dune Posted 19 December, 2011 Share Posted 19 December, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16248937.stm If the pilot is successful i'd say it's likely we'll see it introduced in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 19 December, 2011 Share Posted 19 December, 2011 Brilliant, fair play to the scots for giving that a try, they should follow the German model and forget about the hyped up premier league just focus on making the league entertaining, affordable and fun and the crowds will go, i've been to Rangers, Celtic and St Mirren but fancy doing a few more scottish grounds, would go up if they do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 19 December, 2011 Share Posted 19 December, 2011 It is surely not beyond the wit of man to create 'safe standing' areas ! You just need more barriers and good exits etc.. the problems at Hillsborough and Ibrox were in ancient stadiums and, having learnt the lessons, there is no reason any longer for the health and safety bureaucrats to deny decent law abiding citizens their desire to watch football on their feet rather than their @rses !! Ps. I prefer to sit but am happy to fight for the rights of my fellow man ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 19 December, 2011 Share Posted 19 December, 2011 I would love this to happen. Makes sense as well, to have a small(ish) area for safe standing. Everyone in the Northam from about row H backwards tend to stand for most of the game anyway. A proper standing area would be safer than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 19 December, 2011 Share Posted 19 December, 2011 I would love this to happen. Makes sense as well, to have a small(ish) area for safe standing. Everyone in the Northam from about row H backwards tend to stand for most of the game anyway. A proper standing area would be safer than that. it would be safer, and would also deny the power hungry stewards from their favourite hobby of walking up and down the stairs telling people what to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 19 December, 2011 Share Posted 19 December, 2011 I would love this to happen. Makes sense as well, to have a small(ish) area for safe standing. Everyone in the Northam from about row H backwards tend to stand for most of the game anyway. A proper standing area would be safer than that. Logically at SMS the Northam would be standing and the rest seated ! FFS, they stand up anyway !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 19 December, 2011 Share Posted 19 December, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16248937.stm If the pilot is successful i'd say it's likely we'll see it introduced in England. I wouldn't. They are doing it in scotland as there is no tv money so gate receipts are the only major stream of income and these, for many clubs up there, are dire. It will never happen in England as the Football League, the Premier League and the Police don't want it to happen. They have spent huge amounts of time and effort in turning the game for the lad culture of the 70s and 80s to the family friendly activity it is today and there isn't a chance in hell that they would risk harming a multi-billion pound business with something that could lead to a reversal in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 19 December, 2011 Share Posted 19 December, 2011 Would be great to have it back at football. But at what cost? 20 quid to have a row of some big tall bstds like me standing in front of you? How would it affect the plans NC has in the back of his mind for a stadium expansion? But once_bitterne is right, won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenilworthy Posted 19 December, 2011 Share Posted 19 December, 2011 >It will never happen in England as the Football League, the Premier League and the Police don't want it to happen. They have spent huge amounts of time and effort in turning the game for the lad culture of the 70s and 80s to the family friendly activity it is today and there isn't a chance in hell that they would risk harming a multi-billion pound business with something that could lead to a reversal in this I understand what you say about current attitudes in England to standing. However, if the authorities take a more considered view they might recognise that what we have now is far from being familiy-friendly if you go to away games. Because in many grounds you simply do not have the option of sitting down. They have got it right at Sheffield Wednesday. The stewards send people who want to sit to the front of the stand and people who want to stand go to the back - everyone's happy. That is very unusual though. I always used to prefer to stand on the terraces at away games back in the 80s. But since I have been taking two young children to away games the value of being able to sit if you want to is clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 19 December, 2011 Share Posted 19 December, 2011 Personally I am in favour of SAFE standing I dont think standing in an all seater environment is indeed safe yet it happens at most well attended grounds every week However most people would expect to pay less for standing areas but there would be the expense of special seats and crash barriers so perhaps the price would increase Would be interested to have feedback on how the introduction of standing areas would be dealt with from a practical angle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 19 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 19 December, 2011 However most people would expect to pay less for standing areas but there would be the expense of special seats and crash barriers so perhaps the price would increase. But you could get more people in less space so for e.g you could build a seated stand for 10,000 that could accomodate maybe 20,000. This would more than offset the cost of the special seats/crush barriers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 19 December, 2011 Share Posted 19 December, 2011 England is subject to a law that Scotland isn't so there is another hurdle here. However if it is brought in in Scotland then its a small step forward to bringing it back here. I would love it to come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 19 December, 2011 Share Posted 19 December, 2011 Surely it's just a case of removing seats and placing standard barriers at chest height (for the row above) instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 19 December, 2011 Share Posted 19 December, 2011 But you could get more people in less space so for e.g you could build a seated stand for 10,000 that could accomodate maybe 20,000. This would more than offset the cost of the special seats/crush barriers. No you couldn't. The safe standing system in germany uses the exact same amount of space as the regular seating. The standing areas have to be converted to fixed seating for European games, which their system does allow for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 Surely the whole point of "safe standing" is that you can't cram twice as many people in. It takes long enough to get out of the top of the Northam now, can't imagine what it would be like if they let more people in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 No you couldn't. The safe standing system in germany uses the exact same amount of space as the regular seating. The standing areas have to be converted to fixed seating for European games, which their system does allow for. ah there is the rub I am no architect but standing terraces were fairly shallow and therefore the ratio of standing supporters to space available was relatively high. Most new stadiums have much higher steps on the terrace to allow seats to be fitted. If seats were taken out from the Northam, say, you may be able to get perhaps 5-10% more standing places, subject to planning/safety, but there would also be a cost of barriers etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 ah there is the rub I am no architect but standing terraces were fairly shallow and therefore the ratio of standing supporters to space available was relatively high. Most new stadiums have much higher steps on the terrace to allow seats to be fitted. If seats were taken out from the Northam, say, you may be able to get perhaps 5-10% more standing places, subject to planning/safety, but there would also be a cost of barriers etc But if you had aspirations of playing in Europe it would potentially need to support both seats AND standing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 I pity all those old codgers north of the border who will now not be able to see the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 I pity all those old codgers north of the border who will now not be able to see the game. this is the sort of f*cking stupid clueless comment that does my head in. anyone who has been to football in Germany or Switzerland will be able to testify how much better the atmospheres and match going experience is for the average fan by having standing, the ground is still majority seated so all the codgers have their choice, and those who want to stand can have their preference. the point is they give the people the CHOICE and trust them to use it. in this country they would rather dictate to you what you can and can't do, virtually every team who has a decent away following now stands every away game, the fans clearly don't want all seated grounds. the authorities do as they can keep control of the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 this is the sort of f*cking stupid clueless comment that does my head in. anyone who has been to football in Germany or Switzerland will be able to testify how much better the atmospheres and match going experience is for the average fan by having standing, the ground is still majority seated so all the codgers have their choice, and those who want to stand can have their preference. the point is they give the people the CHOICE and trust them to use it. in this country they would rather dictate to you what you can and can't do, virtually every team who has a decent away following now stands every away game, the fans clearly don't want all seated grounds. the authorities do as they can keep control of the fans. Oh dear. Given that I am on the record as one who thinks old codgers also have two legs I guess you must have missed the implied sarcasm in my post ?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 22 December, 2011 Share Posted 22 December, 2011 But if you had aspirations of playing in Europe it would potentially need to support both seats AND standing. Barry I dont think this is the case Willing to be corrected but believe there are numerous safety hoops to jump through before you get a tick in the box re standing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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