LostBoys Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Garbage - a poor performance against a limited mediocre Portsmouth side. Del Prado was a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 It is annoying but if someone had said in August we will be top of the league by a point at Xmas i'm sure we would have laughed.. Exactly. Most of us would have thought being in the playoff places at this time of the season would have been a great result. Yes, I want us to play our best every week but I am still happier as a saints fan today than at any time since 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 5 points from 15. A threadbare bench. Letting a lead slip through sloppy play (to give the corner away and defend it). Time to start earning the money. Of course I would have snapped up top at Xmas, just can't help but feel we've lost our way. I don't think we've lost our way at all. There was no way we could keep up the form we had in the first part of this season, we were always going to have a blip. I don't think we've been playing that badly in the last couple of games, I think we just need another goal threat out wide and in behind to stretch teams a bit more - And NA thinks the same. I'm as frustrated by anyone by the last month but you'd have to be naive to think this patch wouldn't ever happen. We just need to keep calm ourselves, I'm sure the players will keep level headed, and as long as we continue to play with the belief we've shown we'll be there or there abouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raucebysaint Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 definitely need some pace upfront in the january window.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 A little perspective please. Yes, Guly was b0llocks ad bottled the 'header' but Fonte(?) shouldn't have let Thorne have the header back across in the first place. The beauty of Guly is that he'll probably go score in the next game and everyone will scratch their heads in confusion. Pompey were sh!t, and we'll p!iss all over them at St Mary's. They have no money to buy someone who actually knows what it's like to score a goal to replace that donkey Kitson and we're miles ahead of them at the top. Lallana was quality, as was Cork and Hooiveld. Lambert - 1 chance, 1 goal. Not sure why Fox came off, surely a knock?! Onto Palace, but 2 points dropped. Agreed ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Guly was definitely MIA today, he was nowhere near the ball for most of the game. We played it long to try and cancel out their 5-man midfield and I don't think that worked, their defenders were all over Rickie like herpes and Guly was playing too deep and wasn't on the shoulder like he should be if we are playing it long. Good that we didn't lose away from home, but it's something that we really need to improve on if we are going to challenge for the title and not just settle when we're in such a brilliant position to do so at the moment. I can't wait until Chaplow is back, he's been integral in some of our best performances this season running in off the wing. As for the goal, Guly should have done a lot better but he's a striker, not a defender. Really you should have your full-backs on the posts and not your attacking players. I hope that doesn't knock him too much because we still have 2 games before January, those 2 games are crucial for him to prove why he should be starting and we shouldn't bring somebody else in to take his place. One thing that struck me today was that our full-backs weren't overlapping and we were sitting very deep defensively - obviously that was to deal with their long-ball counter-attacking style of play, but I don't think it helped when we were on the attack. A lot of our goals come from out wide, and nobody was overlapping to put in those crosses from the byline, they were coming in deep from Richardson and Fox which made them easier to defend for P*mpey. Still, i'm relatively pleased with a point even though i'm disappointed given that we were ahead. All I can think about now is smashing them at SMS in April! COYR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 A little perspective please. Yes, Guly was b0llocks ad bottled the 'header' but Fonte(?) shouldn't have let Thorne have the header back across in the first place. The beauty of Guly is that he'll probably go score in the next game and everyone will scratch their heads in confusion. Pompey were sh!t, and we'll p!iss all over them at St Mary's. They have no money to buy someone who actually knows what it's like to score a goal to replace that donkey Kitson and we're miles ahead of them at the top. Lallana was quality, as was Cork and Hooiveld. Lambert - 1 chance, 1 goal. Not sure why Fox came off, surely a knock?! Onto Palace, but 2 points dropped. I don't care if Guly scores a hatrick in the next game. The fact was he bottled it in the game which matters the most to me this season........ for that reason his performance was completely unforgivable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 I'm going to get this out of the way first - I criticised Guly for just saying what I saw against Hull. His control was abysmal, he didn't look interested and he was sulking when defenders beat him to the ball. That's the worst I've seen of him. Today he made a mistake, we're all human, but it was the manner of it. Common sense drained out of him and he cost us two points. I don't think he's a bad player but I'm really unimpressed with what I've seen lately. When I heard he was starting I thought it was a mistake, I hate to say it but I was right. That however, is not to say it's his fault entirely. It's not, it would be stupid to say so. We had enough chances to wrap that one up, the only consolation I can take out of that game is that we didn't lose, because we didn't deserve to and it would have felt like the end of the world. We overplayed it at times and didn't do ourselves justice with scoring from just a set piece when there was enough positive signs in open play to merit two or three goals. On the whole, I'll take a point, providing we destroy the bastards in April. They're a crap side, enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 I still have a feeling that we'll find out how important Chappers is to us when he comes back. With a bit of luck our bad spell is almost behind us - and we're still sitting top. I certainly wish Chaplow had been on the end of the chance Schneiderlin squandered near the end, or one of the two Guly had in the second half.Either chance would have put the game to rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltashSaint Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 It was blatantly obvious before the start of the season that we lacked pace up front and it remains blatantly obvious now. Lambert wins so many headers, yet we fail to profit from a large percentage of them because we have no-one with the speed to get on the end of them. De Ridder is not yet ready and Guly, Connolly and Barnard aren't the answer. We have a huge chance this season to go up, but I fear we will blow the opportunity unless we buy a pacey striker and a 'proper' right winger. As for today, I will take a point against a side who played so defensive at home it was embarassing. I would hate to have to watch that crap every week! Of course it is disappointing not to hold on for the win, but every point in this league is crucial and it takes us clear at the top again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Missed out on 3 points but happy with 1 point away in derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Give Guly a f**king break. Been great for the past few months and one poor game gets all the morons out in force to bash him around. Good point at fratton. The build up has taken our eye off the ball of recent weeks,lets come on strong after christmas. COYR! No, he has been lazy and off the boil for a few games now, fair enough as everyone has bad moments but I dont get why NA leaves him on. When the skates changed to 4-4-2 after our goal we should have put Steve on for guly and used his pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
explorer saint Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Give Guly a f**king break. Been great for the past few months and one poor game gets all the morons out in force to bash him around. Good point at fratton. The build up has taken our eye off the ball of recent weeks,lets come on strong after christmas. COYR! No lets not give him a break he is ineffective away from home when we need a bit bottle and are under the cosh starnge decision taking fox off he seemed really up for it and was playing well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Guly has been an enigma since he arrived at the club, sublime skill one minute, hapless clown the next , sometimes in the same game. Today was woeful, including swinging his foot at air after six minutes on the six yard line. We were waiting for De Ridder to come on with ten minutes left, but it didn't happen.Not saying he would have defended their corner but he would provide a threat going forward.It is slightly worrying if we have substitutes on the bench that we now have little confidence in if they are called upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Looks like Chaplow might be back for the next game, so that'll make a difference. Not to mention this result might not be worth anything by the end of the season, depending on what happens to Pompey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 BBC coverage was appaling. I was especially annoyed with Shearer, who talked about the game with the detachment and enthusiasm as if he had just watched Guatemala vs Nicaragua at U-21 level. Didnt he once play for us, and supposedly was there to balance Clarridge and whoever that dork on the co-commentary was ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Looks like Chaplow might be back for the next game, so that'll make a difference. Not to mention this result might not be worth anything by the end of the season, depending on what happens to Pompey. Let's be honest, nothing will happen to them. It is very rare for a professional club these days to go completely tits up, there is always some shred of hope or someone with or without money that will prevent the ultimate calamity. Look at Plymouth - how long were they supposedly hanging on for and about to go out of business? How long were we supposedly away from oblivion? It just doesn't happen at this level. Croydon Athletic I grant you, not Portsmouth though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 First away game today (lucky to get tickets I know) but boy we are a different side away. We dominated the game and just didn't have any killer instinct. Guly was garbage, I'm normally a big fan but he was rubbish today. Adkins baffled me by bringing off fox who I thought played well. Harding should have prevented the corner. Was surprised de ridder didn't come on as his pace might have caused problems at the end. A striker in January is an absolute must. We need a clinical partner for Lambo as he can't Do it all. Very disappointed with a draw, we played well enough to win I thought but for me, Adkins made some mistakes today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Two points dropped given the position we got ourselves in. Infuriating. P*mpey offered next to nothing second half. Might have taken a draw pre-match, but that is definitely 2 points dropped against a mediocre team. Still, top of the league, and one point clear - it could be worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrek Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 I'll take a point, but I'm starting to worry a little about the number of goals we are scoring, given the amount of possession and chances we create. We had 9 shots on target according to the BBC, but I don't remember any of them troubling their keeper other than the goal! That said, we looked solid and played some nice passing football in difficult conditions. Guly for me played as per the last game i.e. got into some good positions but suffered from poor control (especially first touch). Lambert looked brilliant however, and I strongly suspect we missed him more than we realised recently. Adam looked well up for it and embarrassed them at times. Overall, a much better performance than the last couple of trips away, but we clearly need someone else to feed off of Lambert's nod downs and sliding passes. We really are much better than a lot of teams in this league, but we need to sort the final third out and get the goals, and points, that we deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 BBC coverage was appaling. I was especially annoyed with Shearer, who talked about the game with the detachment and enthusiasm as if he had just watched Guatemala vs Nicaragua at U-21 level. Didnt he once play for us, and supposedly was there to balance Clarridge and whoever that dork on the co-commentary was ? In fairness, he did say "No" emphatically when asked if he was happy with that. Keown was the co-commentator