubs are very similar in profile. According to our fans, doing everything ball-achingly slowly and complex is the right way forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Listen to any manager and they will tell you that January is the hardest month to do business. If you want to sign top QUALITY, clubs are reluctant to let players go, fee's are OTT and players themselves don't want to uproot half way through a season. Right, then we f*cked up royally back in August as Dalek claims then. Just taking the striker issue, Connolly was already a known risk and Barnard already had legal issues hanging over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Right, then we f*cked up royally back in August as Dalek claims then. Just taking the striker issue, Connolly was already a known risk and Barnard already had legal issues hanging over him. Not really, no one has more points than us and no one has scored more goals. Their faith in the squad until now has been repaid. Complain all you want come 1st Feb but there is nothing to suggest that they won't be working hard to bring in a couple of players in this window. The fact that we've been working on the signing of the Japanese striker for some time disproves your point anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 According to our fans, doing everything ball-achingly slowly and complex is the right way forward. Alpine, serious question: Why do you continually misrepresent what others are saying in your attempts to make your own point? You do it all the time. If your point can't stand on its own merits without that kind of nonsense, perhaps you don't really have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 Alpine, serious question: Why do you continually misrepresent what others are saying in your attempts to make your own point? You do it all the time. If your point can't stand on its own merits without that kind of nonsense, perhaps you don't really have one. I dont think I am mis-representing it. I have made the perfectly valid argument that the negotiations could have taken place weeks ago so that a signing was announced this week. Only two other posters have said something similar today. According to all the abuse I have received, thats the not the way to do it, transfers have to be made at the end of the month (after another 3 or 4 games have gone). It seems most of our fans accept that transfer activity has to be complex and drawn-out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 2 January, 2012 Share Posted 2 January, 2012 There, just to prove my point, you did it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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