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The vast majority of people on this forum live in la la land. Why can people not be realistic and look at the facts? Yes we're in a far better position than we all expected to be at this time but look at the bigger picture. Our away form is poor. Defeats at Bristol City, Doncaster, Leicester and Cardiff. Draws at Derby, Barnsley, Reading & P*mpey. Based on this form and looking at the remaining away fixtures do people really think we'll be in the top 2 at the end of the season? We've got to go to Leeds, Boro, WHU, Blackpool, Brighton & Birmingham. From those 6 fixtures we'll be lucky to get 6 points. Then there's away games at the likes of Hull, Forest, Palace and Watford. Given they we've been unable to beat teams in the bottom 3 I really don't see us getting more than 10 points from all of our remaining away fixtures in 2012.

 

I await the onslaught from people who disagree with this, but if you look at the facts it's very hard to see how the second half of our season can be anywhere near as good as the first.

 

Not disagreeing with you but it is the coaches and the players who must be reaslistic and keep their feet on the ground. We are fans FFS so its just as acceptable to be in lala land as being a miserable bastard. There is an irony in your post when you say the vast majority are in lala land and then say we doing better than we all expected. Supporting Saints is all about winning the big games and losing to those we think are merely routine!

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It's getting a bit heated in here eh. I agree with some points in the original OP. A blind man would understand that our away form has been really poor so far. Only our outrageous home form is keeping us ahead of the pack. It may be a blip but that superb form looks to be waining so the natural question is; where does that leave us? A couple of signings in January and who knows, our away form could pick up. ChesterSaint is making the assumption that our away form will remain poor and our home form continue to drop and subsequently we will slide out of the reckoning. It is a reasonable assumption to be fair. However, nothing is set in stone and I believe we will ride this blip and with the return of Chappers, a couple of astute signings, a hopefull return to form of Lallana, and an improving De Ridder, we have what it takes to maintain a challenge.

 

Just for the record, those posters calling each other ****s and cocks etc because they don't agree with other, need to get a grip. You wouldn't speak like that to each other in the pub so how is it acceptable whilst behind a keyboard? And to question someone's 'worth' as a saints fan based on their beliefs for the rest of the season is as sane as Anne Frank having a drum kit.

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Not sure why you have to keep referring to me. I have posted numerous times that I posted in that thread out of frustration when it looked like only a miraculous run would get us to promotion (which is then what we had.) You then decided to say that I wanted the club to fail. I don't think that subsequent posts (including my argument with Alpine yesterday) has backed up your view in any way. A better man would apologise.

 

Yet again you fail to read - or comprehend - what's in front of you. It seems to happen when you start typing - in anger or frustration or indignation - before you've thought (or read) things through, which was constant and is now thankfully only occasional. As you very well know, I'm far from the only person to take issue with that trait on here.

 

Try reading the second-last sentence again and then we'll see if your misdirected "better man" comment applies for your own screw-ups. I suspect it doesn't.

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Yet again you fail to read - or comprehend - what's in front of you. It seems to happen when you start typing - in anger or frustration or indignation - before you've thought (or read) things through, which was constant and is now thankfully only occasional. As you very well know, I'm far from the only person to take issue with that trait on here.

 

Try reading the second-last sentence again and then we'll see if your misdirected "better man" comment applies for your own screw-ups. I suspect it doesn't.

 

You were the only one saying I was not a true fan. Why you have to keep mentioning me in your posts I have no idea.

 

Fact is you said I wanted saints to fail. That is not the case, and subsequent posts have proven that. I posted some comments in the heat of the moment past season after one match and yet you continue to refer to it. I sometimes get annoyed when we perform poorly. It's not a common occurrence as you suggest. Kindly leave me out of your posts in future.

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You were the only one saying I was not a true fan. Why you have to keep mentioning me in your posts I have no idea.

 

Fact is you said I wanted saints to fail. That is not the case, and subsequent posts have proven that. I posted some comments in the heat of the moment past season after one match and yet you continue to refer to it. I sometimes get annoyed when we perform poorly. It's not a common occurrence as you suggest. Kindly leave me out of your posts in future.

 

Nobody takes pleasure in wanting Saints to fail. I think that unfortunately the jolt of realism brought about by the December results naturally causes people to lash out in frustration.

We can't all have the same opinions and it is good that people see things from a different aspect. I have always said things as they see them (from the days o the failure to re-appoint Hoddle debacle), and understand how difficult it is for some fans to accept reality.

