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ribbo

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ITK knowledge.

 

thanks for clearing that up CD, looks like worstcase is no live footy on the beeb next year, cant they get the Ryman League or have Sky got that too?

 

Looks like we're stuck with wall to wall olympics next year or womens football (if anyone decides to sign that up)

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Crazy Diamond

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thanks for clearing that up CD, looks like worstcase is no live footy on the beeb next year, cant they get the Ryman League or have Sky got that too?

 

Looks like we're stuck with wall to wall olympics next year or womens football (if anyone decides to sign that up)

 

The BBC were gutted enough to lose the F.A Cup, they've not got the England games and now probably no Football League. Not good for them.

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Crazy Diamond

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As has been mentioned before, they could get rid of some of the ridiculously overpaid presenters/pundits (and i'm not just talking about on MOTD here) and then they could afford the footy contracts.

 

They wouldn't do that because they know they'd be picked up by a competitor, which is a massive slap in the face. Look at the fuss when Ian Wright left - no great loss, he's an absolute tosser and added nothing to the programme.

 

It's very naive for all these people in the press to say it's facing the axe mid season I ought to add. The BBC wouldn't let it happen. These things are planned for up to a year in advance, it is extremely unlikely that they would run out of money like that. That and the fact they'd be well and truly in the **** with the Football League for not getting the highlights broadcasted.

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As mentioned above, whatever happens with the highlights, as long as they don't end up on ITV I don't think there will be too many problems.

 

While having coverage on the BBC has been good simply for the access it provides, I don't think they've really made the most of the platform they've paid for. They tried too hard to go for the "Television 2.0" model initially by allowing fans to email and text in, providing in effect a TV blog. Fortunately they realised it was a waste of time, but instead of increasing the amount of time each game got, they simply shortened the broadcast :Picard:

 

Whatever your views on Sky's pay-TV model, you can't deny that their coverage is excellent. As a result, I'll have no complaints if they get the full rights from next season, as long as they do offer something for the majority of the nation who don't subscribe to Sky Sports, even if that's just an online offering. I'd imagine a sizeable percentage of the Football League Show's current viewers watch via iPlayer anyway because of the time it's aired.

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I meant it in treat I would sooner see longer clips than listen to him talk. TBH I couldn't really give a monkeys what he has to say as its never anything ground breaking which is why I would bomb him off.

 

Hearing that it could go to sky though... FFS now I'm unhappy.

I still can't beleive you're slagging off Claridge....I still can't beleive i'm defending him.....i'm off to have three-in-a-bed sex with the Krankies to make myself feel better.

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Crazy Diamond

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As mentioned above, whatever happens with the highlights, as long as they don't end up on ITV I don't think there will be too many problems.

 

While having coverage on the BBC has been good simply for the access it provides, I don't think they've really made the most of the platform they've paid for. They tried too hard to go for the "Television 2.0" model initially by allowing fans to email and text in, providing in effect a TV blog. Fortunately they realised it was a waste of time, but instead of increasing the amount of time each game got, they simply shortened the broadcast :Picard:

 

Whatever your views on Sky's pay-TV model, you can't deny that their coverage is excellent. As a result, I'll have no complaints if they get the full rights from next season, as long as they do offer something for the majority of the nation who don't subscribe to Sky Sports, even if that's just an online offering. I'd imagine a sizeable percentage of the Football League Show's current viewers watch via iPlayer anyway because of the time it's aired.

 

Since it changed from live to pre-recorded, the emails bit had to be dropped. It's also just a way of saving time. It wasn't a case of it not being a success or not.

 

Either way I was glad it went - Lizzy Greenwood-Hughes (who was really ****ed off to lose the spot, I should add) spoke way too fast, made too many errors and the whole section was just pointless.

 

In my opinion, the BBC did good in just getting the contract to begin with. When it was first announced we were all quite taken back by it after Sky's years of dominance, and to have that handful of live games too? Incredible. Having been to the set I can tell you that the BBC have very little say in how it looks, it's ESPN/Disney's studio after all.

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Upton72

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I think Claridge is a brilliant pundit. He manages to be knowledgeable and articulate about 72 clubs every week. He is the best pundit on the BBC in my opinion.

 

He does know his stuff; really knowledgeable and infinitely less biased than he was a season back.

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VectisSaint

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Slightly odd.

Not at all, if he said something that some would consider derogatory then it would not materially change my opinion of Claridge, who I (and it seems most others on here) consider very knowledgeable, and usually very fair. One bad comment about a Saints player does not alter a general opinion of a person. As I don't know what was said, I can't comment on whether it was deserved or not, being a Saints player does not mean you are above criticism.

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SaintBobby

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I'm presently away in Las Vegas and the quantity of quality of sports punditry is just stunning. The American equivalents of Shearer, Hansen and Lawrenson wouldn't get close to a studio here.

 

The pundits here are knowledgeable, controversial and opinionated without being OTT. The format of the punditry programmes is designed to make them voice an actual point of view.

 

It's almost inconceivable that someone on TV over here would say something like "well, I think it's going to be a very tight game, Brian, and the first goal will be crucial" which seems to be the default prediction in the UK.

 

Similarly, a team doing poorly wouldn't have Shearer and Hansen muttering "I fear for them, Gary".

 

There's no cosiness with the players. Those who aren't cutting it are called out.

 

I agree with those who say Claridge is one of the better football pundits. At least he edges towards stating an opinion most of the time.

 

Given the BBC has so many platforms, I'm surprised that the rights to Football League matches doesn't generate about ten hours a week of television. The FLS should just be the flagship.

