DanW Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 With all the talk of what we need to bring in during the transfer window, it sounds to me like we need a whole new team. So I ask you lot, in a bit of fun and new way to think about our 1st Place team.... which positions do we NOT need to bring in players for? I think we're good at left back. I think we're good at center-mid. It sounds like we could use more at every other position, though, right? Either as a starter or as depth? Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 We don't need a rb at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 Definitely need a better defender at right back. Most richardson's good work is going forward. We can probably improve every position, we're not Barcelona. If everyone is fit, no one area is desperately crying out for improvement in the championship though. right midfield maybe? Not sure you read the OP's starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 We are ok in goal, rb, lb, cb (If Jaidi and Seabourne return to fitness in New year) and cm. Leaving a new right mid, centre forward and left midfield for january. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 GK - Davis as good as any at this level. Bart is decent back up, despite some ridiculous, one match, knee jerk reactions. LB - Flooded with decent options RB - FR and Butters both quality at this level. Frazer I think could still play in PL. CB - Jos and Fonte are as good a partnership as any in NpC. Martin and Cork good back up. CM - Chaplow, Morgan, Hammond and Cork. 4 fantastic options in the middle. LM - Lallana obvious. Holmes is decent enough, but I'd like to replace him with a quicker, less injury prone option. Fox, Schteve, Chaplow and Dickson can play here too. That just leaves RM and up front we need to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 We should always be looking to improve on what we have. If better becomes available in any position then we should buy them. Although obviously in certain positions this could be very expensive and unlikely whilst in the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 'Bart is decent back up' Christ on a bike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 Funny how about a month ago people were still wanted Bart to play instead of Kelvin, now after one game, people don't want him to play for us again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 For me we don't need a centre forward, Left or right centre back(?),left or right back,attacking central midfielder(which I see as a Lallana type position,holding midfielder, or ball winning attacking midfielder. That leaves us needing a keeper,central midfielder,speedy striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 It seems to me that what we need is a bit of cover rather than direct replacements. Cover for Rickie, cover for Connolly/Barnard, cover for Chaplow seems about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 Forward, and someone on the right mid or wing. Maybe a goalkeeper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 Forward, and someone on the right mid or wing. Maybe a goalkeeper! Read the OP again, slowly this time and try and comprehend what point is being discussed. FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 There are aren't any.... having read this forum it's clear we need at least 22 new players two for every postion (ideally the second player in each postion being better than 1st teamer) if we hope to achieve anything....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 Funny how about a month ago people were still wanted Bart to play instead of Kelvin, now after one game, people don't want him to play for us again. somehow, don't think it was the same people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 There are aren't any.... having read this forum it's clear we need at least 22 new players two for every postion (ideally the second player in each postion being better than 1st teamer) if we hope to achieve anything....... this is the same discussion in another form...but look at it this way... If you think we are going to stay in the CC next season ..not a lot of problems (except up front ... alternatively, which are our present players ... is of Premiership quality ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 It seems to me that what we need is a bit of cover rather than direct replacements. Cover for Rickie, cover for Connolly/Barnard, cover for Chaplow seems about it. Ah ! what a sensible comment. ...but many people on here are suggesting that we shouldn't bother with anyone who isn't as good as those players we already have ...and even if we did, we shouldn't sign them ... in case we upset the present first team incumbents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 this is the same discussion in another form...but look at it this way... If you think we are going to stay in the CC next season ..not a lot of problems (except up front ... alternatively, which are our present players ... is of Premiership quality ? Definitely Lambert, Cork, Lallana, Fox. Probably Fonte, Hooliveld, Richardson Possibly Chaplow, Schniderlin, Guly, Hammond, Davis, Martin, Holmes, SDR Not Harding, Butterfield, Seaborne, Barnard, Bart Doensn't matter, they'll retire by then Jaidi, Connolly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 strangely enough ..I agree with all that Turkish, but that's only 14 players likely to be " good enough.." That means we need to get another ...EIGHT ?...(if we are to have two players for each position). ( we can't really talk about eventual Academy prospects as (almost) none have even had debut yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 strangely enough ..I agree with all that Turkish, but that's only 14 players likely to be " good enough.." That means we need to get another ...EIGHT ?...(if we are to have two players for each position). ( we can't really talk about eventual Academy prospects as (almost) none have even had debut yet) I guess it does. 3 in January would do to get us there. Then 5 in the summer if we are up. Paul Robinson in goal would be a must buy as Blackburn look doomed for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 I guess it does. 3 in January would do to get us there. Then 5 in the summer if we are up. Paul Robinson in goal would be a must buy as Blackburn look doomed for starters. OK great. We're agreed then. Will you e-mail Adkins, or shall I ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 21 December, 2011 Share Posted 21 December, 2011 We all have one or two players that we feel won't make the step up with us. I actually believe that we might let a couple go if we have replaced with better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowds Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 What positions don't we need? Simply NONE we can improve on every position! No one in our team should be comfortable or seen as irreplaceable!