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It's getting a bit heated in here eh. I agree with some points in the original OP. A blind man would understand that our away form has been really poor so far. Only our outrageous home form is keeping us ahead of the pack. It may be a blip but that superb form looks to be waining so the natural question is; where does that leave us? A couple of signings in January and who knows, our away form could pick up. ChesterSaint is making the assumption that our away form will remain poor and our home form continue to drop and subsequently we will slide out of the reckoning. It is a reasonable assumption to be fair. However, nothing is set in stone and I believe we will ride this blip and with the return of Chappers, a couple of astute signings, a hopefull return to form of Lallana, and an improving De Ridder, we have what it takes to maintain a challenge.

 

Just for the record, those posters calling each other ****s and cocks etc because they don't agree with other, need to get a grip. You wouldn't speak like that to each other in the pub so how is it acceptable whilst behind a keyboard? And to question someone's 'worth' as a saints fan based on their beliefs for the rest of the season is as sane as Anne Frank having a drum kit.

 

Well worded Dude. Have a good New Year. Still laughing at the thought of Anne Frank having a drum kit. :-)

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It's getting a bit heated in here eh. I agree with some points in the original OP. A blind man would understand that our away form has been really poor so far. Only our outrageous home form is keeping us ahead of the pack. It may be a blip but that superb form looks to be waining so the natural question is; where does that leave us? A couple of signings in January and who knows, our away form could pick up. ChesterSaint is making the assumption that our away form will remain poor and our home form continue to drop and subsequently we will slide out of the reckoning. It is a reasonable assumption to be fair. However, nothing is set in stone and I believe we will ride this blip and with the return of Chappers, a couple of astute signings, a hopefull return to form of Lallana, and an improving De Ridder, we have what it takes to maintain a challenge.

 

Just for the record, those posters calling each other ****s and cocks etc because they don't agree with other, need to get a grip. You wouldn't speak like that to each other in the pub so how is it acceptable whilst behind a keyboard? And to question someone's 'worth' as a saints fan based on their beliefs for the rest of the season is as sane as Anne Frank having a drum kit.

 

A very balanced and wise post. We are definitely at a crossroads in the season that is for sure and only time will tell if my prediction of lower mid table obscurity is a more accurate prediction than those saying we will finish top 2.

I have pinned my colours to the mast based on our fairly modest ambitions over the summer transfer window. Some people have done the smae. but not many. A lot of fans have re-adjusted their predictions in the light of the good start and no doubt will do again as our form dips.

I am not surprised as most people do not like making bold predictions, particularly if they are not what people want to hear.

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A very balanced and wise post. We are definitely at a crossroads in the season that is for sure and only time will tell if my prediction of lower mid table obscurity is a more accurate prediction than those saying we will finish top 2.

I have pinned my colours to the mast based on our fairly modest ambitions over the summer transfer window. Some people have done the smae. but not many. A lot of fans have re-adjusted their predictions in the light of the good start and no doubt will do again as our form dips.

I am not surprised as most people do not like making bold predictions, particularly if they are not what people want to hear.

 

How is it more realistic?

 

Saints only need another 3 wins from the remaining 22 games for them to have as many points as the 17th placed team last season.

 

Why are you continuing with this nonsense? I hope for your own sake you are on a wind up and don't seriously believe what you say!

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You were the only one saying I was not a true fan. Why you have to keep mentioning me in your posts I have no idea.

 

Fact is you said I wanted saints to fail. That is not the case, and subsequent posts have proven that. I posted some comments in the heat of the moment past season after one match and yet you continue to refer to it. I sometimes get annoyed when we perform poorly. It's not a common occurrence as you suggest. Kindly leave me out of your posts in future.

 

I knew you weren't man enough to apologize for yet another failure to properly read or understand what's right in front of you. It's such a "fingers in the ear" weakness that you actually start to believe your own lies and bullcrap.

 

And BTW if you continue to post on here (a public form) I'll continue to refer to you whenever it suits me. If you want to keep making it personal with your precious sensitivity perhaps you should do it via PM.

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How is it more realistic?

 

Saints only need another 3 wins from the remaining 22 games for them to have as many points as the 17th placed team last season.

 

Why are you continuing with this nonsense? I hope for your own sake you are on a wind up and don't seriously believe what you say!

 

I do believe what I say and I am not a WUM

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FACT = we are top of the league ( even if 'boro go on win this afternoon )

FACT = we have the best GD

 

Why should we assume the wheels are ALL going to fall off ?

 

How do you think the Man Ure fans feel after their result today ? How many wrist slitters are jumping off the bridges over the M60 ?

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I get frustrated with this debate.

 

Take a business as an anology. I run a fleet of 12 trucks. Do I;

 

a) change every truck at the same time once every 10 years, mucking up all my other arrangements in the process.

