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careful um pahars..I get shouted down when I try to make that point, too

 

It's kind of an irrelevant after thought now though isn't it? A loan would only patch things up whilst we have had players unavailable and we've arguably been able to do that using our exisitng squad....on the basis that we are top at Xmas.

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I'm curious to see if the people campaigning for a new goalkeeper will be applying their standards equally accross the squad. I'm guessing most of you are basing this on Bart's poor performance against Blackpool. Fox had a similarly poor performance at Bristol, do we also need a new LB?

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I reckon if people are holding out for that in january they might be quite dissapointed...

 

There is no doubt the management know we are in a place they probably didn't anticipate in the summer. They also know they will probably not have a better opportunity than we have now. I would be surprised if they didn't take steps to reinforce the squad with a bit more quality. A striker and who knows, but I can't see Cortese and Adkins allowing the threadbare make do and mend of the last five matches to happen again.

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I'm curious to see if the people campaigning for a new goalkeeper will be applying their standards equally across the squad.

 

I'm guessing most of you are basing this on Bart's poor performance against Blackpool.

 

Fox had a similarly poor performance at Bristol, do we also need a new LB?

 

 

I wish it was that easy, but sorry to say he has never impressed me much in any of his games, except the one where he saved a couple of pens. in the JPT. In over 5 years at the club, I would have been expecting him to have been pressing KD for the number one spot, he's rarely come near it and has only been used in Cup competitions, often against quite inferior opposition, and still not impressed.

 

Every player has bad games, but whereas you can change out a defender when you have alternatives...Richardson / Butterfield....Fox / Harding.

You can't play that game with a goalie when points are at stake. The only thing important to goalies is ..keeping a clean sheet, and Bart's record when he has played is not that impressive either.

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I'm curious to see if the people campaigning for a new goalkeeper will be applying their standards equally accross the squad. I'm guessing most of you are basing this on Bart's poor performance against Blackpool. Fox had a similarly poor performance at Bristol, do we also need a new LB?

 

I can see it happening at the end of the season if we go up, A new first team goalkeeper, Davis gone or backup, A third keeper brought in as cover now and Bart gone to keep goal for another team on a regular basis either on loan or permanent, we owe him that, look how well he did at Barnsley. If we don't go up Davis stays No1. Bart has gremlins between the ears and needs to play regularly to get his career back on track.

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I wish it was that easy, but sorry to say he has never impressed me much in any of his games, except the one where he saved a couple of pens. in the JPT. In over 5 years at the club, I would have been expecting him to have been pressing KD for the number one spot, he's rarely come near it and has only been used in Cup competitions, often against quite inferior opposition, and still not impressed.

 

Every player has bad games, but whereas you can change out a defender when you have alternatives...Richardson / Butterfield....Fox / Harding.

You can't play that game with a goalie when points are at stake. The only thing important to goalies is ..keeping a clean sheet, and Bart's record when he has played is not that impressive either.

 

I think Bart has looked pretty impressive in most of the games he has played for us. Just had a look at the last 3 years; W14 D2 L4. That's a pretty decent record and it's not all against lower league teams either. There are a lot of CCC games for Barnsley in there. One of the draws was the JPT game with Norwich when he pulled off a world class save to win the shoot out. The defeats were against Man Utd and away games at Leeds, Colchester and Palace. If these were all league games, we'd have 44 points from 20 games, easily promotion for.

 

We really are pretty decent when Bart plays.

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It's kind of an irrelevant after thought now though isn't it?

....it wasn't an after thought on my part. I hoped we would have taken in "someone" on loan - at least until January.

It would have been a chance to take a close look at them being "deciding " whether to sign, or not to sign..as we didn't we had Chaplow being injured at Bristol and we've managed only 5 points from the last 15 - not exactly promotion form - is it ?

 

]A loan would only patch things up whilst we have had players unavailable and we've arguably been able to do that using our exisitng squadon the basis that we are top at Xmas.

