John Boy Saint Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Twice today with our result already in the bag, TV Footie show hosts have said "West Ham" could go top today. Now I sit here open to being corrected, but West Ham would have had to beat Reading by 3 clear goals if based on goal difference. But as understand it in this league goals scored is the deciding factor, so at 3 o'clock, based on my understanding, West Ham would have had to win 8-0 to have gone top. Over to you good folks............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Huh? If teams are level on points it goes to goal difference and THEN goals scored if still level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr saint Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Lol. You've just made yourself look like a clueless idiot on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 I'm still not sure if this was a serious question?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 11 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Lol. You've just made yourself look like a clueless idiot on the internet. Maybe so: but yes the Prem works on goal difference first, but I am pretty certain that in the Championship, based on close run things in previous seasons, that GOALS SCORED comes before goal difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Maybe so: but yes the Prem works on goal difference first, but I am pretty certain that in the Championship, based on close run things in previous seasons, that GOALS SCORED comes before goal difference. No, that'd be silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Haha amazing thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 11 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 11 December, 2011 (edited) Seeing as I am being shredded here, thanks to the t'internet and a Racing Paper website I have found the answer And was not massively wide of the mark!. If two or more teams finish level on points the team with the better goal difference will finish higher. If two or more teams have the same points and the same goal difference, the team which has scored the higher number of goals will finish higher. If two or more teams finish level on points, goal difference and goals scored at the end of the season and the championship, a promotion place, play-off place or relegation place is at stake they will then play off to decide who finishes higher. If two or more teams are level before the endof the season on points, goal difference and goals scored, then alphabetical order will determine the team finishing higher. So West Ham would have had to win by 3 clear goals at Reading, and a 6 goal swing next weekend prevents us being top for Christmas. Edited 11 December, 2011 by John Boy Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somewhere In Northam Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 wow. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the colonel Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Seeing as I am being shredded here, thanks to the t'internet and a Racing Paper website I have found the answer And was not massively wide of the mark!. If two or more teams finish level on points the team with the better goal difference will finish higher. If two or more teams have the same points and the same goal difference, the team which has scored the higher number of goals will finish higher. If two or more teams finish level on points, goal difference and goals scored at the end of the season and the championship, a promotion place, play-off place or relegation place is at stake they will then play off to decide who finishes higher. If two or more teams are level before the end of the season on points, goal difference and goals scored, then alphabetical order will determine the team finishing higher. So West Ham would have had to win by 3 clear goals at Reading, and a 6 goal swing prevents us being top for Christmas. Doh! So in other words you were wrong. Goal difference counts not goals scored unless difference is equal. Don't worry it has only been this way since the beginning Association Football. Sometimes 148 years just isn't long enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Donovan Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Wow!! Epic fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Seeing as I am being shredded here, thanks to the t'internet and a Racing Paper website I have found the answer And was not massively wide of the mark!. If two or more teams finish level on points the team with the better goal difference will finish higher. If two or more teams have the same points and the same goal difference, the team which has scored the higher number of goals will finish higher. If two or more teams finish level on points, goal difference and goals scored at the end of the season and the championship, a promotion place, play-off place or relegation place is at stake they will then play off to decide who finishes higher. If two or more teams are level before the endof the season on points, goal difference and goals scored, then alphabetical order will determine the team finishing higher. So West Ham would have had to win by 3 clear goals at Reading, and a 6 goal swing next weekend prevents us being top for Christmas. You should put an ironic winky smiley thing after that first sentence, so people think that you know you were completely wrong. Because you were completely wrong, and your 'answer' proves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Doh! So in other words you were wrong. Goal difference counts not goals scored unless difference is equal. Don't worry it has only been this way since the beginning Association Football. Sometimes 148 years just isn't long enough Goal average and goals scored have been used in the past. Goals scored was still being used in the Football League (not the Prem) until the mid/late 1990s I'm pretty sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Well it's after midnight, so at least Bart wont have his 'Fail of the Day' award snatched from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 11 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Doh! So in other words you were wrong. Goal difference counts not goals scored unless difference is equal. Don't worry it has only been this way since the beginning Association Football. Sometimes 148 years just isn't long enough No Sh!t Shurlock!! I only questioned it because a few seasons ago there was some anomaly that came up with league positions, being close