 

b) never change any because they all went OK today, and suddenly wonder why I own a load of ancient unreliable scrap.

 

c) make a plan and change a couple every year to keep a good fleet of trucks.

 

We should make 2 or 3 of signings every window. We should do this if we are top of the league. We should do this if we are bottom of the league. It keeps the team fresh, and helps everyone at all levels by not changing too many variables at once, because a football team is like a golf swing in that way.

 

I hope that NA and NC understand this, but you have to give them the benefit of the doubt because we are top of the bloody league.

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I knew you weren't man enough to apologize for yet another failure to properly read or understand what's right in front of you. It's such a "fingers in the ear" weakness that you actually start to believe your own lies and bullcrap.

 

And BTW if you continue to post on here (a public form) I'll continue to refer to you whenever it suits me. If you want to keep making it personal with your precious sensitivity perhaps you should do it via PM.

 

You know what you did. The fact you try to justify it when you are proven wrong time and time again shows the type of person you are.

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You know what you did. The fact you try to justify it when you are proven wrong time and time again shows the type of person you are.

 

Oh, the irony :lol:. Unlike you, I know exactly what was said and what wasn't said, and I don't need to lie to justify myself. Take it to PM if you have a problem, rather than continually boring normal people with your pathetic "You hurt my feelings" whining.

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Oh, the irony :lol:. Unlike you, I know exactly what was said and what wasn't said, and I don't need to lie to justify myself. Take it to PM if you have a problem, rather than continually boring normal people with your pathetic "You hurt my feelings" whining.

 

Ffs stop bringing me up by name in your weird bleatings and then angling for a private message! If you continually refer to me unfairly on here then don't be surprised if I bring it up in public seeing as you have no problem with it. If you didn't keep referring to something that happened months ago then I wouldn't be saying anything.

 

I know exactly what happened at the time thanks. You are the one intent on rewriting history.

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Ffs stop bringing me up by name in your weird bleatings and then angling for a private message! If you continually refer to me unfairly on here then don't be surprised if I bring it up in public seeing as you have no problem with it. If you didn't keep referring to something that happened months ago then I wouldn't be saying anything.

 

I know exactly what happened at the time thanks. You are the one intent on rewriting history.

 

take a poll asking who people think writes the most cr@p on here, I guarantee you will always be mentioned amongst them.

 

ask yourself why that is, then reform your sh1t stirring ways.

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If we end this season just outside the playoffs, or losing in the playoffs, the complacent few will still say what a great season it's been - how they never expected to spend half the season in the top two, never expected to finish so high, how great it will be to have another season in the Championship, etc, etc.

Being a critical friend is far more supportive of the club than lamely praising everything they do, as if losing matches is just as good as winning. The critics want to see more done to ensure this great club gets back to the top half of the top league and to do that these days you must have a team of truly quality players but the first step has to be to get out of this second tier division we are in. This season we have a great chance, but a chance that can yet be thrown away by results such those over the last 5 weeks. The need for quality into the side could not be clearer, and Adkins has said that himself. HE can only pick the players he has on the books so bringing in better is the way to ensure the good first half is not thrown away. Five signings, please. Oh, and offload some of those who are never going to be premier league standard.

 

So, whose responsibility is the signing of new players then ?

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Ffs stop bringing me up by name in your weird bleatings and then angling for a private message! If you continually refer to me unfairly on here then don't be surprised if I bring it up in public seeing as you have no problem with it. If you didn't keep referring to something that happened months ago then I wouldn't be saying anything.

 

I know exactly what happened at the time thanks. You are the one intent on rewriting history.

 

Aha if Canada is a re-writer of history he is probably denying the truth about the Hoddle debacle. I'll put him on the list anyway.

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That has absolutely nothing to do with this situation.

 

forget you and your "situation" no one gives a toss.

 

all im saying is that you should understand why everyone gives you a hard time on here.

 

New year and all, giving you some advice. If you truly support saints, learn and revise the way you post.

If you are a wum, people have you figured out and no one gives a toss about what you say anyway, just feel obliged now and again to respond to the cr@p you spout to put you in your place...

 

Happy new year.

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or turn it around...We have played almost all the top teams in the league at Home (and beaten them) so in theory we should still get a reasonable return from the remaining home games!

 

Oh and whilst we are at it..yeah we only picked up 5 points in december...but West Ham only picked up 4!!

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The OP is spot on. We've had the easy leg of our away fixtures. The next two months look horrific. We've done very well to start 2012 top of the league, but if we dont strengthen NOW (not the end of January) we are going to plummet down the table and out the other side of the playoff places.

