S-Clarke Posted 26 December, 2011 Posted 26 December, 2011 he was easily not the best....... IMO he had an average game...and that average was due to his two goals fair play to him...right place, right time and all that...keep em coming Nope he wasn't the best, but i just don't get these '''he's the worst player'' comments, when he quite clearly isn't. I can accept that he has bad games, like last week, but he also has effective games - like today. And he also has unplayable games where he's all over the show. He's an enigma and a match winner, and you have to accept the rough and the smooth with him. Take him out of our side and we've lost alot of the unpredictability we have.
Thedelldays Posted 26 December, 2011 Posted 26 December, 2011 Nope he wasn't the best, but i just don't get these '''he's the worst player'' comments, when he quite clearly isn't. I can accept that he has bad games, like last week, but he also has effective games - like today. And he also has unplayable games where he's all over the show. He's an enigma and a match winner, and you have to accept the rough and the smooth with him. Take him out of our side and we've lost alot of the unpredictability we have. i would have a fit connolly over his unpredictability every day of the week....sadly, that is never an option really
miserableoldgit Posted 26 December, 2011 Posted 26 December, 2011 Nope he wasn't the best, but i just don't get these '''he's the worst player'' comments, when he quite clearly isn't. I can accept that he has bad games, like last week, but he also has effective games - like today. And he also has unplayable games where he's all over the show. He's an enigma and a match winner, and you have to accept the rough and the smooth with him. Take him out of our side and we've lost alot of the unpredictability we have. I totally agree with this post. I think that remarks like "I don`t ever want to see the useless **** in a Saints shirt again" (elsewhere in this thread) are plain ridiculous. I no that it`s opinions and all that, but come on!
Chez Posted 26 December, 2011 Posted 26 December, 2011 the worst player on the pitch scored both goals today you did see Parr (No 4) and Ramage (38) didn't you? In case you didn't, they were terrible, terrible players on the day.
S-Clarke Posted 26 December, 2011 Posted 26 December, 2011 you did see Parr (No 4) and Ramage (38) didn't you? In case you didn't, they were terrible, terrible players on the day. I felt embarrassed for Ramage. The guy is just plain awful and has been whenever i've seen him, be it for QPR or Newcastle.
James Posted 26 December, 2011 Posted 26 December, 2011 I agree with the above comments - Ramage and Parr were dreadful. As for Guly, he scored two today but didn't do much else and I for one (like many around me) were expecting Connolly to replace him moments before he scored number two. At his best, he's one of our best, sadly he is very inconsistent. The fact is, if he was brilliant like he can be every week he'd be playing for a top six prem club and not for one in the Championship. We wouldn't be where we are without him and I want him to continue in the side (although maybe on the right of midfield should we sign a new front man).
Jonnyboy Posted 26 December, 2011 Posted 26 December, 2011 Would we be Top of the League if Guly had not been at this club this season? Nope.
hypochondriac Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 The people not giving Guly the credit for two very well taken goals are idiots. Equally, the people having a go at those who think he was dreadful last week and didn't do much except the goals this week are also idiots.
Thedelldays Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 how hard is it to just say...he did not play that well but popped up to nod the ball in twice....regardless of last week or next week.. he was not the worst player on the pitch..but probably the worst saints player (someone has to be).....still, contributes for the team at vital times
dune Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 Would we be Top of the League if Guly had not been at this club this season? Nope. Oh dear, not another pointless comparison between fact and fiction. You simply don't know. If Guly hadn't been at the club we would have drafted in a replacement and the replacement would have played in front a great midfield with a class strike partner. I think it's reasonable to suggest that any half decent centre forward would do well in Gulys position.
Jonnyboy Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 Oh dear, not another pointless comparison between fact and fiction. You simply don't know. If Guly hadn't been at the club we would have drafted in a replacement and the replacement would have played in front a great midfield with a class strike partner. I think it's reasonable to suggest that any half decent centre forward would do well in Gulys position. Barnard?
dune Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 Barnard? Any half decent centre forward could slot in and score goals with the players we've got.
Saint Charlie Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 Guly now joint third top scorer of Championship goals this season. Glad he is in our team.
Saint Charlie Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 Any half decent centre forward could slot in and score goals with the players we've got. Barnard wouldn't have got the goals Guly has.
Thedelldays Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 Barnard wouldn't have got the goals Guly has. seriously...how on earth could you say that..barny was better than guly last season...??
dune Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 Barnard wouldn't have got the goals Guly has. He might of got more and he might have provided more.