I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 This game epitomised Saints performances of late, some nice patterns, relatively toothless and always likely to ship the odd goal. Guly was ineffective, Lallana has still to get back to his best (but slowly getting there) and Schneiderlin although blocking a hole, is in the Benali/Claus class when it comes to it in front of goal. A good goal from Ricky, but lets get one thing very clear, he's the striker and Guly is not and that has a lot to do with our problems. We despearately need a striker or someone to change the pattern of the play. Connolly can do it, if on form, Chaplow can add as well, but above all we need a striker who is capable of playing on the shoulder of the last defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 BBC coverage was appaling. I was especially annoyed with Shearer, who talked about the game with the detachment and enthusiasm as if he had just watched Guatemala vs Nicaragua at U-21 level. Didnt he once play for us, and supposedly was there to balance Clarridge and whoever that dork on the co-commentary was ? Jake Humphreys saying 'perhaps their league position flatters Southampton' with such conviction really ****ed me off. He knows **** all about us, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 I've had a second look. I thought Kelvin's reaction was p*s-poor too. There did seem to be an element of 'dying swan' as he threw himself towards the back post, but I'm just thankful he was starting today to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 BBC coverage was appaling. I was especially annoyed with Shearer, who talked about the game with the detachment and enthusiasm as if he had just watched Guatemala vs Nicaragua at U-21 level. Didnt he once play for us, and supposedly was there to balance Clarridge and whoever that dork on the co-commentary was ? I am used to watching live matches on Sky and have to say that the BBC are the non league equivalent in terms of coverage ! Appalling (with 2 L's) is exactly what it was ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Lazlo78 - lots of fair points, but Guly should not have let Ward bully him like he did. He may not have clean won the ball but he sure as hell could have got in the way and prevented the goal, by being so half arsed he also gave Davis no chance. Chance to redeem himself after an absolutely dreadful performance too. He'll get another chance at Palace on boxing day, so I'm not going to get on his back unless he shows the same lack of effort and bottle then. Also having seen the last 3 away days, I cannot believe anyone still believes we don't need another decent forward and right winger - If we spend £8m on those two positions we go up (and collect £100m) if not it's going to be a huge struggle. Chance to see how much Cortsese wants it - we may never get another chance like it. Cortese can't be that bothered or he would have sorted the problem out back in the summer. No, we showed only modest intent in the summer transfer window. It will cost us promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Jake Humphreys saying 'perhaps their league position flatters Southampton' with such conviction really ****ed me off. He knows **** all about us, obviously. And in fairness to him Claridge was quick to point out that it did not ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 And in fairness to him Claridge was quick to point out that it did not ! Clairidge is an excellent pundit, so balanced and fair, yet really knowledgeable in all of his responses. One of the best pundits out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Cortese can't be that bothered or he would have sorted the problem out back in the summer. No, we showed only modest intent in the summer transfer window. It will cost us promotion. Disagree - as we did have bids for Sharp reported, and possibly Rodriguez.Don't think you can blame the effort or intent here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Clairidge is an excellent pundit, so balanced and fair, yet really knowledgeable in all of his responses. One of the best pundits out there. No, don't go that far...he's still a skate c^nt ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chap in the Chapel Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Christmas's two home fixtures are coming at a good time. It's a chance to put an end to this dip in form that is now starting to ring some alarm bells. Every team gets poor runs though - the best ones just make sure that theirs don't go on for too long. Today's result was a fair one, regardless of how annoying it was to concede fairly late. What little football there was in the match came from us, but Pompey kept scrapping away and I didn't think we were secure at 1-0. They looked more threatening once the second target-man striker came on - an option that it would have been nice to have ourselves. I thought Hooiveld and Hammond did well, as did Rickie, but generally we lacked a bit of sparkle, probably due to the tension of the occasion. Incidentally, although Guly was off his game today and could have defended their goal a lot better, it's noticeable how some fans are only happy when scapegoating. Bialkowski last week, Guly this. Have a think about what he's done for us this season and stop overreacting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVER THE HILL Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Yes it was dire.... coupled with the fact that other than Claridge all the pundits are so caught up in the PL that don't have a f ucking clue about clubs and players outside of the top flight... Despite his pompey connections Claridge easily the best pundit .The coverage poor was poor ,Shearer and Mckeown to totally clueless. Guly and Morgan good players but out of position.Reinforcements needed in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Jake Humphreys saying 'perhaps their league position flatters Southampton' with such conviction really ****ed me off. He knows **** all about us, obviously. This did **** me off. Glad clarridge piped up and put him in his place. I like Jake on the F1 coverage, but I was just waiting for him to get a Norwich soundbite in there at some point. No one cares Jake, shut up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Disagree - as we did have bids for Sharp reported, and possibly Rodriguez.Don't think you can blame the effort or intent here. If we had wanted them enough we WOULD have got them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Another two points dropped - should have beaten them