 

Well- that might have been better than the reality, in that our own attempt at "patching things up " cost us 10 points in the League.

Before the Bristol game we were 5 points clear of West Ham, and 9 points clear of the third side ...

Being " top at Christmas" is only a symbolic time point. I only hope we still have a good lead come December 31st. (Half way point in the season.)

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Well- that might have been better than the reality, in that our own attempt at "patching things up " cost us 10 points in the League.

Before the Bristol game we were 5 points clear of West Ham, and 9 points clear of the third side ...

Being " top at Christmas" is only a symbolic time point. I only hope we still have a good lead come December 31st. (Half way point in the season.)

being top at xmas is....being top at xmas..

nothing symbolic about it

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And who, pray tell mongs, should we have gotten in on loan?

 

I don't have Nigel Adkins' ear on that one, but I can't believe he hadn't considered it ...

But with all the air-play about Lukas J. from Coventry..I can't believe that it would have been a bad idea. Six weeks to see how he might fit in. We could certainly have used a change of personnel in the Bristol game when our only attacking midfielder (Chaplow) was injured in the first 10 minutes, and how we could have used another striker at Doncaster when Lambert was nursing an injury.

 

I don't necessarily think he is the complete answer, or that we should sign him but a couple of sub. apps or starts would have cleared up a lot of questions - wouldn't it ?

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I don't have Nigel Adkins' ear on that one, but I can't believe he hadn't considered it ...

But with all the air-play about Lukas J. from Coventry..I can't believe that it would have been a bad idea. Six weeks to see how he might fit in. We could certainly have used a change of personnel in the Bristol game when our only attacking midfielder (Chaplow) was injured in the first 10 minutes, and how we could have used another striker at Doncaster when Lambert was nursing an injury.

 

I don't necessarily think he is the complete answer, or that we should sign him but a couple of sub. apps or starts would have cleared up a lot of questions - wouldn't it ?

 

So if other words, you're 'kin clueless but bang on about it anyway.

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And who, pray tell mongs, should we have gotten in on loan?

 

What about Sanchez Watt from arsenal?? Obika at Spurs is out on loan, Man City have two young forwards out on loan. Even Leeds allowed Paynter to go out.

 

I'm not saying any of these would have worked or been available, not saying we werent going for broke to get someone in, not saying I dont have faith in Adkins, merely speculating on a message board that we're short up front and wondered what the thoughts of those in charge are/were??

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We've done fantastically well this season with the resources at our disposal, we don't have the biggest squad, but nor are we threadbare a la the Skates. What has become clear in the last few weeks is a striker is needed, and January is the time to get it. I have no problems with loans, often they can work out very good, like Guly and Chaplow, but some players are signed to boost numbers a la Bignell.

 

In my opinion we should sign TWO strikers in January, one on a permanent (to basically replace Connolly in the long term), and one on loan, to cover any potential absences of Barnard or Lambert. With your permanent players, it's unwise to keep them on the bench because you don't want to upset them, with loan players you don't share that same worry. The second half of the season will really test us in terms of injuries and suspensions IMO, so a big squad is important.

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There is no doubt the management know we are in a place they probably didn't anticipate in the summer. They also know they will probably not have a better opportunity than we have now. I would be surprised if they didn't take steps to reinforce the squad with a bit more quality. A striker and who knows, but I can't see Cortese and Adkins allowing the threadbare make do and mend of the last five matches to happen again.

 

I have no doubt we will add a player (prehaps two) but four including a new keeper not a chance......

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personally I would be happy with both LJ and BS. It gives us the strength we need to win promotion this season but still leaves room to add more quality if we go up - assuming DC & LB would be out and Guly would drop to midfield. Still need a pacy winger though as a priority as this is the biggest hole in the current team.

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Well- that might have been better than the reality, in that our own attempt at "patching things up " cost us 10 points in the League.

Before the Bristol game we were 5 points clear of West Ham, and 9 points clear of the third side ...

Being " top at Christmas" is only a symbolic time point. I only hope we still have a good lead come December 31st. (Half way point in the season.)