and, either, a Radoi or TV commentator said that goals scored was the deciding factor in the football league. Blimey ask an innocent possibly naive question, and get to made to feel like one of the Three Biily Goats Gruff, with all the late night Trolls coming out from under the bridge. Cheers and merry bloody Christmas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 No Sh!t Shurlock!! I only questioned it because a few seasons ago there was some anomaly that came up with league positions, being close and, either, a Radoi or TV commentator said that goals scored was the deciding factor in the football league. Blimey ask an innocent possibly naive question, and get to made to feel like one of the Three Biily Goats Gruff, with all the late night Trolls coming out from under the bridge. Cheers and merry bloody Christmas! Haha, relax! It's called a brain fart, happens to us all. At some point tomorrow, or monday you will stop and think 'wait... why the **** did I think that was the case?' and normal service will be resumed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 The Football League has always been on the basis of goal difference since I can remember! However, there is at least one significant football tournament which has experimented with a variation on this. The variation which has popularly been used is for positions to be decided on the result between the two teams who share the smae point score. In my opinion it's a silly system and goal difference will always be the best way to decide it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 I'm just gonna pretend I never saw this thread. I'm doing John Boy a favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO5 4BW Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Goals scored was used in the Football League in the early 1990s - from the split from the Premier league in 1992 up to 1999. In the first season the skates missed out on automatic promotion to West Ham by one goal - and then lost in the play-offs. Swindon went up, who'd finished 12 points behind the fishy ones. Great system then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud mark of doom Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 The Football League has always been on the basis of goal difference since I can remember! However, there is at least one significant football tournament which has experimented with a variation on this. The variation which has popularly been used is for positions to be decided on the result between the two teams who share the smae point score. In my opinion it's a silly system and goal difference will always be the best way to decide it. Not sure I'd agree in a world cup group. Remember Argentina 6 highly suspect peru 0 in 78. I think that lead to looking at alternatives. Agree goal diff is by far the best for whole season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Best thread ever. Made me giggle lots. Especially the confirmation and explanation by the original poster of the original posts wrongness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Doh! So in other words you were wrong. Goal difference counts not goals scored unless difference is equal. Don't worry it has only been this way since the beginning Association Football. Sometimes 148 years just isn't long enough When you criticise someone you need to be quite sure that what you are saying is not equally stupid. Goal difference has not been the way "since the beginning of Association Football". Indeed it is a fairly recent change to the FL rules. The primary tie breaker was for most of the FL history goal average (goals for divided by goals against) introduced in 1976/77 following the first experiment in the 1974 World Cup. Goal average often (but not always) favoured teams with good defensive records over attacking teams, whereas Goal Difference should favour attacking football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Actually the football league from inception till the arly 1970's used goal average as the tie breaker (dividing goals scored by goals conceded). As this favoured the defensive sides who conceded less it was changed to goal difference, a few years later the 3 points for a win was introduced too as opposed to 2both these were done to encourage more scoring and going for wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 look at all the sad ****s jumping on the op for a genuine mistake, what a bunch of no lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Threads like this are to blame for killing this forum. Not the question - we all have 'blonde moments' - but the reaction from forum tossers desperately trying to look clever. Bunch of ****ing idiots, especially carrying it on after JBS held his hands up to say it was an honest mistake. It makes people think twice about posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Threads like this are to blame for killing this forum. Not the question - we all have 'blonde moments' - but the reaction from forum tossers desperately trying to look clever. Bunch of ****ing idiots, especially carrying it on after JBS held his hands up to say it was an honest mistake. It makes people think twice about posting. I think you are guilty of an over-reaction. Only 1 post could be classed as having a go, the rest were just taking the ****. Fair enough, no harm done, but your post is the worst of the thread. Lighten up mush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 I totally agree, the lad was asking a simple question and then gets treated like a Cvnt. We all support the same team here. Thing is would the gobby little cowards say it to his face? And get a slap in return. No they wouldn't have the balls. I expect this on the Portsmouth forum but not from ours. Sort it out you morons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Jesus Christ, some people. :rolleyes:Lighten up FFS, there's just some **** taking going on. The lad asked a funny question, some took the juice, the lad realises an error no harm done. Don't turn it into something it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 I have rated this thread 5 stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 I totally agree, the lad was asking a simple question and then gets treated like a Cvnt. We all support the same team here. Thing is would the gobby little cowards say it to his face? And get a slap in return. No they wouldn't have the balls. I expect this on the Portsmouth forum but not from ours. Sort it out you morons Have another go, and see if you can make your contribution a little more pompous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 After our game at midday West Ham would have to have won 4-0 or by that margin.