Saint Charlie Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 His agent is saying in the Echo today that he wants another chance. Would you give it to him? Personally I would unless we can bring in better. He would be a great option to have and is miles better than Holmes, Forte etc. If he was 100% committed there is no doubting he is a good player but I think the boo boys might not agree. Perhaps a poll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 I would....if he really wanted it he could be a good player....and would cost us nothing to solve a problem till the end of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 I've changed my mind. Yes, I would. I suspect player and agent have received a major dose of reality over the past 6 months. Those clubs lining up to buy him have melted away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Whether he gets another chance entirely depends on his attitude ! If he knuckles down and complies exactly with NA's direction then yes, but any signs of petulance or "billybig****** attitudes" then absolutely NO ! We have seen what can be achieved with a fantastic team ethic and we do not want that compromised by any bad apples.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 (edited) Dont know if spouting off in the media is the best way to start - might be seen as trying to corner us. Edited 22 December, 2011 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 I would, even though he's a bit of a ***t, purely because he would give balance to the midfield which has been lacking lately... don't know if Cortese and Adkins will be so willing though? May have burnt his bridges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Does a leopard change his spots ? We could do with a player of his skill right now, but only NA knows whether he is right for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithd Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 As has been said maybe talking to the media first isnt the way to do it. But then again there may have been phone calls between the player and club asking if there's a chance, a way back, and he may have got positive feedback i.e if you keep your head down, knuckle down and show the right attitude. He's got potential, could be an integral part of our post Christmas push for promotion. He's got pace we lack in some areas He is a **** tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 No. Just read the squarehead twitter stuff. He simply does not fit into the TEAM ethic. He is an outsider, made his own bed and has to lie in it. It is only 10 days until we can sign a player with the RIGHT attitude & ethic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2011 He hasn't slagged us off in he media, and on Twitter has been very complimentary since being at QPR. I guess we are probably the best team he could play for at the moment, which might explain the agent talk. One thing for sure, we shouldnt loan him out again. Either sell or play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 It seems mad that we have a good player already on the books, who could be doing a good job for us. not being used. Surely what every caused the break down between the player and club enough time has gone past that that Puncheon should be given a second chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2011 No. Just read the squarehead twitter stuff. He simply does not fit into the TEAM ethic. He is an outsider, made his own bed and has to lie in it. It is only 10 days until we can sign a player with the RIGHT attitude & ethic. What is the bad attitude stuff based on? On the pitch he used to work very hard I always thought, and always wanted the ball. He certainly fits the style of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 No. Just read the squarehead twitter stuff. He simply does not fit into the TEAM ethic. He is an outsider, made his own bed and has to lie in it. It is only 10 days until we can sign a player with the RIGHT attitude & ethic. Got a bit more time for him - was on twitter earlier on in the season congratulating Lallana on the team's and AL's performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 He's probably realised what an idiot he was, moaning that when with us in L1 it was below his level. We've risen through the leagues quicker than anyone could have imagined and probably attractive for lots of players at the moment, so It would not surprise me if he wants to give it another go here. He was a bit of an idiot, but the fans ganging up on him at the start of last season really didn't help things. On hsi day he is a premiership player as we saw with Blackpool and he'd add that pace and skill down the right hand side that we're missing at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 He (imo) deserves a second chance if he recognises what caused the break-apart in the first place and acknowledge his role in the break-apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambertsrightleg Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 I hated him until i followed him on twitter but he seems to be very complimentary towards us. Does he deserve a 3rd chance? no doubt he has talent but it's up to NA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Yes, yes, yes. Takes alot to swallow your pride. Get him on the bus as he could be key, and can score goals! Please NA work it out. COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 depends entirely if this is a genuine dose of humility of if it is a cynical plot to get him playing in the premiership again. He could be an excellent player for us, but what is utterly clear this year is its not about individuals its about the whole team ethic. Depends on how many bridges he burned on the way out last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Like I said on the other thread..... If he gets his head down and doesn't do his sulking act, he is one hell of a player at this level, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 I'd take him back in a flash - if he demonstrates some contrition and NA can smoke the peace pipe we would have a potent attacking player to help us to the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutwood2 Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Surely depends if the other players want him back. If they don't get on with him then there's little point despite his ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Its his agent playing to the christmas spirit theme cards as no other club wants him. Maybe peter pan sorry puncheon has seen the bright lights of