Actually half way point of season is 26th after we play Palace, 23 games played out of 46.

Not sure how you can sya "patching things up" has cost us 10 points. If you expected to win all 5 games in that time then you are sadly deluded. I could accepat that it may have cost us 4 points (Wham have closed gap by 4) or even 6 (Boro have closed gap by 6) but 10, don't be silly. Apart from Bart I really don't see that we have patched anything up, we have had a few injuries, show me a club that hasn't, most teams would give their right arm for the shortness of our injury list, just ask Allardyce.

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Actually half way point of season is 26th after we play Palace, 23 games played out of 46.

Not sure how you can sya "patching things up" has cost us 10 points. If you expected to win all 5 games in that time then you are sadly deluded. I could accepat that it may have cost us 4 points (Wham have closed gap by 4) or even 6 (Boro have closed gap by 6) but 10, don't be silly.

 

Apart from Bart I really don't see that we have patched anything up, we have had a few injuries, show me a club that hasn't, most teams would give their right arm for the shortness of our injury list, just ask Allardyce.

 

well IMO, we lost the plot after Chaplow got injured..you may have been amongst those who thought the sub. should have been SDR instead of Schneiderlin (a vg.passer of the ball ...who has managed two goals ? ..or is it one? ..in almost 4 years.) SDR has made a speciality of being super sub. and scored three times when coming on. We are glaringly vunerable up front where Connolly hasn't played in the last 6, and Barnard hasn't started a game since April. We may not have got all 15 points.... but 5 from 15 is worse than some of the teams facing relegation at present.

 

Guly looked good when playing up front in the sunshine at SMS, but has managed only one goal in the last six games. Surely we needed some patching up there, and the all-time goof of not loaning in "someone " - at least until January FFS..who could give us cover up front - was blatantly obvious at Doncaster - without Lambert. Thankfully, he's scored 6 of our last 8 goals (the lowest aggregate in any 6 match period this season btw).

 

Yes we have "cover " for many positions in the team - except strikers !...How on earth can people say we don't need anyone as cover.

At least someone who knows how to score goals, (we all accept that we aren't going to get another RL overnight) - but there must have been SOMEONE capable of scoring a goal or two against Brizzle and Donnie...everyone else in the League has done so with little problem - that's why they are bottom 5.

 

We should be glad that West Ham have had such a poor run, otherwise they'd have been points ahead of us instead.

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I make no apologies for " droning on " as you put it. I've been a Saints fan for over 50 years and might underline the point of others on here of my generation..that being totally dependent on one striker has also been our downfall over the decades...(Wayman, R.Davies, Channon and MLT are prime examples.)

 

I didn't use the phrase "worldbeaters" either, in fact I think the number of players in our present squad who can make a career in the Prem. is embarrasingly few, but we have to get there first. Relying on Lambert alone to get us there (as we so obviously do) is a major concern.

 

"drone " over !

 

And how completely wrong you have been. Our 'complete dependence' on Le Tiss kept us in the Prem for years when we had crap mplayers and crap managers. Ron Davies gave us glorious results in Div 1 (who will ever ever forget that 4-1 win at Old Trafford) and both earned us respect that the rest of the squad without them wouldn't have done. Channon - one FA Cup; second place in the league (or had he gone by then?). More respect etc.

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but there must have been SOMEONE capable of scoring a goal or two against Brizzle and Donnie...everyone else in the League has done so with little problem - that's why they are bottom 5.

 

Barnard was on the bench for both games, but strangely Adkins chose not to use him until the game was gone. Barnard is now injured, but at the time we had cover.

 

Regarding the inability to score against both, well you might have noticed that they had both turned their form around prior to our visit so we were playing a bottom 5 side both in the best form of the season.

 

The fact is the strikers were not the whole problem. We not only lost Chaplow's energy but also Lallana was half fit, so this affected the amount of ball we had and the service to the front players.