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 A striker that scores goals ? What a novel idea !! I see the forum mongs are out in force again ! 9 goals in a competitive league hardly a poor show eh ?
hypochondriac Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 how hard is it to just say...he did not play that well but popped up to nod the ball in twice....regardless of last week or next week.. he was not the worst player on the pitch..but probably the worst saints player (someone has to be).....still, contributes for the team at vital times I agree with you. I just noted with interest once I got back that when he scored, a host of posters were quick to start pouring scorn on those who had expressed their frustration at him in recent weeks, as if scoring a couple of goals somehow negated previous poor performances or rendered them less poor somehow. It's a really odd attitude.
Crazy Diamond Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 I'm pleased he got the goals today, that's good. Control was much better today, no star jumps, used his chest to effectively ping the ball back to Cork a few times. Still offside a lot though, and doesn't make a great effort to run back from offside positions. I think he was helped a lot by their defence not knowing how to play an offside trap - the amount of times they shouted and appealed for offside and it wasn't remotely offside was ridiculous. However, do any of us honestly think he'll put in a decent performance like that away from home? Got to say I'm doubtful.
Thedelldays Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 A striker that scores goals ? What a novel idea !! I see the forum mongs are out in force again ! 9 goals in a competitive league hardly a poor show eh ? It's not. Today, I just think his game was a bit off. He did however leap like a salmon twice to win us the game. I have no problem with that but will be honest and say he never really played that well
dune Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 BUT Guly has done well today so he's done his job today in terms of scoring. I'm still not a fan though and won't be until he improves on his touch and pass selection and proves me wrong on a regular basis.
dune Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 I'm pleased he got the goals today, that's good. Control was much better today, no star jumps, used his chest to effectively ping the ball back to Cork a few times. Still offside a lot though, and doesn't make a great effort to run back from offside positions. I think he was helped a lot by their defence not knowing how to play an offside trap - the amount of times they shouted and appealed for offside and it wasn't remotely offside was ridiculous. However, do any of us honestly think he'll put in a decent performance like that away from home? Got to say I'm doubtful. That's just it. I only do aways now and normally he's crap.
Saints foreva Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 I'm never sure what to think of Guly, at times he can be unplayable but other times he can struggle to get into the game at all. I do think the stick he gets from fans in the Northam and Kingsland North is uncalled for. Guly always has his better games at St. Mary's when the crowd are behind him, sadly one misplaced pass or poor judgement and the crowd get on his back. Players like Lallana (Who has been average for a while now) don't usually get stick like Guly gets when he makes a poor piece of play. It's almost like some of our fans want Guly to fail.
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 It's not. Today, I just think his game was a bit off. He did however leap like a salmon twice to win us the game. I have no problem with that but will be honest and say he never really played that well as long as he scores I couldn't care less away I'll question his inclusion but at home he scores goals no one else got on the end of any chances today so he won us 3 points IMO ! Lineker only ever scored goals and was not considered a bad player ?
hypochondriac Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 I'm pleased he got the goals today, that's good. Control was much better today, no star jumps, used his chest to effectively ping the ball back to Cork a few times. Still offside a lot though, and doesn't make a great effort to run back from offside positions. I think he was helped a lot by their defence not knowing how to play an offside trap - the amount of times they shouted and appealed for offside and it wasn't remotely offside was ridiculous. However, do any of us honestly think he'll put in a decent performance like that away from home? Got to say I'm doubtful. I think that is te crux of the matter. A general theme I have noticed is that people are generally more charitable if they haven't been to a lot of away games. Having done most of them this year, I think you see how poor guly can be more frequently. I really think we should consider something different away.
dune Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 It's almost like some of our fans want Guly to fail. I think this is rubbish. I'd love to be proved wrong.
Thedelldays Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 as long as he scores I couldn't care less away I'll question his inclusion but at home he scores goals no one else got on the end of any chances today so he won us 3 points IMO ! Lineker only ever scored goals and was not considered a bad player ? Linekar was a world class striker who did it the world over and at world cup semi finals... Quite what that has to do with anything.. Anyway, very happy today. Guly won us the game just commenting that his all round play was not good IMO. But hey ho, no drama
dune Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 as long as he scores I couldn't care less away I'll question his inclusion but at home he scores goals no one else got on the end of any chances today so he won us 3 points IMO ! Lineker only ever scored goals and was not considered a bad player ? How many times has Guly played for Brazil?