 

A two hour "Championship round up" with extended coverage and serious punditry at 10am-noon on a Sunday morning would, for example, get stratospheric viewing figures on BBC3.

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Dr Who?

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Match of the day should be on earlier, or the football league show should be on Sunday morning. It is not good news for the clubs outside the premier league.

 

There should be a program for every league and the blue square. I would love to see some highlights from the lower league games.

 

The football league show is a great way of supporters seeing teams from outside the premier league.

 

I can watch saints live or on the saints player, but on the bigger scale of things this is a huge loss for football.

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saint si

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Cuts to the BBC, what do people expect? Something has to be dropped.

 

I think the point is that the priorities are all wrong. People want to see footage of actual football, not a bunch of ex-Liverpool defenders trotting out the same old tired cliches.

 

Hundreds of thousands of fans of dozens of clubs up and down the country will be short-changed by this. Losing 2 hours of the football league show and getting what in return? More "analysis" of the premier league.

 

It's crap. I don't care if we're affected by this or not (if we get promotion), it's just yet another way for the premier league and its media entourage to distance itself from proper football.

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Not at all, if he said something that some would consider derogatory then it would not materially change my opinion of Claridge, who I (and it seems most others on here) consider very knowledgeable, and usually very fair. One bad comment about a Saints player does not alter a general opinion of a person. As I don't know what was said, I can't comment on whether it was deserved or not, being a Saints player does not mean you are above criticism.

 

What if he said Chaplow was a monkey sh*gging gaylord nazi who he'd like to stab in the a*shole with a rusty spoon??

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Crazy Diamond

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If the show was such a ratings winner (commecial success) why did one of ITV, C4 or Five not pick up the rights? That's right folks, it wasn't worth what the BBC paid for it.

 

It wouldn't interest Channel Four. I'm still scratching my head as to why they did the whole Italian football thing even now. You're probably right though, are any of the rights holders getting value for money?

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St Chalet

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It wouldn't interest Channel Four. I'm still scratching my head as to why they did the whole Italian football thing even now. You're probably right though, are any of the rights holders getting value for money?

 

From memory the Italian Football deal coincided with Gazza's move to Lazio. The rights would have appeared good value for what at the time was seen as the #1 league in the world.

 

The Football League has a small albeit hardcore following, but because of competition against the media machine that is the EPL and no market for the FL internationally it's best hope is to be carried at a 'fair' rate by Sky or ESPN.

 

To bring it back to the thread, I believe the BBC (by winning the rights) defacto paid over the odds.

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Crazy Diamond

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From memory the Italian Football deal coincided with Gazza's move to Lazio. The rights would have appeared good value for what at the time was seen as the #1 league in the world.

 

The Football League has a small albeit hardcore following, but because of competition against the media machine that is the EPL and no market for the FL internationally it's best hope is to be carried at a 'fair' rate by Sky or ESPN.

 

To bring it back to the thread, I believe the BBC (by winning the rights) defacto paid over the odds.

 

And yet CH4 kept showing it long after Gazza had gone - they were still doing it a couple of years ago with Mark Chapman.

 

As for a 'small albeit hardcore following' I'm not so sure about that, and I genuinely believe it's a great loss. The only complaints I've heard of with the FLS are the timing, which I think is better than ITV's Saturday morning slot on the whole, and the studio. There are worse studios out there, so I'm not going to buy that argument.

 

Compared to what ITV offered, the FLS is an absolute revelation. I remember in our first season out of the Prem we played Millwall at the Den. The cameraman found the sight of planes taking off from City airport more interesting and overall it was just f*cking abysmal. Remember Djamel Belmadi's finish after that fine passing move against Plymouth? We saw literally the ball arrive at his feet and him put it into the back of the net for 'highlights'. It was a ten, perhaps more, pass move!

 

The BBC may never be able to compete with Sky, but they gave it a good try and did well in my opinion.

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St Chalet

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I do agree Crazy Diamond that the BBC have done a much better job than the road crash that was ITV's 'The Championship'.

 

I also believe that the show will be a loss. That said I think if the rights drop as a result a Free to Air broadcaster will pick it up and hopefully do a good job.

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saint_jas

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I actually don't think the FL show it is too bad, get to see the goals and if people wants to see extended highlights wait a few days or on the saints player.

 

ITV coverage when they did it was shocking and at a ridiculous time at night.

OK Claridge is a bit of a tool, but so far he has been praising saints a lot this season...

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St_Tel49

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It's a shame, but the Football League show was never a standalone thing for me - always supplemented it with Saints Player.

 

It's a much better experience this year, on account of them putting the Championship first, but they cover a lot of games in a very short time period.

 

It has always been a bit crap though.

The last clause of your second sentence provides the explanation for your third sentence. The only way that the FLS could be any good is for it to be shown for three hours on a Sunday morning. Then every club would get a bit more exposure and more fans would watch. And I have to disagree with some comments above. Pete Claridge has far more knowledge of the lower leagues that almost any other pundit and I have never found his comments on us to be anything other that fair in the context that they were made. OK - so he once played for the Skates - get over it.

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The9

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Interesting things about the FL Show I have realised from this thread.

 

1) They changed the format and got rid of that crappy email bit and I didn't even notice.

2) ALL of the talking bits are utterly redundant and nobody could possibly care less what any of the presenters or pundit(s) say anyway.

3) If the BBC want to cut costs, just show the bloody highlights in SD for an hour, thereby improving the show approximately 200%.

4) As I now have Virgin Media, I don't care who gets it as long as it's not JUST Sky.

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