Saintandy666 Posted 4 August, 2012 Share Posted 4 August, 2012 brown was treated harshly because he was a major factor in hundreds of thousands dead in the middle east, the very poor state the UK was in with no money in reserve and the facts he made goof after goof on personal levels to voters You sort of agree with me here on your third point. On a personal level he failed to connect because of how his personality was perceived. I think it would be wrong to suggest that personality doesn't play a huge part in modern politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 August, 2012 Share Posted 4 August, 2012 You sort of agree with me here on your third point. On a personal level he failed to connect because of how his personality was perceived. I think it would be wrong to suggest that personality doesn't play a huge part in modern politics. of course.......but stop being patronising...brown was slated for much more than his dour ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 August, 2012 Share Posted 4 August, 2012 You sort of agree with me here on your third point. On a personal level he failed to connect because of how his personality was perceived. I think it would be wrong to suggest that personality doesn't play a huge part in modern politics. Absolutely no one disputed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 4 August, 2012 Share Posted 4 August, 2012 Of course it is, but to suggest that Boris would get elected purely because he is funny is doing him and the British public a disservice. I'm not doing them a disservice at all. Most people don't discuss politics at all, maybe once every few years when an election comes round. Most people vote along tribal lines because they have always voted that way and don't give that much thought to finer details. Most people do not delve into the specifics of manifestos and so on. So in the end it comes down to maybe a couple of key policies people like the sound of and whether they person is likeable or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 4 August, 2012 Share Posted 4 August, 2012 of course.......but stop being patronising...brown was slated for much more than his dour ways I'm not saying he wasn't. But personality is still of huge importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 August, 2012 Share Posted 4 August, 2012 I'm not doing them a disservice at all. Most people don't discuss politics at all, maybe once every few years when an election comes round. Most people vote along tribal lines because they have always voted that way and don't give that much thought to finer details. Most people do not delve into the specifics of manifestos and so on. So in the end it comes down to maybe a couple of key policies people like the sound of and whether they person is likeable or not. I would say, you, pap and the like included Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 4 August, 2012 Share Posted 4 August, 2012 I'm not doing them a disservice at all. Most people don't discuss politics at all, maybe once every few years when an election comes round. Most people vote along tribal lines because they have always voted that way and don't give that much thought to finer details. Most people do not delve into the specifics of manifestos and so on. So in the end it comes down to maybe a couple of key policies people like the sound of and whether they person is likeable or not. I ain't most people, i don't think anyone is, but i can back Andy up here in that he's pretty much described me. I mean I ain't ever done a vote yet, but i might if Jimmy Carr or David Beckham or someone was running! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 4 August, 2012 Share Posted 4 August, 2012 (edited) I would say, you, pap and the like included Probably, although I would argue that I have looked at the finer details of what parties believe what. I would happily vote for most parties though if they came up with a manifesto I could agree with. Edited 4 August, 2012 by Saintandy666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 He can take that stance now whilst he is Mayor of London. Just like Cameron could do a lot of talking prior to being PM. Cameron isn't hindered by being PM, he's hindered by being in a coalition government... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 I would say, you, pap and the like included I'm sure that you would, but then you say a lot of silly things, TDD. Keep trying mate, maybe one time you'll get a proper rise out of me instead of a nonchalant dressing down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 Cameron isn't hindered by being PM, he's hindered by being in a coalition government... Cameron chose to be in coalition. The man didn't have the balls to go back to the public to secure a proper mandate, so the deal with the Lib Dems was done. Cameron believed that he could be an effective Prime Minister under such an arrangement. He was wrong, and will have to face the electoral consequences of that decision. The coalition was always just one of several possible outcomes of that election. Cameron not only chose that outcome, but seems to have developed the idea that the Coalition is just a Conservative government with some convenient Lib Dems to hang crap policy on. Governing in the national interest? Don't make me laugh. Governing for self-interest and private interest, more like. The coalition hinders Cameron, sure - but it was his choice, and as such, it shouldn't be used as any sort of excuse for the otherwise pitiful performance of our PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 http://m.myfinances.co.uk/pensions/2012/08/05/niesr-calls-on-uk-to-delay-austerity-to-boost-economic-growt Grim reading for the Eton boys. Key points:- "NIESR says that had the austerity measures been delayed from 2011 to 2014, the economy would have delivered £239 billion more economic output and a200,000 jobs could have been saved". "The think-tank also warns that austerity measures may have cost the UK's GDP up to 16.5 per cent in cumulative economic growth". "Despite £18.5 billion extra cuts being made in 2012-13, the deficit is expected to increase by £12 billion to £138.5 billion". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/05/sonia-purnell-boris-johnson-not-prime-minister-material Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 I'm sure that you would, but then you say a lot of silly things, TDD. Keep trying mate, maybe one time you'll get a proper rise out of me instead of a nonchalant dressing down. haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 I've always known what Boris is about. Politics is politics and you do have to have many faces to get ahead. As I said though, unlike other politicians Boris isn't afraid to stand up for what he believes in. Like his stance on Europe, no other mainstream politician would dare to take a similar stance but he does and he has my admiration for that. Many Tories believe that Boris + binding EU referendum after election = landslide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 Many Tories believe that Boris + binding EU referendum after election = landslide. Well I would certainly hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 Well I would certainly hope so. It would be a smart move. It'd kill UKIP pretty much instantly, plus Labour would have to promise the same or face electoral oblivion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/05/sonia-purnell-boris-johnson-not-prime-minister-material A strange editorial piece without a single shred of evidence that the whole Boris persona is stage managed. Even if it were, he's hugely more likeable and interesting than the average Labour MP and his opinions make sense. Pathetically trying to claim he has no friends- there is no evidence for that claim. What ridiculous bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 A strange editorial piece without a single shred of evidence that the whole Boris persona is stage managed. Even if it were, he's hugely more likeable and interesting than the average Labour MP and his opinions make sense. Pathetically trying to claim he has no friends- there is no evidence for that claim. What ridiculous bias. Are you being serious, hypo? Stage-managed or not, that article contains enough verifiable information to cast serious doubt on Johnson's credentials as PM, such as going through three police commissioners or the scandals that have surrounded his administration. And no, the article can't prove that Boris is billy-no-mates, but he has left a trail of former friends in his wake. That does strike me as a bit odd. Did he bumble his way out of their affections? I think Boris realised early on that the buffoon act was a winner and is planning to rinse and repeat to get to Downing Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 Pap really is "Dune" of the left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 Just imagine Boris as the public/ political face of Britain on the World stage, representing our interests at the G7 or some other geo-political summit. Frightening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 Pap really is "Dune" of the left stevegrant did this one a couple of months ago. I enjoyed it then and enjoy it now. Bravo, TDD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintfully Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 Just imagine Boris as the public/ political face of Britain on the World stage, representing our interests at the G7 or some other geo-political summit. Frightening. Agreed - our equivalent of Berlosconi. A pitiful joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 Agreed - our equivalent of Berlosconi. A pitiful joke. Except that Boris is highly intelligent unlike Berlosconi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 stevegrant did this one a couple of months ago. I enjoyed it then and enjoy it now. Bravo, TDD. You just dislike him because he doesn't like scousers. He just says what everyone else is thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 You just dislike him because he doesn't like scousers. He just says what everyone else is thinking. Not everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 You just dislike him because he doesn't like scousers. He just says what everyone else is thinking. What is this? Happy hour at the "Push Pap's Buttons Bar"? Nice try. Won't work. I don't want to get into an argument with you anyway, hypo. I'm scared of your bird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 Not everyone What everyone who aren't rabid lefties are thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 Pap really is "Dune" of the left Tries to think of the perfect dull leftie. So many to choose from... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 Tries to think of the perfect dull leftie. So many to choose from... Just think of yourself and translate it to the other side of the political spectrum. Easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 Pap really is "Dune" of the left Tries to think of the perfect dull leftie. So many to choose from... Are you therefore admitting that you are the 'perfect dull' rightie ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 I like Boris but doubt he could cut it as the leader of a party. As London Mayor you get your face in the paper lots but dont have to make too many tough decisions, nor even be particularly party political. You just have to be likeable, which he is. Funny left field comments are ideal as Mayor - they would get him torn apart as PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 Most lefties are against smacking, not sure about Boorish's stance though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 5 August, 2012 Share Posted 5 August, 2012 A strange editorial piece without a single shred of evidence that the whole Boris persona is stage managed. Even if it were, he's hugely more likeable and interesting than the average Labour MP and his opinions make sense. Pathetically trying to claim he has no friends- there is no evidence for that claim. What ridiculous bias. Did you cut and paste that? Suspicious amount of long words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintfully Posted 6 August, 2012 Share Posted 6 August, 2012 Except that Boris is highly intelligent unlike Berlosconi. I see no evidence to support either of those claims - for a start, Berlosconi is a self-made man. Anyway, my comment was not related to intelligence but to the fact that neither seem capable of keeping it in their trousers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 6 August, 2012 Share Posted 6 August, 2012 It's really sad that most posters on here cannot debate any subject without descending into bickering on party lines and name calling . "boorish" that is soooo funny. I like boris, he's good fun. As PM, Not for me, his (adopted) persona works at the local level, but not on the world stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Boris is Britain's most respected politician, according to survey. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/sep/14/boris-johnson-most-respected-politician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Boris is Britain's most respected politician, according to survey. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/sep/14/boris-johnson-most-respected-politician Not surprised. He should be Prime Minister. I would absolutely love it. It would also feck little Andy right off which would be a great bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 Boris is Britain's most respected politician, according to survey. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/sep/14/boris-johnson-most-respected-politician You mean people actually respect politicians? FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 When they finally get the right one and ban me on there (shouldn't be hard to work out because hardly any people post on there anyway) they will crow about it but it would take me about twenty seconds to make a new account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 14 September, 2012 Share Posted 14 September, 2012 According to Ian Hislop: People always ask me the same question, they say, 'Is Boris a very, very clever man pretending to be an idiot?' And I always say, 'No.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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