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 I thought it has since been proven and accepted Peru took a bung... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the colonel Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Have another go, and see if you can make your contribution a little more pompous. yawn. ask a stupid question get a ?!?!??! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 If we lose at Coventry in the cup, will that mean that they go top of the league and we'd go bottom? Just asking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 If two or more teams are level before the end of the season on points, goal difference and goals scored, then alphabetical order will determine the team finishing higher[/i]. QUOTE] I went along with the rest of it, but this part sounds totally unfair..given all the other criteria...maybe we should change our name to... aardvark united! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 If two or more teams are level before the end of the season on points, goal difference and goals scored, then alphabetical order will determine the team finishing higher[/i]. QUOTE] I went along with the rest of it, but this part sounds totally unfair..given all the other criteria...maybe we should change our name to... aardvark united! 'twould be an honour - promotion here we come! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 11 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Ooo-errr! I thought this thread might have disappeared down the page by now. As someone said a bit of a brain fart, although after being the butt of some folks mirth, a few anomalies regarding the changes in the 70's emerge, so being born in the mid sixties an easy faux pas. Bloomin' glad my user name on here is no longer on my shirt, otherwise there would be chap at the end of Brittania Road selling Rocks and bags of gravel for the weekly stoning!! Still the root of my initial post, was probably getting a bit piddled off at TV & Radio football commentators saying West Ham would go top with a win......... Not about a 3 clear goal win. As if it is West Hams god given right to be top of the table. Note to self: don't post a silly question under the influence after midnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toe_punt Posted 12 December, 2011 Share Posted 12 December, 2011 No matter what the situation is currently, it SHOULD be based on the team's respective stadium price of pork pies. Makes much more sense...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 December, 2011 Share Posted 12 December, 2011 Interesting lack of knowledge from all the people jumping on the OP as well there. To confirm, the FL did use goals scored as a tiebreaker for getting on for 10 years from around the time the Prem started, but they don't any more. Before that they used Goal Difference, and before that (before I was born) Goal Average. In short, unless West Ham win by a sackful on Saturday, we'll be signing "we're top of the League" when we arrive at Fratton on Sunday - and if not before kick-off, the second the ball is kicked the "in-play" League will stick a point on us for drawing 0-0 and we'll be back top again. So we'll get to do it at some point anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 12 December, 2011 Share Posted 12 December, 2011 As with all threads that will live forever, I can't let this one slide without posting. Oh, and while West Ham could go top after this weeks games, it won't happen and we'll be top at Christmas. A nice present for us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 14 December, 2011 Share Posted 14 December, 2011 Sorry, nothing to add, but it'd be a shame to let this one slip off the radar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 December, 2011 Share Posted 15 December, 2011 (edited) West Ham could in theory go top this Saturday or even Sunday,should they beat Barnsley by 6 on Saturday then I'd think they'd go top straight away on saturday until our result from sunday is known. Even if they don't win by 6 on saturday they could still go top on Sunday if they win and we lose with a margin of at least +6 goals in total.Any other scenario leaves us top until at least the 26th December; Edited 15 December, 2011 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithd Posted 15 December, 2011 Share Posted 15 December, 2011 Are we still top? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 December, 2011 Share Posted 15 December, 2011 Are we still top? Yep at least until Saturday 5pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 December, 2011 Share Posted 15 December, 2011 Trying to work out how the OP illicited such nasty responses.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 15 December, 2011 Share Posted 15 December, 2011 Trying to work out how the OP illicited such nasty responses.. Yes, but you fail to see how YOU illicit such nasty responses so what hope would you have? Anyway his opening post clearly stated, "I sit here open to being corrected...." - surely that's all that happened - hardly "nasty" in the scheme of things, ask Windmill Arm for a lesson in perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 December, 2011 Share Posted 15 December, 2011 Oh my God, have some people never had banter before? They weren't nasty, or malicious, it was just gentle gibing. Seriously, some people on here really need to get a ****ing sense of humour. What boring tw*ts you must be at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 15 December, 2011 Share Posted 15 December, 2011 the second the ball is kicked the "in-play" League will stick a point on us for drawing 0-0 and we'll be back top again. So we'll get to do it at some point anyway. Do they actually do that? I was under the impression the actual official Football League tables were only updated after the end of the game and after any "afters" had been sorted - much in the same way the official FIA points for Grand Prix is only published a day later after everything is checked over. The "in play" tables are only the in the minds of Sky, the BBC etc and are not 'official'. Sorry for the MLG moment there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFSFC Posted 15 December, 2011 Share Posted 15 December, 2011 1739 Posts on a sport you know nothing about. Clueless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now