sandwichsaint Posted 31 December, 2011 Share Posted 31 December, 2011 very good rant. Guly is the new Puncheon, who was the new BWP... And you can add Jermaine Wright and Jason Euell to that list. And what do those five players have in common? When was the last time we had a white boo-boy at Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red&White Posted 31 December, 2011 Share Posted 31 December, 2011 No knee jerk reaction here but I genuinely don't think we will go up this year. Maybe in 2012 tho! whatever pans out a big thanks to Nigel and the players for a fantatstic calendar year This :-) and a happy NEW YEAR to you all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 31 December, 2011 Share Posted 31 December, 2011 And you can add Jermaine Wright and Jason Euell to that list. And what do those five players have in common? When was the last time we had a white boo-boy at Saints? That is a disgusting statement quite frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie66 Posted 31 December, 2011 Share Posted 31 December, 2011 Bristol City played with very high tempo, they worked so hard that unless we matched that tempo we weren't going to break them down. Even when DeRidder got down the right we were light on numbers and late into the box. On numerous occasions the ball broke in the six yd box but nobody had made the effort and gambled to get in there. For me apart from Lallana's infuriating self indulgent below par performance the problem was our slow pace of play up the whole spine. The three other flank players put in a good shift and competed. The slow motion started with the goalkeeper. Everybody in the country knows that Davis won't release the ball early, that he will eventually pass short to somebody so they set up with just enough space to entice him then close the ball down. He never ever passes in front of the receiver and often ends up with the ball launched by somebody under pressure or gets it back and lumps it himself. If we want to play from back we need a goalkeeper that is slick at releasing the ball so as to catch the opponents on the break not already compact and formed up. Hoiveldt was solid and constructive but Martin who defended well is extremely limited in possession meaning that our possession didn't work at the back. Cork worked his socks off in closing down but gave nothing in a forward sense. Schneiderlin for me struggled to adapt to the high tempo consequently we never got a proper grip on midfield and failed to support attacks from the midfield. In front of them Lambert was frustrated all night by a referee that gave no protection from the pushing that went on. Guly did some good things but his control was poor and far too many passes were given away. All in all we needed to match Bristol all over the park and fight for the right to play our football but we were off the pace and DeRidder was our only real threat. In hindsight although I thought the change might have been made at halftime Hammond and Cork would have been a more combative central midfield. Lallana needs either a wake up call or to be taken out of the firing line. With Guly from a football sense misfiring there is no room for sentiment. Now Connolly is back and DeRidder playing a part there is a little bit of scope for change. Excellent assessment. We need someone with pace to receive the advantages given us by De Ridder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 31 December, 2011 Share Posted 31 December, 2011 Does anyone think United's season is over after losing to Blackburn I wonder.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 31 December, 2011 Share Posted 31 December, 2011 And you can add Jermaine Wright and Jason Euell to that list. And what do those five players have in common? When was the last time we had a white boo-boy at Saints? Chris Makin Kelvin Davis Bart Bialkowski Marek Saganowski Calumn Davenport Andreas Jackobsson Mikael Nilsson Paul Wotton Gregory Vignal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 31 December, 2011 Share Posted 31 December, 2011 You can add Paul Telfer and Neil McCann to that list too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 31 December, 2011 Share Posted 31 December, 2011 Chris Makin Kelvin Davis Bart Bialkowski Marek Saganowski Calumn Davenport Andreas Jackobsson Mikael Nilsson Paul Wotton Gregory Vignal Jimmy Melia Martin Chivers Lew Chatterley Steve Baker Lee Todd Perry Groves David Speedie Gregorz Rasiak All (fellow) white honkies.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 31 December, 2011 Share Posted 31 December, 2011 You can add Paul Telfer and Neil McCann to that list too. Christ, how did I forget those two, although they are Scottish so that would be more xenophobia than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 31 December, 2011 Share Posted 31 December, 2011 Also think St. Marcos post was good. Maybe we are missing AOCs contribution this season more than we thought. Perhaps he gave us more options. In which case Adkins should really re-evaluate his relationship with Puncheon. How on earth you can compare the two players in the same sentence is beyond a joke because it isn't funny, logical or sensible - in fact, now I have indeed burst out laughing. I think I read once you don't go to games - well it shows!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 31 December, 2011 Share Posted 31 December, 2011 Jimmy Melia Martin Chivers Lew Chatterley Steve Baker Lee Todd Perry Groves David Speedie Gregorz Rasiak All (fellow) white honkies.... When I had a season ticket in the East Stand there was a youngish bloke who used to regularly slag off Mike Channon in the 'early doors' part of his career Later an older chap continually rubbished Alan Ball Ironically both the 'supporters' were Irish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Having just seen the highlights on Player - am I the only one that thinks Kelvin should have held on to the first shot from distance which led to their goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 When I had a season ticket in the East Stand there was a youngish bloke who used to regularly slag off Mike Channon in the 'early doors' part of his career . Later an older chap continually rubbished Alan Ball Ironically both the 'supporters' were Irish. Alan Ball was a major scapegoat for quite a while as was Benali and Hughie Fisher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Having just seen the highlights on Player - am I the only one that