 

One final thing, perhaps there wasn't a player available for a short term loan of the quality required at the right price.

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If we buy a pacey striker then Guly will play on the right wing and be backup for RL imo.

 

I think there is more than one way this will work, a striker with genuine pace will do that job. Equally possible is thatJutkiewicz could work well, although a different type of player. The reason being that Ricky is not your normal #9, more a #10 in footballing terms. Ricky is very careful who and where he takes the fight to the opposition and has become very effective at doing so. Nothing against this and a joy to watch as he finds space for himself, but it needs someone in the forward position to bring it all together, someone who is comfortable with leading the line. I have seen occasions where Ricky has taken the more forward role, as Guly did against Pompey and fared none the better. There have been several times in the past where I would have Guly feeding a central striker rather than Ricky, but Ricky is the man in form at the moment. I don't believe neither Guly or Ricky want to be the furthest forward of the two, both preferring to be sheilded by the other.

 

That said,when Guly switched to the middle and Chaplow went into the right midfield, I thought that was the best combination of attacking prowess and defensive solidarity we had ever combined. Even when we had Guly on the wing and Connolly upfront we were more than capable. If we get Connolly or Chaplow fit again, there should be no reason why we can't return to former ways.

 

There are several ways of curing our current malaise, it will be interesting to see what eventually turns up. Apart from Ricky, our other attacking options are just slightly off form at the moment and we desperately need the energy of Chaplow to try and change that around.

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Just trawled a few sites in the prem and Championship and it appears that at least 50% of all those clubs have mentioned Rhodes as a transfer target including Manure,Everton,Newcastle and Sunderland.Palace for some reason have a 44 page thread on him.Rhodes is a top top prospect and he was absolutely outstanding on Saurday at Wendies who to be fair to them said it was one of if not the best striking performance they had ever seen at Hillsborough.Check out the clip below.Our Chairman says we don't need to sell and his money is better invested in Rhodes than the bank.Having said that every player supposedly has his price but I think it would have to be North of £5m.I know this sounds a lot but Delph went to Villa from L666s for £7m.Interestingly,I went to my first Premiership game for a couple of years last night Wolves v Norwich.Morison surprised me by how good he was but Ebanks Blake was absolutely pants and Rhodes is 10 times the player he is (and about 4 stone lighter).Rhodes would fit in superbly at Southampton rather than a host of other clubs that I can think of.Another plus with Rhodes is that he is a quiet,lovely lad who doesn't have a bad word to say about anything and says all he is interested is being a better person and a better player.As for Alex Smithies.Probably the best young keeper I have seen other than Joe Hart but he has been injured for almost a whole year although he is near to returning to training.I doubt we would let him go.By the way Lucas Jutkiewicz was on loan at Town 2 seasons ago and was truely awful one of the worst loanees ever at the club.Good luck for the rest of the season.

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16238289.stm

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Barnard was on the bench for both games, but strangely Adkins chose not to use him until the game was gone. Barnard is now injured, but at the time we had cover.

Regarding the inability to score against both, well you might have noticed that they had both turned their form around prior to our visit so we were playing a bottom 5 side both in the best form of the season.

 

The fact is the strikers were not the whole problem. We not only lost Chaplow's energy but also Lallana was half fit, so this affected the amount of ball we had and the service to the front players.

 

One final thing, perhaps there wasn't a player available for a short term loan of the quality required at the right price.

 

 

we are in line for promotion (and thanks only to West Hams decline) we are still top by one point.

 

You're right that there may not have been a "suitable" player available, but I'm sure there must have been.and there was so much PR about LJ from Coventry - can't believe it hadn't been discussed at SMS. As for the right price?....what price for those lost 10 points at the end of the season..?.

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christ...we lost a couple of games....just move on

 

....AND had a couple of miserable draws into the bargain, and had it not been for Lamberts injury time strike v. Blackpool it might have been 3 defeats.

 

I watched the Pompey game, and a more boring excuse for a derby game I've seldom seen.