 

But surely the converse is true then ..... we have loads of easy games to come at home as we have smashed most of the ones in the top half and have only the bottom half ones to play ......

 

Today shows that other teams will continue to drop points as well. Our away form is basically top eight and home form remains top of the table and some! As I've said many times before, away wins are very hard to achieve regularly. You're doing well if you can win a third and draw a third of those games and we will do that I'm sure.

 

We remain in a fantastic position and all of our competitors will have their problems too. We had similar comments last season and were in a far less envious position and came through. People should have more faith.

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forget you and your "situation" no one gives a toss.

 

all im saying is that you should understand why everyone gives you a hard time on here.

 

New year and all, giving you some advice. If you truly support saints, learn and revise the way you post.

If you are a wum, people have you figured out and no one gives a toss about what you say anyway, just feel obliged now and again to respond to the cr@p you spout to put you in your place...

 

Happy new year.

 

I don't have to take any posting advice from you. You replied to a post so I assumed you were referring to this specific situation. If you really feel you have to post about me then I would take the Canada saint approach and suggest you do it via pm.

 

Not everyone gives me a hard time, plenty of regular posters (most posting on the old saints forever i notice before some of the stranger ones came here) are able to disagree and have a proper debate without the silliness and without targeting the individual poster instead of post content. It doesn't surprise me that you choose to see me as a wum (despite a wealth of evidence over many years to the contrary.) rather like Canada saint it suits you to dismiss what I write rather than engage me in a proper debate or even be civil. The fact you think you have 'put me in my place' is frankly laughable.

 

I will be having an excellent new year in London. Thanks for asking.

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But surely the converse is true then ..... we have loads of easy games to come at home as we have smashed most of the ones in the top half and have only the bottom half ones to play ......

 

Today shows that other teams will continue to drop points as well. Our away form is basically top eight and home form remains top of the table and some! As I've said many times before, away wins are very hard to achieve regularly. You're doing well if you can win a third and draw a third of those games and we will do that I'm sure.

 

We remain in a fantastic position and all of our competitors will have their problems too. We had similar comments last season and were in a far less envious position and came through. People should have more faith.

 

Just substitute the word sense for faith and you've got it spot on...

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I don't have to take any posting advice from you. You replied to a post so I assumed you were referring to this specific situation. If you really feel you have to post about me then I would take the Canada saint approach and suggest you do it via pm.

 

Not everyone gives me a hard time, plenty of regular posters (most posting on the old saints forever i notice before some of the stranger ones came here) are able to disagree and have a proper debate without the silliness and without targeting the individual poster instead of post content. It doesn't surprise me that you choose to see me as a wum (despite a wealth of evidence over many years to the contrary.) rather like Canada saint it suits you to dismiss what I write rather than engage me in a proper debate or even be civil. The fact you think you have 'put me in my place' is frankly laughable.

 

I will be having an excellent new year in London. Thanks for asking.

 

Tbh I don't think your in any position to make suggestions you boring pedantic ****, your not in the kids library now. Your a well known wum, negative and have single handedly delivered more drivel put together than any other ever has

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I don't have to take any posting advice from you. You replied to a post so I assumed you were referring to this specific situation. If you really feel you have to post about me then I would take the Canada saint approach and suggest you do it via pm.

 

Not everyone gives me a hard time, plenty of regular posters (most posting on the old saints forever i notice before some of the stranger ones came here) are able to disagree and have a proper debate without the silliness and without targeting the individual poster instead of post content. It doesn't surprise me that you choose to see me as a wum (despite a wealth of evidence over many years to the contrary.) rather like Canada saint it suits you to dismiss what I write rather than engage me in a proper debate or even be civil. The fact you think you have 'put me in my place' is frankly laughable.

 

I will be having an excellent new year in London. Thanks for asking.

 

thats right, you like to engage people by calling them names, so mature of you advocating "reasoned debate" lmao!

 

well i'll tell you what, get over your dream that theres hundreds on here who respect your opinions, cos it aint real mate! secondly ive been posting for longer than you think and can confidently say that if nothing else, ive (unfortunately) observed you as definately consistent!

 

but then again so is my ass...

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I opened this thread by saying that most people on this forum live in la la land. Judging by some of the childish tittle tattle I've been reading I was completely right. I read the forums of loads of clubs and I can honestly say that this forum is the worst I've come accross for fans squabbling like school children. This playground banter makes me ashamed to be a Saints fan. I can only assume that the people behind it are the same fans who turned on me when I was at Anfield back in the 90's when I mentioned that I lived in the North West. You've never seen a group of people turn so quickly. It was disgraceful behaviour and left me asking myself if I really wanted to follow a club whose supporters bullied fellow fans because of where they live.