convincingly. As for Guly - dreadful in this match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Well, that was a fair result. One of the worst games of football I've ever seen in term of quality, although we looked like we had more about us than they did. A lot more. Guly was very poor, but he is a luxury player and it says a lot about the work rate of our other players that we can still ground out a result with him being anonymous. I think NA was right to keep him on, as I always feel like he may pull something out of the bag. The game at reading a fine example. His defending for the goal was criminal, but it should never have been a corner in the first place, Harding had more time than he realised. Still, plenty of positives for me, top at Christmas, players not affected by the atmosphere, Hooiveld and Fonte were awesome, Chaplow still to come back, and most importantly, we didn't lose. I said I'd be happy with a draw beforehand. HOWEVER we really do need a striker in Jan. A Billy Sharp upfront would have won that game for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Probably a fair result but Saints could and should have won it! Guly had a shocker! after the furst half i would agree but at the end with the amount of posession and chances 3pts is what we should be taking back home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Poor match fair result, really struggling to create chances away. I hope we pick up someone with an extra touch of class like Sharp or Maynard in January to unlock teams away, Guly is too hot and cold. I hope Chaplow is back soon. But hey, top at Christmas, l'll take that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny R Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Clairidge is an excellent pundit, so balanced and fair, yet really knowledgeable in all of his responses. One of the best pundits out there. I used to hate him saying we were ****, however it turns out we were at the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Garbage - a poor performance against a limited mediocre Portsmouth side. Del Prado was a joke. Come back when you've learned the players names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughnutman Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Jake Humphreys saying 'perhaps their league position flatters Southampton' with such conviction really ****ed me off. He knows **** all about us, obviously. I have to say fair play for Claridge for putting him in his place on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 It was blatantly obvious before the start of the season that we lacked pace up front and it remains blatantly obvious now. Lambert wins so many headers, yet we fail to profit from a large percentage of them because we have no-one with the speed to get on the end of them. De Ridder is not yet ready and Guly, Connolly and Barnard aren't the answer. We have a huge chance this season to go up, but I fear we will blow the opportunity unless we buy a pacey striker and a 'proper' right winger. As for today, I will take a point against a side who played so defensive at home it was embarassing. I would hate to have to watch that crap every week! Of course it is disappointing not to hold on for the win, but every point in this league is crucial and it takes us clear at the top again. Sharp and Adomah in the transfer window and we will go up . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 Their reactions tell you all you need to know about that game. They're delighted with a point - I'm reading about people on Twitter going for a pint to ****ing celebrate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Matty Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 In fairness Guly looked no different today to how he always looks on the field. On a good day he plays like that scores and everyone loves him on a bad day he plays exactly the same doesn't score and everyone hates him........ Good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 If we had wanted them enough we WOULD have got them. You are mental. If the player says 'I don't want to play for you' that's it. Unless you want to break the bank. What happened to all the ****s who came on here and said we'd lose? Now they're bleating that we drew! We are the best side in the Championship - the table says so. Deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 If we had wanted them enough we WOULD have got them. Sharp - did not want to move south, possibly due to his wife expecting Rodriguez - is reported to have wanted to stay with his home town club at this stage of his career. Not sure us wanting them more, would have tempted them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 You are mental. If the player says 'I don't want to play for you' that's it. Unless you want to break the bank. What happened to all the ****s who came on here and said we'd lose? Now they're bleating that we drew! We are the best side in the Championship - the table says so. Deal with it. I realise that is largely aimed at Dalek, but the current form table might suggest otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperm_john Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 i feel the time for guly to warm to bench for a while has come, the trouble is, who do we bloody replace him with ...roll on january Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 I only watched on telly so will be interested to hear reactions from those who were there? For my money we had ten players who played ok to very well...Guly had an off day but we should not pillory him for it as we know he's equally capable of producing moments of genius. Thought Morgan, Jos and Cork were probably the best of the crop though you expect excellence as the norm from Lallana and Ricky. This was their cup final...they didn't win it. We will own them at St Mary's. Oh -and BBC coverage was sh*t, Halsey was competent and the skate following was exposed as weak, srinking and unsavoury so coupled with a point roll on April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 18 December, 2011 Share Posted 18 December, 2011 We're going through a little phase but no-one can say it is a big issue. We didn't play great today, but we kept things tight and nearly got the second that would have secured the three points. Disappointing to only get a point, but where we are at the top of the league on merit and a couple of home games now to gather some momentum ahead of a tough January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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