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Definitely need a better defender at right back. Most richardson's good work is going forward. We can probably improve every position, we're not Barcelona. If everyone is fit, no one area is desperately crying out for improvement in the championship though. right midfield maybe? Very true we can improve our team in every position. Not sure how we would be placed if we had had the injuries that West Ham have had I believe we are looking at a foreign RM at the moment But Priorities are RM Striker CB Goalkeeper so that we can cover for injuries and suspensions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Ah ! what a sensible comment. ...but many people on here are suggesting that we shouldn't bother with anyone who isn't as good as those players we already have ...and even if we did, we shouldn't sign them ... in case we upset the present first team incumbents. No it's not! We have quite a few championship quality players, what we want are Premiership quality players. Why feel the need to load the team up with 'backup' players, we need to be looking for better than we have at present. Some on here would have us spend precious money on players, not fit for purpose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 No it's not! We have quite a few championship quality players, what we want are Premiership quality players. Why feel the need to load the team up with 'backup' players, we need to be looking for better than we have at present. Some on here would have us spend precious money on players, not fit for purpose! Quite. The obsession on here with back up players is rather odd. All that would give us is a bloated squad with 11 decent players then 20 players not as good happy to just sit about collecting a wage and playing when called on due to injuries and suspensions. Heres annovel idea, how about we improve the team and sign better than we have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 We are lacking pace up front. Blindly obvious in the last few games. Therefore for me, A Rickie type up front as cover and a pacey winger ( like Adomah was against us at Bristol). That will get us in the Premiership and in the summer we shall need a rethink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 We are lacking pace up front. Blindly obvious in the last few games. Therefore for me, A Rickie type up front as cover and a pacey winger ( like Adomah was against us at Bristol). That will get us in the Premiership and in the summer we shall need a rethink. There we go again (as cover), why not as our first choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 There we go again (as cover), why not as our first choice? How much is a striker better than Lambert going to cost us..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 How much is a striker better than Lambert going to cost us..... Depends where you get him from. Are you of the belief, that we should only be looking at a backup player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK_Phoey Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Personally if we are serious about going up and competing don't think we should be trying to sign any back up players to our current squad, should be signing players who will take the place of any current first teamer. No exceptions. Having said that there are some positions that we should prioritise over others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 How much is a striker better than Lambert going to cost us..... It need not be someone better than him right now. If we can find the next Beattie or Kenwyne Jones from somewhere. A young lad with a physical presence, who could develop into a Premier League striker. Hopefully our scouting network can show a bit of it's mettle here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 We don't need the missionary position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanW Posted 22 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Some good discussion, this. If we are looking for Prem quality players as we "plan" to be promoted, then we need more at every position. If we are looking to just "hopefully" get promoted, then we don't need players at a number of spots. How the club looks at its future will determine how the club goes about its business during the transfer window. I love Lambert and Lallana, but if we had the chance to get someone better (Carlos Tevez is pretty unhappy these days!) then let's do it. If we want our club to operate successfully in the long term then they need to think of a business model for the long term which often means thinking of this as a business and coldly relating to the individual players. Sell them off if someone rates them more valuable than we do. Buy players that are undervalued elsewhere. That kind of stuff. So with that in mind, I think we are set with our midfield except on the right (I think SDR was supposed to be the guy, but clearly Adkins doesn't trust him), and the Fox/Harding combo for left back should serve us well into the long-term future. Otherwise, as long as the club has a clear plan in the backroom then anyone should be fair game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 It need not be someone better than him right now. If we can find the next Beattie or Kenwyne Jones from somewhere. A young lad with a physical presence, who could develop into a Premier League striker. Hopefully our scouting network can show a bit of it's mettle here. Exactly, we will not get a player as good as Rickie as that person would not be prepared to sit on the bench each week rather than start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 The toilets are always spick-n-span before the game, so we don't need a new cleaner. But the bloke who heats the pasties up definitely needs replacing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 December, 2011 Share Posted 23 December, 2011 No it's not! We have quite a few championship quality players, what we want are Premiership quality players. Why feel the need to load the team up with 'backup' players, we need to be looking for better than we have at present. Some on here would have us spend precious money on players, not fit for purpose! Think you may have missed the red thread in all this Gingeletiss, neither I, or anyone else I can read has suggested we load up the team with "sub-standard" back-up players. We need to find replacements for some of our better players (in the long term) and some of our "regulars " maybe excelling themselves at this level but won't make the grade into the Prem. We need to find good prospects at this level, capable of moving onwards and upwards, without needing a fortune to buy in " someone else's " bench players" from some over-stocked Prem. squad... when /if we get promotion. The " loan suggestion " was purely aimed at getting short term cover for our only fit striker (Ricky Lambert) - and LJ was mentioned as it would have been an ideal chance to see him perform (perhaps from off the bench, for 5-6 weeks, before needing to fork out for a real transfer fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 December, 2011 Share Posted 23 December, 2011 Exactly, we will not get a player as good as Rickie as that person would not be prepared to sit on the bench each week rather than start. well said Rooney, exactly the point I've tried to make in previous threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 December, 2011 Share Posted 23 December, 2011 To be fair - all this team needs to be mid-table Premier League next season IMHO is a good goalkeeper and a good striker. I still would like to see some cover at Centre Back and another Chaplowesque midfielder too, but in general we're rocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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