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I opened this thread by saying that most people on this forum live in la la land. Judging by some of the childish tittle tattle I've been reading I was completely right. I read the forums of loads of clubs and I can honestly say that this forum is the worst I've come accross for fans squabbling like school children. This playground banter makes me ashamed to be a Saints fan. I can only assume that the people behind it are the same fans who turned on me when I was at Anfield back in the 90's when I mentioned that I lived in the North West. You've never seen a group of people turn so quickly. It was disgraceful behaviour and left me asking myself if I really wanted to follow a club whose supporters bullied fellow fans because of where they live.

 

you expect us to believe you are a saints fan after the rubbish yo have posted??

 

one glimpse at you post history tells all what kind of wum you are. so save it and go back to the blue hole you crawled out of....

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I opened this thread by saying that most people on this forum live in la la land. Judging by some of the childish tittle tattle I've been reading I was completely right. I read the forums of loads of clubs and I can honestly say that this forum is the worst I've come accross for fans squabbling like school children. This playground banter makes me ashamed to be a Saints fan. I can only assume that the people behind it are the same fans who turned on me when I was at Anfield back in the 90's when I mentioned that I lived in the North West. You've never seen a group of people turn so quickly. It was disgraceful behaviour and left me asking myself if I really wanted to follow a club whose supporters bullied fellow fans because of where they live.

 

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It's getting a bit heated in here eh. I agree with some points in the original OP. A blind man would understand that our away form has been really poor so far. Only our outrageous home form is keeping us ahead of the pack. It may be a blip but that superb form looks to be waining so the natural question is; where does that leave us? A couple of signings in January and who knows, our away form could pick up. ChesterSaint is making the assumption that our away form will remain poor and our home form continue to drop and subsequently we will slide out of the reckoning. It is a reasonable assumption to be fair. However, nothing is set in stone and I believe we will ride this blip and with the return of Chappers, a couple of astute signings, a hopefull return to form of Lallana, and an improving De Ridder, we have what it takes to maintain a challenge.

 

Just for the record, those posters calling each other ****s and cocks etc because they don't agree with other, need to get a grip. You wouldn't speak like that to each other in the pub so how is it acceptable whilst behind a keyboard? And to question someone's 'worth' as a saints fan based on their beliefs for the rest of the season is as sane as Anne Frank having a drum kit.

 

I shouldnt find that funny, but its hillarious.

 

Good post.

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Dweeb, I am so going to ram this post down your throat come May if it goes tits up.....

 

No problems, as I'm sure plenty of people will do the same to you if we go up automatically, although they may use another orifice. I wouldn't be surprised also if it wasn't a more popular event on here too.

 

We do need to strengthen and freshen up, but it must be easier to sell the club to new players based on still being a couple of points clear as we enter 2012, and being watched by crowds of 30k. The promise of promotion bonuses and future premiership wages might help too.

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I do not think that anyone wants to win the N Power Championship this year. My tip and a team that seem to be doing a Norwich is Reading. They have won 6 or their last 7. All the teams at the top are so inconsistent at the moment, so I am going for Reading for Champions.

 

Before anyone says anything I know that Norwich did not win the league, but went on a great run to get second. As we do not seem to have anyone that wants to run away with the league, it is there for any team who wants to put a run together in the top 8-10.

 

We will get second.

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I do not think that anyone wants to win the N Power Championship this year. My tip and a team that seem to be doing a Norwich is Reading. They have won 6 or their last 7. All the teams at the top are so inconsistent at the moment, so I am going for Reading for Champions.

 

Before anyone says anything I know that Norwich did not win the league, but went on a great run to get second. As we do not seem to have anyone that wants to run away with the league, it is there for any team who wants to put a run together in the top 8-10.

 

We will get second.

 

if we fall short, think we might come runners up to boro mate...

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if we fall short, think we might come runners up to boro mate...

 

I do not think Boro have the firepower and I cannot see them going up. Reading play some really good attacking football with 2 wingers and after a shaky start are scoring goals from all over the park. They only scraped through today, but they keep going until the end. We will come second, with West Ham or a team like Barnsley will go up in the play offs.

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you expect us to believe you are a saints fan after the rubbish yo have posted??

 

one glimpse at you post history tells all what kind of wum you are. so save it and go back to the blue hole you crawled out of....

 

Sorry, gonna have to lower myself to your level as it seems to be all that you understand. Me, Blue? You really are clueless. Just what is your problem? All I've seen on this forum is you trying to upset people. WUM. ha ha ha ha ha. Coming from you. pmsl.

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