SMS and wants to return to the stable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 If he's a PL quality player how come he hasn't played for QPR much? Look there is no doubting that he has ability, unfortunately the very simple answer from the sidelines is that his ability is less than he thinks it is. Many of the same posters who are on the perpetual Puncheon threads wanting to welcome him back were on the match or post match threads saying how krap he was. Our success this season has been built upon a unity of purpose and spirit. He was convinced he was too good to play with the bulk of our squad in L1. How many of you lot had c()cks like that in your pub teams when you were kids. He believed he was too good for us. Well, now we are too good for him. Like I said the transfer window is 10 days away. He will go on loan or he will rot with the kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 We should have cashed in on him during the summer when we had the chance, a fee of £750/800k might have made a difference when bidding for our centre forward or centre back targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesb Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 I would for sure. If you read all the posts on what we need, he could provide it. Worth a go instead of playing our 3 centre midfield players all together. Bring him in for these two home games if fit. If he buys into NA's vision and toes the line, what is the problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 If he's a PL quality player how come he hasn't played for QPR much? Look there is no doubting that he has ability, unfortunately the very simple answer from the sidelines is that his ability is less than he thinks it is. Many of the same posters who are on the perpetual Puncheon threads wanting to welcome him back were on the match or post match threads saying how krap he was. Our success this season has been built upon a unity of purpose and spirit. He was convinced he was too good to play with the bulk of our squad in L1. How many of you lot had c()cks like that in your pub teams when you were kids. He believed he was too good for us. Well, now we are too good for him. Like I said the transfer window is 10 days away. He will go on loan or he will rot with the kids.need You're right about the success of the club being built on team spirit and purpose this season - but; as a dip in performance and results have started the need for an injection of talent is urgent - spirit and purpose are no longer enough - and JP has it, and he's our player on an existing contract, Though he's been a dill in the past there's no evidence he has bad mouthed the club. Bring him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 If QPR do not want him and nobody else does, then Saints are forced to take him back under the terms of his contract. Whether he plays or not is a different matter. We do not really know how he upset Management, but he has never stayed at any club long, so there must be a reason. I do not know when his current contract expires but we must be careful in integrating him into the squad again. In saying that, everyone is entitled to a second chance. but if he has already been given that, I am sure his agent can find him a placement, unless he wishes to do a "Wayne Bridge" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 he is a good player but I think the boo boys might not agree. If he really wants to make the effort he'll need to accept he may get some stick to start with, man the feck up,and just get on with it. Let your football do the talking Puncheon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svetigpung Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 as a player , YES. Can't forget how he tore Leeds apart last year. as a person , No. seems a right d1ck. there you go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 If he's a PL quality player how come he hasn't played for QPR much? Look there is no doubting that he has ability, unfortunately the very simple answer from the sidelines is that his ability is less than he thinks it is. Many of the same posters who are on the perpetual Puncheon threads wanting to welcome him back were on the match or post match threads saying how krap he was. Our success this season has been built upon a unity of purpose and spirit. He was convinced he was too good to play with the bulk of our squad in L1. How many of you lot had c()cks like that in your pub teams when you were kids. He believed he was too good for us. Well, now we are too good for him. Like I said the transfer window is 10 days away. He will go on loan or he will rot with the kids. Kids and pub teams ????? Also can anyone point me to were Puncheon said he was to good to play in league 1 with the current team? All I can recall is after his first game for Millwall he said it was nice to have a manager who appreciated him. I don't think there was any problem with his team mates more an issue between him and NA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Puncheon at his best with the right attitude or SDR - not much of a decision really as we are looking for a quality right sided player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Surely he has spent enough time out in the wilderness to make a point. He has eighteen months left on his contract. I believe, so I think a decision must be made during this coming transfer window - either he comes back into the squad or we get rid, even if it's at a loss. If he gets on and stays on the bus he really could add another dimension to our midfield, something we need at the moment with Chaplow crocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourno Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 If NA picks him he will get my support. But he had better track back when he loses the ball!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Prefer he moved on...don't agree that he has pace and do believe that he would disrupt what sounds like an excellent dressing room. He and his agent have obviously drawn blanks elsewhere and are using the Echo (friend of SFC...?) to test the water or apply pressure to make him look better...I don't hear that Newcastle are chasing and it was Pardew who signed him. I'd say bye, Charlton might be hiring..Palarse, note that Millwall aren't battering the door down?