Barry the Badger Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 We are top by luck You are absolutely f**king unbelievable.
shurlock Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 Its no use blaming a forward for not being an instinctive defender as well. A FB would have handled the cross differently but Guly is not a FB. Harding and Richardson should have been on the posts, so you could blame Richardson for being AWOL but personally, I blame the club management, NA and NC for not consolidating our position with a loan striker when Connolly and Barnard have been out with injury. We are top by luck, not judgement, so now we need judgement in the January window to make sure this fantastic chance isn't blown. Is that the same guly who cleared one off the line at donny and coventry (amongst others). You should get out and watch us a bit more. Maybe your posts wouldn't be so full of sh*t that way.
Mowgli Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 Why do we need to blame anyone? It was a goal the team conceded and you can go back and over analyse the performance of a number of players on that goal (the ame as you can for the Pompey goal). At the end of the day, a draw was not IMO an unfair reflection of a scrappy game. Blue line. move on.
Chez Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 We are top by luck, not judgement, ********. We are top because we have been the best side up to now and there must be a fair amount of judgement used to enable us to be the best.
View From The Top Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 Its no use blaming a forward for not being an instinctive defender as well. A FB would have handled the cross differently but Guly is not a FB. Harding and Richardson should have been on the posts, so you could blame Richardson for being AWOL but personally, I blame the club management, NA and NC for not consolidating our position with a loan striker when Connolly and Barnard have been out with injury. We are top by luck, not judgement, so now we need judgement in the January window to make sure this fantastic chance isn't blown. You really are a clueless cock.
NickG Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 Its no use blaming a forward for not being an instinctive defender as well. A FB would have handled the cross differently but Guly is not a FB. Harding and Richardson should have been on the posts, so you could blame Richardson for being AWOL but personally, I blame the club management, NA and NC for not consolidating our position with a loan striker when Connolly and Barnard have been out with injury. We are top by luck, not judgement, so now we need judgement in the January window to make sure this fantastic chance isn't blown. was going to post.. It's comforting to know that if we were bottom you wouldn't blame the club management and would know it was just because of bad luck. You really are a clueless cock. but this probably puts it clearly!
Sour Mash Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 Why do we need to blame anyone? It was a goal the team conceded and you can go back and over analyse the performance of a number of players on that goal (the ame as you can for the Pompey goal). At the end of the day, a draw was not IMO an unfair reflection of a scrappy game. Blue line. move on. The problem is overall, we aren't great defensively away from home. When was the last time we had a clean sheet away from home? Barnsley in early August wasn't it? Also, it wouldn't be so much of a problem is we were more clinical with all the possession we have around their 18 yard box how many times did we test the keeper? The problem is overall our squad as a whole is lacking. I think we still need to strengthen at centre back, another forward and maybe a midfielder that gets into the box and gets on the scoresheet. Looking through our team, apart from Lambert, who else has a really good dig on them?
View From The Top Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 The problem is overall, we aren't great defensively away from home. When was the last time we had a clean sheet away from home? Barnsley in early August wasn't it? Also, it wouldn't be so much of a problem is we were more clinical with all the possession we have around their 18 yard box how many times did we test the keeper? The problem is overall our squad as a whole is lacking. I think we still need to strengthen at centre back, another forward and maybe a midfielder that gets into the box and gets on the scoresheet. Looking through our team, apart from Lambert, who else has a really good dig on them? The same as every other club in the country!
Sour Mash Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 The same as every other club in the country! Of course. But it'll be an interesting test of NC's great ambition we've been hearing about. And Adkins ability in the transfer market which I've still got a bit of a question mark over.
Professor Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 You are absolutely f**king unbelievable. If you expected WHU to drop 6 points in two games, congratualations on such foresight, but in view of the swearing, thats the last of your posts I'll read.
Professor Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 Is that the same guly who cleared one off the line at donny and coventry (amongst others). You should get out and watch us a bit more. Maybe your posts wouldn't be so full of sh*t that way. If you don't like it, don't read them. Its not compulsory!
Professor Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 You really are a clueless cock. Made you think up a witty response though, just hope it didn't hurt too much.
ottery st mary Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 (edited) :rolleyes:Luck ? What about...Skill, determination , organisation , perserverance , mind over matter...we don't mind and the rest don't matter:rolleyes: Not forgetting our, Rikeee...and our good looking Skipper, Deano:blush: Sorry...I meant the good looking Spiderman.... Edited 20 December, 2011 by ottery st mary
SaintRobbie Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 Just watching on BBC News people getting upset about businesses failing to pay back Billions in tax… I seem to recall Pompey were let off their tax bill. I want Pompey to survive - don't get me wrong - I love beating them and subjecting them to a humiliating draw at Farton Park. Oh how the screw turns in the Pompey gut as we continually improve. But, surely they should have paid their taxes?