Lots of possession and "pretty passing" (especially from Lallana).. .but we seem to lose it in the final third.

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....AND had a couple of miserable draws into the bargain, and had it not been for Lamberts injury time strike v. Blackpool it might have been 3 defeats.

but he did score...so what..? we are top...we will lose more games...we will probably lose at home....tis the way this league is..yet after being so miserable...we are still top

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....AND had a couple of miserable draws into the bargain, and had it not been for Lamberts injury time strike v. Blackpool it might have been 3 defeats.

 

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Ehhhh??? can't say I was very misreable after the Blackpool game coming from behind in the 93rd minute to stay unbeasten at home this season (after a nightmare by our keeper) left me feelling pretty happy. Same with the Pompey match would have loved a win but a point away from home is always a good point in this league I reckon (especially with our home form)

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why are you having a near nervous break down whilst top of the league...?

 

nervous breakdown - bull sh*t !

the whole of this thread seems to revolve around some people's opinion that we don't need an extra striker - I think we do (and should have had one - even in the summer) . Of our three established strikers ..two are injured, perhaps longer term. One has a date with the judge, and the other has 6 months left on a contract unlikely to be renewed. Thank goodness Lambert is on form - and still fit !

 

....and you still think we don't need cover ?

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nervous breakdown - bull sh*t !

the whole of this thread seems to revolve around some people's opinion that we don't need an extra striker - I think we do (and should have had one - even in the summer) . Of our three established strikers ..two are injured, perhaps lomger term. One has a date with the judge, and the other has 6 months left on a contract unlikely to be renewed. Thank goodness Lambert is on form - and still fit !

 

....and you still think we don't need cover ?

where have I said we don't....but that does not translate into 'miserable draws'......we are not barcelona...we have just come up from div 3 and are in the main..brilliant this season

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Ehhhh??? can't say I was very misreable after the Blackpool game coming from behind in the 93rd minute to stay unbeasten at home this season (after a nightmare by our keeper) left me filling pretty happy. Same with the Pompey match would have loved a win but a point away from home is always a good point in this league I reckon (especially with our home form)

 

I felt more relieved... than happy and wasn't over-impressed by Blackpool performance either.

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where have I said we don't....but that does not translate into 'miserable draws'......we are not barcelona...we have just come up from div 3 and are in the main..brilliant this season

 

 

I just so glad that someone has been able to convince us all that we need another striker. Blimey, I would never of known, not with watching them every week n all.

 

I rec' we should give Nigel a bell and let him know as well.

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I felt more relieved... than happy and wasn't over-impressed by Blackpool performance either.

 

Of course I meant to say feeling not filling.....

 

We were much better than Blackpool any other day without Barts nightmare and the awful ref blowing up for evey little thing we would have won that game. If we'd been awful I'd of been worried but we weren't so I'm not. just look at the stats

 

Possession Southampton 54% Blackpool 46%

Attempts on target Southampton 9 Blackpool 4

Attempts off target Southampton 11 Blackpool 4

Corners Southampton 5 Blackpool 3

Fouls Southampton 18 Blackpool 9

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Of course I meant to say feeling not filling.....

 

We were much better than Blackpool any other day without Barts nightmare and the awful ref blowing up for evey little thing we would have won that game. If we'd been awful I'd of been worried but we weren't so I'm not. just look at the stats

 

Possession Southampton 54% Blackpool 46%

Attempts on target Southampton 9 Blackpool 4

Attempts off target Southampton 11 Blackpool 4

Corners Southampton 5 Blackpool 3

Fouls Southampton 18 Blackpool 9

 

 

surely the stats.you quoted prove the point.. 20 shots against 8 ..and we still only salvaged a point in the 93rd min.

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Proves the point it was a misreable draw? no I don't think so...

 

" miserable "...in the context of two lost points, and an inability for ANYONE else to score except Ricky Lambert.

 

(I did think some of the midfield play was entertaining (in parts) but overall effort was disappointing (to say nothing more of Bart's early Xmas present to them.)

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