Crazy Diamond Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 That's just it. I only do aways now and normally he's crap. Unlucky. I only go to home games. He's one of these players that either has a two or three out of ten or an eight or nine. No middle ground really. I think that is te crux of the matter. A general theme I have noticed is that people are generally more charitable if they haven't been to a lot of away games. Having done most of them this year, I think you see how poor guly can be more frequently. I really think we should consider something different away. Again, I can only get to home games, some of them he chips in with goals and you have to salute that, other times he's making the easy things look bloody difficult. I'm never sure what to think of Guly, at times he can be unplayable but other times he can struggle to get into the game at all. I do think the stick he gets from fans in the Northam and Kingsland North is uncalled for. Guly always has his better games at St. Mary's when the crowd are behind him, sadly one misplaced pass or poor judgement and the crowd get on his back. Players like Lallana (Who has been average for a while now) don't usually get stick like Guly gets when he makes a poor piece of play. It's almost like some of our fans want Guly to fail. Oh do me a favour - that's a load of absolute ********. The guy is inconsistent, there should be no problem in pointing that out. If he scores goals, brilliant. If he chips in with an assist or two, great. If he plays well, I'll say so. When he's jumping in the air with his limbs flailing wildly when trying to control the ball and it goes straight to a defender, which then causes him to have the body language of a sulking child and goes missing, I'll say so then as well. Saying a fan wants a player to fail is a bogus line for someone who doesn't want to accept someone has a different opinion to them. I think this is rubbish. I'd love to be proved wrong. Exactly.
hypochondriac Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 It's true, but let's not pretend we'd have a brilliant away record just if Guly was replaced away. The general attitude and team performances haven't been as good away, defensive and attack. I agree, but I do think playing guly away hasn't helped matters. It's almost like he is surprised sometimes when opposing players have the temerity to close him down quickly.
Hedgehog Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 Don't know how long this forum site has been going, but if it was around at the time of Matty no doubt all you Guly knockers would be saying the same about him! Yes he makes mistakes, but look at the likes of LLana, he loses the ball just as much etc. but seems immune to critisiscm. For **** sake he makes errors, but is still scoring goals. What does Lambert do that does not allow critisiscm, some of his passes are just as bad, but does he track back as far as Guly? Why do people need to pick on one player who is actually scoring goals? If it isn't for a goal you are not going to win a game,
Thedelldays Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 Errr le tiss was a world class player. And yes he did get criticsed also at times
Crazy Diamond Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 Don't know how long this forum site has been going, but if it was around at the time of Matty no doubt all you Guly knockers would be saying the same about him! Yes he makes mistakes, but look at the likes of LLana, he loses the ball just as much etc. but seems immune to critisiscm. For **** sake he makes errors, but is still scoring goals. What does Lambert do that does not allow critisiscm, some of his passes are just as bad, but does he track back as far as Guly? Why do people need to pick on one player who is actually scoring goals? If it isn't for a goal you are not going to win a game, Both fair points. If I had to put my finger on why Lallana doesn't get as much stick, it's because he genuinely looks up for it whereas Guly doesn't help himself with negative body language. As for picking on a player that's scoring goals, as I said, I'm very pleased he scored twice, the real test is if he keeps it up.
Saints foreva Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 The guy is inconsistent, there should be no problem in pointing that out. So is Lallana but there are several posters on this forum that would jump to defend him if anyone gave him the criticism that Guly gets. Lallana can make lose the ball by trying to do too much with it (like he always does) yet gets a good reaction from the crowd but one bad pass from Guly and he's suddenly got the crowd on his bad.
Jonnyboy Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 So is Lallana but there are several posters on this forum that would jump to defend him if anyone gave him the criticism that Guly gets. Lallana can make lose the ball by trying to do too much with it (like he always does) yet gets a good reaction from the crowd but one bad pass from Guly and he's suddenly got the crowd on his bad. Well Adam is a local ish lad, and of course he doesnt have a foreign complexion.
OttawaSaint Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 I have never understood the logic behind, "all he did was score 2 goals". That's his job, to put the ball in the net or assist others in putting the ball in the net. I doesn't to be pretty, he don't have to make a perfect play every time he gets the ball. If he is scoring goals then he is doing his job. I remember all the stick Rasiak used to get, "uhh, he's slow/awkward/lazy" and Crouch when we first got him, "ughh, lanky uncoordinated, touch of a rapist" etc. Give me a player who puts the ball in the net over some ball of energy or a fancy dan who doesn't score, ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!
scott_saints Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 Guly got so much abuse from the Northam today, even after his 2 goals. Connolly then came on and manged to absolutely f**k up his first 3 touches of the ball....... but noooooo we're not allowed to say bad things about Connolly. Most of our fans are mongs, and Guly is the new scapegoat.