Professor Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 was going to post.. It's comforting to know that if we were bottom you wouldn't blame the club management and would know it was just because of bad luck. Ah! Nick the Lick. Do we need to make any January signings? - wait and see what Nigel does; if we sign anyone, he's right to do it, and if we don't, he's right not to. Very decisive.
Sour Mash Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 Just watching on BBC News people getting upset about businesses failing to pay back Billions in tax… I seem to recall Pompey were let off their tax bill. I want Pompey to survive - don't get me wrong - I love beating them and subjecting them to a humiliating draw at Farton Park. Oh how the screw turns in the Pompey gut as we continually improve. But, surely they should have paid their taxes? It wasn't really humilating though was it. In my eyes, we still owe them big time and part of me is disappointed with the draw. We really need to be able to shove thei "4-1 in your own back yard" back down their throats. Reading this website, the impression one can get from some of the posters on here is we're on our way to be the next Bacelona, while the Skates are completely out on their @rse and can barely get a team out - yet we only draw with them on Sunday?
warsash saint Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 The skates certainly were impressed with the Lallana 'sway' thingy (read the full comments after story) http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/great-matches/thorne_returns_to_baggies_1_3351666?commentspage=0
shurlock Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 It wasn't really humilating though was it. In my eyes, we still owe them big time and part of me is disappointed with the draw. We really need to be able to shove thei "4-1 in your own back yard" back down their throats. Reading this website, the impression one can get from some of the posters on here is we're on our way to be the next Bacelona, while the Skates are completely out on their @rse and can barely get a team out - yet we only draw with them on Sunday? Sunday's result was OK from the perspective of recent away results/performances but irrelevant in terms of retribution. We still owe them massively. Found it odd that they focused on the 4-1 at our place - given the circumstances, it hardly registers compared to the 2005 result, Harry's subsequent antics and the way they've repeatedly escaped accountability. Whats for sure is that April's fixture could be sweet on so many fronts.
Saints foreva Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 Them failing to beat us at Fratton will make a defeat at St. Mary's more painful for their supporters.
alpine_saint Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 Ah! Nick the Lick. Do we need to make any January signings? - wait and see what Nigel does; if we sign anyone, he's right to do it, and if we don't, he's right not to. Very decisive. I like the Nick-name (pun intended). May I use it ?
Sour Mash Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 Sunday's result was OK from the perspective of recent away results/performances but irrelevant in terms of retribution. We still owe them massively. Found it odd that they focused on the 4-1 at our place - given the circumstances, it hardly registers compared to the 2005 result, Harry's subsequent antics and the way they've repeatedly escaped accountability. Whats for sure is that April's fixture could be sweet on so many fronts. Pretty much agreed, but its the old "In their own back yard", there is always something about winning away at your rivals by a fair few goals that will stand out. For retribution, we need to not only beat them at ours, but ideally by a fair few and for it to have a really detrimental effect on their season, say 4-1 to send them down would have a nice ring to it............
derry Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 I think a wider point here is whether or not its worth having the likes of Lallana and Guly back at corners in the first place. If you're relying on Guly to win a 50-50 to prevent a goal then you already know that the whole defensive effort has failed somewhere already. We had all 10 outfield players in our own box, they had 7 in the box, with one taking the corner, one on halfway and the remaining outfield player in between our box and halfway. If Guly and Lallana go and stand on halfway then in all likelihood they would have put a further 2 defenders with them (might have been less cautious if deep in injury time) which would have left 8 v 5 in the box, still 3 more but more proportionately an increase plus you've got rid of the weaklinks to provide an attacking threat. This is a very relevant point. I have always held the view that unless the attackers can bring definite defensive qualities, such as Lambert in the air, to these situations, just having them there allows the opponents into the box. Keeping three useless defenders up would not weaken our defence but would force the opponents to take people out of our box to cover them and the space in between. In the end five would probably be the maximum opponents to mark. Schneiderlin nearly always loses his man and rarely wins a defensive header. Defending crosses is easier if the dominant headers attack the ball rather than try and run interference on the opponents, that should be left to the less effective defenders. Fonte, Hoiveldt and Lambert close marking is stopping them effectively attacking the ball. The fewer in the box the easier it is for the dominant defenders to win the ball.