thinks Kelvin should have held on to the first shot from distance which led to their goal? You're not alone. He also has a tendency to spill the ball back into the danger area. He also failed to hold on to an earlier shot which also led to a goal, fortunately ruled offside. We don't see opposition keepers making these sorts of mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Having just seen the highlights on Player - am I the only one that thinks Kelvin should have held on to the first shot from distance which led to their goal? that's why I called him shotspiller yesterday, does it a lot,had already done it before in that game,got turned in as well but it was offside. We need a new keeper, one who commands his box and doesn't spill shots.Look at Spurs without Gomes,even the 40 year old Friedel is more solid, probably less spectacular but he holds onto shots and takes crosses off his line.If we had had James we would not have lost on Friday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 that's ,even the 40 year old Friedel is more solid, probably less spectacular but he holds onto shots and takes crosses off his line.If we had had James we would not have lost on Friday night. Have a look at Swanseas goal yesterday and you may not think the same about Friedel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Have a look at Swanseas goal yesterday and you may not think the same about Friedel I shall do that later, running time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 How on earth you can compare the two players in the same sentence is beyond a joke because it isn't funny, logical or sensible - in fact, now I have indeed burst out laughing. I think I read once you don't go to games - well it shows!! There may be quite a gap in terms of quality, but both offer pace from the wing and therefore a tactical option. I am glad you found my post funny; you must be a bit of a laughing gimp to have missed my point though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Alan Ball was a major scapegoat for quite a while as was Benali and Hughie Fisher. Anyone else remember the "osgood is a w*nker" chants hailing from every corner of the Dell on his first appearance for us there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketphilly Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 That is a disgusting statement quite frankly. I think it probably has some basis in truth to be fair. The black players do seem to get jumped on quicker. You could include Ricardo Fuller to the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Really odd statement. He did great for sunthorpe, he didn't hit the brick wall, the club hit the brick wall because they could sustain it. Look at where they are now? a poor L1 side....he did a marvelous job for them, and to say Adkins hit a brick wall is silly - it was the club which wasn't geared to go any further than they did. Don't forget that Lard is desperate for Adkins to fail. you have been wrong for about a year...so no drama there Well,he is at a club geared up to go further now,but as you stated he has not been at a club that can set it's sights higher than a S****horpe that hit a brick wall....so can he match our ambitions or is he going to falter,time will tell,but to those who still maintain he is all conquering and beyond reproach as they were when he was first installed,i think you should take a step back and wait for him to really achieve something on his own merits. I don't want him to fail,just put him into prospective eh..... Something is still far from perfect.....even though many think Adkins is perfection personified. I have not been wrong for about a year,at this moment my concerns are coming to the forefront....**** poor away from,and yet to convince me he can operate in a transfer window,bloody hell,Forte,Bignall,N'guessan,De Ridder...FFS...so very mediocre. and the fall out with Puncheon this should have been put to bed for the better of the club, these are mistakes......our recent performances both home and away have been less than convincing. So to all those convinced he is the messiah.....put a bit of balance on it.He makes mistakes,but some of you are so blind to them it is incredible. We are stuttering along,not marching on convincingly at all.So very lucky that many of the chasing pack are **** poor. We are top of the league,well done,but the job has hardly started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubby Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Having just seen the highlights on Player - am I the only one that thinks Kelvin should have held on to the first shot from distance which led to their goal? I said the same in post 217. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 One loss can't undo all the good work from 2011, it was a great year to be a Saints fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Well,he is at a club geared up to go further now,but as you stated he has not been at a club that can set it's sights higher than a S****horpe that hit a brick wall....so can he match our ambitions or is he going to falter,time will tell,but to those who still maintain he is all conquering and beyond reproach as they were when he was first installed,i think you should take a step back and wait for him to really achieve something on his own merits. I don't want him to fail,just put him into prospective eh..... Something is still far from perfect.....even though many think Adkins is perfection personified. I have not been wrong for about a year,at this moment my concerns are coming to the forefront....