manji Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 Guly got so much abuse from the Northam today, even after his 2 goals. Connolly then came on and manged to absolutely f**k up his first 3 touches of the ball....... but noooooo we're not allowed to say bad things about Connolly. Most of our fans are mongs, and Guly is the new scapegoat. This. Anyway hes in good company. I can remember Benali getting booed every time the team was read out before the game. There was a lot of fans who slagged Alan Ball during games and even fans who called MLT *gulp* lazy (that was before it became illegal to criticize him).
saintmatt Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 However, do any of us honestly think he'll put in a decent performance like that away from home? Got to say I'm doubtful. He has done so IMO at Ipswich, Leicester, Derby and Coventry, to name four or the eight away I've done. Nobody was great at Donny or Bristol City, I acknowledge he was poor at P*mpey.
hypochondriac Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 Don't know how long this forum site has been going, but if it was around at the time of Matty no doubt all you Guly knockers would be saying the same about him! Yes he makes mistakes, but look at the likes of LLana, he loses the ball just as much etc. but seems immune to critisiscm. For **** sake he makes errors, but is still scoring goals. What does Lambert do that does not allow critisiscm, some of his passes are just as bad, but does he track back as far as Guly? Why do people need to pick on one player who is actually scoring goals? If it isn't for a goal you are not going to win a game, Come on now, you arent deriously cpmparing guly with MLT are you???
hypochondriac Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 He has done so IMO at Ipswich, Leicester, Derby and Coventry, to name four or the eight away I've done. Nobody was great at Donny or Bristol City, I acknowledge he was poor at P*mpey. Coventry he was OK but not great. He was good at Ipswich and Leicester. I didn't do derby.
Mowgli Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 i would have a fit connolly over his unpredictability every day of the week....sadly, that is never an option really Work it out. Without Guly in the side, we would be on the edge of the playoffs right now.
Thedelldays Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 Work it out. Without Guly in the side, we would be on the edge of the playoffs right now. indeed..but does not change that I think connolly is a better striker... connolly up front with guly in midfield was great for the team
DT Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 Most of the game Guly did his jogging back from an offside position thing. No movement, very little passing, lost control of the ball a lot, missed important through balls, but scored two nod ins. Surely would have been subbed just before his second. I'd have taken him off at half time. Mind you, Connelly looked very rusty. Oh well, can remember another player who used to drift in and out of games and win them with a bit of le genius...
Mowgli Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 Guly got so much abuse from the Northam today, even after his 2 goals. Connolly then came on and manged to absolutely f**k up his first 3 touches of the ball....... but noooooo we're not allowed to say bad things about Connolly. Most of our fans are mongs, and Guly is the new scapegoat. To be fair football has always been like that. I personally could not give a flying **** what the Northam think. You only have to look at the OS pictures with Schneiderlin and see SDR and Guly after the game to realise that the players love Guly to bits. I honestly thought he would be out of his depth in this league but now I'm thinking he can probably do a job in the Premiership. I've been to a few games this season with neutrals (home and away) and the consistent remark was 'who is that guy - he's everywhere...'. Even on his quiet days he's pulling markers off Lambo and Lallana to give them more space. On the basis that we generally have players like Barnard and Connolly on the bench to shake things up if he does go missing I really do not see what the problem is.
Wade Garrett Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 Can't help thinking that there's a few bandwagon jumpers slagging Guly off. He played deep yesterday and covered a hell of a lot of ground across the pitch. He did ok for me. There were 1 or 2 of ours that we're a little off their games yesterday, but I 'm not going to slag them off.
Thedelldays Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 Can't help thinking that there's a few bandwagon jumpers slagging Guly off. He played deep yesterday and covered a hell of a lot of ground across the pitch. He did ok for me. There were 1 or 2 of ours that we're a little off their games yesterday, but I 'm not going to slag them off. who is slagging him off..? just saying his game was not that great yesterday....on a guly thread that someone brought up..
Toomer Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 I thought he was about to be subbed and I said this to my mate also saying you watch him get a 2nd, ball crossed Guly heads his 2nd.
hypochondriac Posted 27 December, 2011 Posted 27 December, 2011 Can't help thinking that there's a few bandwagon jumpers slagging Guly off. He played deep yesterday and covered a hell of a lot of ground across the pitch. He did ok for me. There were 1 or 2 of ours that we're a little off their games yesterday, but I 'm not going to slag them off. What do you mean jumping on the bandwagon? Could it not be that this is what people honestly think? I mean sure no need to go overboard by saying he was awful or anything, but he didn't have the greatest of games. No harm in telling it like it is.
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