ottery st mary Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 (edited) The problem as highlighted with Spiderman is he can't defend from corners or set pieces... His marking is non exisistent, heading:rolleyes: tackling:blush: But then again if you leave him upfield:lol: He has proved he can't shoot either.. There is talent there somewhere though:? Edited 20 December, 2011 by ottery st mary spellin all wong
NickG Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 Ah! Nick the Lick. Do we need to make any January signings? - wait and see what Nigel does; if we sign anyone, he's right to do it, and if we don't, he's right not to. Very decisive. What does 'need' mean in this context? Is our team / management failing to match other teams so far this season and 'need' signings? No. Does the current squad 'need' improving to guarantee promotion? Of course. Does the squad 'need' improving to convince neutrals that we are likely to go up? No. Are we weak in any position? I don't think so - if Seaborn and Jaidi are unlikely to be fit then probably need one more CB. Should we sign a player if the club can attract one, in any position, that would improve the team and fit in? Yes - as we saw with Fox, probably one position that no-one felt we were weak in but Adkins saw an opportunity to improve. Are we top of the league due to good management or luck? Only an idiot who knows **** all about football would say a team who is top (one point clear and better goal difference) and 11 points miles better goal difference than 7th is there by luck. We are one game away from half way through the season. We will be top or second. Luck? Clueless!
S-Clarke Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 If anyone thinks we're top by luck, then they haven't got a clue. winning against Birmingham 4-1, Ipswich 5-2, Forest 3-2, Boro 3-0 isn't luck. That's about having a good team. We're still top, even after our blip, because we had generated such a good lead. That wasn't a lucky lead, it was a lead based on us performing at a consistent and dominant level for months.
Thedelldays Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 are people really saying we are lucky..? dear god
um pahars Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 are people really saying we are lucky..? dear god No they are not, just one person.
adrian lord Posted 20 December, 2011 Posted 20 December, 2011 The table doesn't lie, and at Christmas, it is far too far into the season for luck to be the reason we are there.
Window Cleaner Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 Guly could definitely have been more commited in his attempt to get the ball. However, as the corner is taken who is the player marking Ward? It's Lallana. I'm not one for scapegoating, players will make mistakes, so I feel a bit bad for highlighting this. But for Guly to get ripped apart for the goal is completely short sighted. I wonder what we would be talking about if Guly had left his man at a corner and Lallana then not made the header. My bet is we would be talking about Guly. I've just seen the game after 4 days on the road and it would seem to me that Lallana has no idea of how to defend, when his man is going for the ball he's wandering away towards the Portsmouth goal,no attention paid to what's happening whatsover.Mind you he's not a defender is he.Plus an old fashioned keeper would probably have come out for the first ball and certainly for the second.
saintscottofthenortham Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 My problem with Guly isn't with his part in their sh1t goal, it was his lack of a part during the entire game.
Window Cleaner Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 On looking more closely at the photo I'd say Pompey should have had a penalty anyway, Richardson and Davis both seem to be holding back the most advanced Pompey player.
doddisalegend Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 My problem with Guly isn't with his part in their sh1t goal, it was his lack of a part during the entire game. He plays like that every game if he'd put his two chances away everyone would be creaming themselves over him right now. I think people neeed to except that guly will always look a bit dis-intrested and make a few **** passes but he will also get goals (7 so far is more than some teams strikers and only two behind Billy Sharp that everyone wants to sign) which is what counts.
Barry the Badger Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 (7 so far is more than some teams strikers and only two behind Billy Sharp that everyone wants to sign) which is what counts. Guly - 45 shots (21 on target) - 7 goals Sharp - 21 shots (13 on target) - 9 goals Who is more productive in front of goal do you think? I love Guly, but these arguments are so flawed. He's nowhere near as prolific as Sharp.
doddisalegend Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 Guly - 45 shots (21 on target) - 7 goals Sharp - 21 shots (13 on target) - 9 goals Who is more productive in front of goal do you think? I love Guly, but these arguments are so flawed. He's nowhere near as prolific as Sharp. So Guly's workrate (attempts on goal) is twice that of Sharp's......... I'm not suggesting for one miniute I wouldn't want Sharp. I'm merely pointing out Guly came to us as an attacking midfielder and has been forced to play out wide and as a striker and he has still notched up seven goals and by the looks of it has managed to get himself into a postion to shoot 45 times (not bad for a lazy f ucker). The only thing that matters is he is getting goals I really don't mind if he runs around looking bored if he is getting into postions to shoot and putting a decent number away while playing out of postion thats good enough for me.
Mowgli Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 Guly - 45 shots (21 on target) - 7 goals Sharp - 21 shots (13 on target) - 9 goals Who is more productive in front of goal do you think? I love Guly, but these arguments are so flawed. He's nowhere near as prolific as Sharp. How does it do that exactly? It says Guly is getting an average of 2 shots per game against Sharps 1.4. His shots on target shots are 0.95 against Sharps 0.86 but he is scoring once every 3 games whereas Sharp is better than every other game. so his workrate is higher but his finishing inferior. Would love to see the stats on assists but I suspect we will end up concluding they both serve their teams well. You can do anything with stats can't you!!