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Puncheon at his best with the right attitude or SDR - not much of a decision really as we are looking for a quality right sided player Isn't he left footed? Don't really see why he's necesarily a right sided player when he's all left foot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 If its helps our promotion push then yes. However if it disrupts the team spirit then no. Its a fine balance. He could be used in a swap deal. Im sure their are other Championship teams who would take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 I can't help but think that he's after another chance because he has nothing better on the table for himself - perhaps a tad cynical but I'm afraid it appears to be the truth. At the end of the day though the argument was between him and NA, but if they can come to an agreement for the good of the club then that would be great. We could do with a player of his ability and he is still our registered player of course. He would essentially be a completely free transfer for us in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Sod it, make it clear that this is last chance saloon and give him a go (assuming he's at the required level of match fitness and mentally prepared). Lots of talk at the moment about needing a right-sided midfielder slash winger - if it worked out he could be as good as a new signing. The way we're making do on the right flank at the moment I'm not even sure that risking a couple of disinterested Punch performances would be a massive gamble. We won't ever be certain of the ins and outs of the tale, but a lot of time has passed since whatever caused the spat. He's conducted himself fairly well of late, in my opinion at least. You can point to his desperation to seal the QPR loan deal, but there's a positive spin to take from that in that he wanted to ply his trade rather than sit out his contract counting the money. There's passion there if it can be redirected to the right places! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 I've never had a problem with him and never understood all the vitriol towards him. He had an argument with the assistant manager, no one knows what it was about, but because a few fans didn't fancy him as a player the whole world seemed to decide that he was a **** with 99.9% of fans never having met him in their lives. I'm not sure he'd get in the side though, with or without Chaplow, oh and he isn't pacey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Karloff Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Would he be so keen to come back if we were bottom of the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 At the start of last season he was poor. He did not like how fans reacted. He went off on loan to Millwall, where he looked as though he was playing well. He played against Blackpool in the cup when he came back & it was tangible how the crowd was supporting him. What does he decide to do?? F.O. again to Blackpool. Start of this year he was again looking elsewhere so he clears off to QPR. How many chances does he want?? Without doubt the boy can play, but IMHO he is not as good as AL or AOC so was not in the team on merit. We dont have AOC (I wish we did) anymore & from what I can see he is at least equal to if not better than what we have. If he is committed to us, prepared to train hard & do what NA tells him I would give him another chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 I'm not sure we can risk his "attitude" unsettling "the bus". But if there are no takers, we are stuck with him. So, if he works at it to regain NA's approval then he will be available for selection; if not, then bugger off and train on his own or with Forecast in the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 He's realised it's not really going to happen in the Prem that quickly and that Cortese isn't going to sell him for nothing. I would definitely give him another chance. He's a skillful winger with a bit of pace and he's already on our books. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 An in-form and interested Puncheon would be like a new signing. But he has to make sure he is committed to the cause. Im sure Nige wont even consider him unless he works his arse off for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Trouble is that Saints fans are not forgiving fans. A small minority of fans were prepared to sacrifice the club's premiership status rather than take Hoddle back n 2004, so what chance has Puncheon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 :rolleyes:Nigel it is over to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Trouble is that Saints fans are not forgiving fans. A small minority of fans were prepared to sacrifice the club's premiership status rather than take Hoddle back n 2004, so what chance has Puncheon ? Are you really a teacher??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Saint Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 For all that don't use twitter, he just posted this seconds ago. jasonpunch Jason Puncheon As I said when I signed saints will be in the prem within the 3/half yrs of my contract which looks more than likely it's gona be ahead....Of schedule....naturally people gona look an say he only wants to come bk cos where top an some want him bk cos there's a shortage....On the right hand side...when all goes wrong who gets the flak then...just like there trying to get on gulys back an were top of the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 For all that don't use twitter, he just posted this seconds ago. jasonpunch Jason Puncheon As I said when I signed saints will be in the prem within the 3/half yrs of my contract which looks more than likely it's gona be ahead....Of schedule....naturally people gona look an say he only wants to come bk cos where top an some want him bk cos there's a shortage....On the right hand side...when all goes wrong who gets the flak then...just like there trying to get on gulys back an were top of the league Nothing wrong with any of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Trouble is that Saints fans are not forgiving fans. A small minority of fans were prepared to sacrifice the club's premiership status rather than take Hoddle back n 2004, so what chance has Puncheon ? I suppose a small minority could be 1, really don't think any "fans" would have really said this. If anyone did say this then really they are not SFC fans, sound more like the mongs at Blackburn. The real reason to not have Hoddle back was because he had proven himself to be crap unless he was partnered by John Gorman. Hoddle + Gorman = good partnership, Hoddle - Gorman = below average manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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