**** poor away from,and yet to convince me he can operate in a transfer window,bloody hell,Forte,Bignall,N'guessan,De Ridder...FFS...so very mediocre. and the fall out with Puncheon this should have been put to bed for the better of the club, these are mistakes......our recent performances both home and away have been less than convincing. So to all those convinced he is the messiah.....put a bit of balance on it.He makes mistakes,but some of you are so blind to them it is incredible. We are stuttering along,not marching on convincingly at all.So very lucky that many of the chasing pack are **** poor. We are top of the league,well done,but the job has hardly started. Including SDR in that list is absolutely stupid. He's on another level to all of those players. I also notice that you conveniently miss out Chaplow, Hoovield and Fox. I would say he's matching our ambitions so far, and whilst this month has been very poor in terms of points returns, you cannot ignore the previous months when we certainly were marching on... Everyone makes mistakes, but you only want to focus on those for some reason and you ignore all the good things he's brought to us in the time he's been here. Personally the speed of the turnout since MK Dons away a year or so ago is immense and quicker than anyone could have imagined, and Adkins has played a massive role in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 We are top of the league,well done,but the job has hardly started. seriously...are you taking the pish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Oh noes, it looks like West Ham are giving us a run for that 17th place in the league. Boro came so close to winning the title yesterday, but that late equaliser has condemned them to midtable obscurity at the end of the season. Tough luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 1 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Including SDR in that list is absolutely stupid. He's on another level to all of those players. I also notice that you conveniently miss out Chaplow, Hoovield and Fox. I would say he's matching our ambitions so far, and whilst this month has been very poor in terms of points returns, you cannot ignore the previous months when we certainly were marching on... Everyone makes mistakes, but you only want to focus on those for some reason and you ignore all the good things he's brought to us in the time he's been here. Personally the speed of the turnout since MK Dons away a year or so ago is immense and quicker than anyone could have imagined, and Adkins has played a massive role in that. Add Cork to that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Well,he is at a club geared up to go further now,but as you stated he has not been at a club that can set it's sights higher than a S****horpe that hit a brick wall....so can he match our ambitions or is he going to falter,time will tell,but to those who still maintain he is all conquering and beyond reproach as they were when he was first installed,i think you should take a step back and wait for him to really achieve something on his own merits. I don't want him to fail,just put him into prospective eh..... Something is still far from perfect.....even though many think Adkins is perfection personified. I have not been wrong for about a year,at this moment my concerns are coming to the forefront....**** poor away from,and yet to convince me he can operate in a transfer window,bloody hell,Forte,Bignall,N'guessan,De Ridder...FFS...so very mediocre. and the fall out with Puncheon this should have been put to bed for the better of the club, these are mistakes......our recent performances both home and away have been less than convincing. So to all those convinced he is the messiah.....put a bit of balance on it.He makes mistakes,but some of you are so blind to them it is incredible. We are stuttering along,not marching on convincingly at all.So very lucky that many of the chasing pack are **** poor. We are top of the league,well done,but the job has hardly started. Jos, fox, de ridder, cork= all sh1t players of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Add Cork to that list. jeez, and cork. shocked I missed him! makes his point even more weak tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Red Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 That is a disgusting statement quite frankly. Maybe, but factually accurate. I'm racking by brains for some data to contradict it but other than a bit of crap aimed at Paul Telfer, I can't think of any..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Red Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 ...although maybe I should have read the 20 posts that followed it before posting. A bit of data there....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Don't go on about Cork.......Cork had already been here,and from what i am led to believe he took very little persuasion to return. So Fox and Hoilveld are seemingly good aquisitions....and the rest of his signings? mediocre?...mediocrity in the Premiership will get you nothing. Lets see what he does this window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Don't go on about Cork.......Cork had already been here,and from what i am led to believe he took very little persuasion to return. So Fox and Hoilveld are seemingly good aquisitions....and the rest of his signings? mediocre?...mediocrity in the Premiership will get you nothing. Lets see what he does this window. luckily, we are not in the prem cork chaplow hooivled rubbish eh..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Don't go on about Cork.......Cork had already been here,and from what i am led to believe he took very little persuasion to return. So Fox and Hoilveld are seemingly good aquisitions....and the rest of his signings? mediocre?...mediocrity in the Premiership will get you nothing. Lets see what he does this window. Why don't you count cork? that's stupid. He wasn't our player, ti takes our current management setup to decide that thy need him, and our current management setup to ask him to join. Trust me, it took alot of work to get him to join. He had plenty of offers, although no other clubs had matched our bid. We did a good job getting him, and it had nothing to do with the fact he was here before. It's clear to me now that you want him to fail just so you can justify your opinion, which I don't understand. You're looking for issues which aren't really there, and blowing up slight faults into these crazy situations that in your head indicate that he's not that good. You are probably the only person who holds these views, even neutrals and pundits would look at your comments in disbelief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 There's a massive difference between a signing and a loan - loans are admissions that the player is a temporary measure, often a bit of backup or a risk that might not pay off. With the exception of Forte, most of NA's duds have fallen in the loan category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 that's why I called him shotspiller yesterday, does it a lot,had already done it before in that game,got turned in as well but it was offside. We need a new keeper, one who commands his box and doesn't spill shots.Look at Spurs without Gomes,even the 40 year old Friedel is more solid, probably less spectacular but he holds onto shots and takes crosses off his line.If we had had James we would not have lost on Friday night. James is a great keeper - but like any keeper he makes mistakes too (unless you are denying his nickname is "Calamity")? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Having just seen the highlights on Player - am I the only one that thinks Kelvin should have held on to the first shot from distance which led to their goal?you're not the only one, he should have done much better with that one and the one before that Maynard scored from but was deemed offside. He'll be very disappointed with that, but he did make two brilliant saves to keep us level before hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 James is a great keeper - but like any keeper he makes mistakes too (unless you are denying his nickname is "Calamity")?his kicking was woeful as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 James is a great keeper - but like any keeper he makes mistakes too (unless you are denying his nickname is "Calamity")? But that was the Old James who couldn't keep up his concentration due to Tomb Raider marathons.Think he even got some rehab for it.I jest you not,he was one of the first and best known video game junkies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 There's a massive difference between a signing and a loan - loans are admissions that the player is a temporary measure, often a bit of backup or a risk that might not pay off. With the exception of Forte, most of NA's duds have fallen in the loan category.good point, I think though that the Forte signing undermines him a bit. It was such a weird signing. I guess it depends how much he cost. If it was £100,000, then no one will mind, but if it was £800,000 say, then it is a very poor signing. However all his other perm signings have been great so even with that relative dud his record has been good to date building well on Pardew's brilliant signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 1 January, 2012 Author Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Don't go on about Cork.......Cork had already been here,and from what i am led to believe he took very little persuasion to return. So Fox and Hoilveld are seemingly good aquisitions....and the rest of his signings? mediocre?...mediocrity in the Premiership will get you nothing. Lets see what he does this window. He also played for Adkins at S****horpe for the whole season 2007-08, so was he re-joining Adkins or our club, his few months here under Portvliet and Wotte can't have been a career highlight for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 He also played for Adkins at S****horpe for the whole season 2007-08, so was he re-joining Adkins or our club, his few months here under Portvliet and Wotte can't have been a career highlight for him. Notwithstanding this, the process was surprisingly drawn out, suggesting he took his time and NA had to fight to get him. He was settled at Burnley and if you believe the stories, several clubs were interested -quite a few of which had past dealings with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Why don't you count cork? that's stupid. He wasn't our player, ti takes our current management setup to decide that thy need him, and our current management setup to ask him to join. Trust me, it took alot of work to get him to join. He had plenty of offers, although no other clubs had matched our bid. We did a good job getting him, and it had nothing to do with the fact he was here before. It's clear to me now that you want him to fail just so you can justify your opinion, which I don't understand. You're looking for issues which aren't really there, and blowing up slight faults into these crazy situations that in your head indicate that he's not that good. You are probably the only person who holds these views, even neutrals and pundits would look at your comments in disbelief. lard is a real oddball.. this time last season.. he was full of it...full of it saying (or claiming) the players just don't play for adkins and that he was a poor manager....12 months on, we have been brilliant, pound for pound he best team in the country and sit top of the next league up, yet he still does not rate adkins...? he then says he signings are suspect....well, apart from de ridder as he is quite good....apart from hooivled, he is brilliant....apart from cork as he played for us when we were unbelievably shyt.....apart from chaplow as he is bald.....apart from fox as he is another left back....that leaves what...? forte..? yes you can have that one but those goals against MK Dons are worth his transfer alone.. apart from being nothing but brilliant for 12 months, getting performances out of the players that are a step up to what we thought...adkins is basically clueless...?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Oh noes, it looks like West Ham are giving us a run for that 17th place in the league. Boro came so close to winning the title yesterday, but that late equaliser has condemned them to midtable obscurity at the end of the season. Tough luck! Nice one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 his kicking was woeful as well Hardly, all his kicks went down the right and they won most as they took advantage of Lallana and Foxs poor ability in the air. Looking back the result sucked..but we got away with West Ham losing and Boro drawing, win at Brighton and I will be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 But that was the Old James who couldn't keep up his concentration due to Tomb Raider marathons.Think he even got some rehab for it.I jest you not,he was one of the first and best known video game junkies. Davis should have certainly done better for the first shot for their goal. He'd shown before that, that if tested he will spill it back into the 6 yard box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 January, 2012 Share Posted 1 January, 2012 Hardly, all his kicks went down the right and they won most as they took advantage of Lallana and Foxs poor ability in the air. you weren't watching closely enough, he sliced a lot, he struggled to get any distance (he barely made the half way line) and he put his team under pressure a few times with bad clearances. He looked like he was carrying an injury to me. We should have put him under more pressure as every time we chased it down he struggled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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