Sour Mash Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 How does it do that exactly? It says Guly is getting an average of 2 shots per game against Sharps 1.4. His shots on target shots are 0.95 against Sharps 0.86 but he is scoring once every 3 games whereas Sharp is better than every other game. so his workrate is higher but his finishing inferior. Would love to see the stats on assists but I suspect we will end up concluding they both serve their teams well. You can do anything with stats can't you!! Surely you need to look at how many minutes each player spends on the pitch? Also, Guly playing in a winning, goal scoring team, Sharpe in a team struggling at the bottom of the league?
Sour Mash Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 (edited) The more I think about this result, the more disappointed I am. When will we get a better chance to properly take the p**s out of them down there? Edited 21 December, 2011 by Sour Mash
Chez Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 The more I think about this result, the more disappointed I am. When will get a better chance to properly take the p**s out of them down there?that's how I feel. We didn't embarrass them as some have suggest, we just wasted the opportunity to get our first 3 points there for 35 years and some much needed bragging rights after the 1-4 defeats.
Window Cleaner Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 Guly - 45 shots (21 on target) - 7 goals Sharp - 21 shots (13 on target) - 9 goals Who is more productive in front of goal do you think? I love Guly, but these arguments are so flawed. He's nowhere near as prolific as Sharp. Here's a little statistic for you. Sharp 13 starts + 2 subs Guly 24 starts + 1 subs So Guly has played nearly twice as much football as Sharp.I'd like to see how Sharp will be looking with 25 games in his legs.
derry Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 Here's a little statistic for you. Sharp 13 starts + 2 subs Guly 24 starts + 1 subs So Guly has played nearly twice as much football as Sharp.I'd like to see how Sharp will be looking with 25 games in his legs. Sharp does spend a fair bit of the season not playing. Maybe it's a 40 games a season player we need, however efficient he is if we signed him and he didn't play much it wouldn't help us.
sfc4prem Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 that's how I feel. We didn't embarrass them as some have suggest, we just wasted the opportunity to get our first 3 points there for 35 years and some much needed bragging rights after the 1-4 defeats. Whahaaaha, bragging rights? Who gives a ****e about bragging rights, especially when it is possible we will be two leagues above them next season. They're insignificant.
benjii Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 We are top by luck, not judgement What a spazz!
Sour Mash Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 Whahaaaha, bragging rights? Who gives a ****e about bragging rights, especially when it is possible we will be two leagues above them next season. They're insignificant. You're absolutely clueless.
benjii Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 On looking more closely at the photo I'd say Pompey should have had a penalty anyway, Richardson and Davis both seem to be holding back the most advanced Pompey player. You don't half post some ****e.
sfc4prem Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 You're absolutely clueless. Nah, I just think the hatred between the two FOOTBALL teams is pathetic. Much more to life than that.
benjii Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 You're absolutely clueless. No he's not. We beat them at home the season we got relegated from the Prem. It was Wigley's only victory. hilarious. Brilliant. "Sarfamptin till oi die" etc... Would you have swapped that win for a defeat and staying up as Man U scored their second on the final day... of course you would (no matter how wrongheaded you are). They are a joke and an embarrassment to football. Frankly I hope they disappear as they are disgusting beyond words. I hope I never feel compelled to have to visit that ****hole again. It would have been nice to sign off with a win but as they continue their slow slide into lower league oblivion and we are on an upward trajectory only a strange person would be more concerned about the result of a single league game.
Sour Mash Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 Nah, I just think the hatred between the two FOOTBALL teams is pathetic. Much more to life than that. Who's saying there isn't more to life? What's that got to do with wanting to thrash the skates in their own back yard? That's what any NORMAL football fan would want.
Sour Mash Posted 21 December, 2011 Posted 21 December, 2011 No he's not. We beat them at home the season we got relegated from the Prem. It was Wigley's only victory. hilarious. Brilliant. "Sarfamptin till oi die" etc... Would you have swapped that win for a defeat and staying up as Man U scored their second on the final day... of course you would (no matter how wrongheaded you are). They are a joke and an embarrassment to football. Frankly I hope they disappear as they are disgusting beyond words. I hope I never feel compelled to have to visit that ****hole again. It would have been nice to sign off with a win but as they continue their slow slide into lower league oblivion and we are on an upward trajectory only a strange person would be more concerned about the result of a single league game. Only a very strange person wouldn't want to take the opportunity of thrashing their local rivals away from home. Very odd.
Minty Posted 22 December, 2011 Posted 22 December, 2011 I think this can be unstickied now, surely? Time to move on.
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