Bye Bart.

[SFC Forever]

Trouble with that is the fact that he is likely to be it. Who else do we have available?

 

If Kelvin remains on the sidelines then we have no choice but to get behind Bart and the rest of the team on Sunday.

[david in sweden]

No he wasn't he joined when we were in the Championship.

 

 

....and I don't really agree that he's got "ability "...at least not the sort we'll need in the Premiership !

[Window Cleaner]

I've seen the highlights on player, very strange stuff from Bart. Seemed not to anticipate the bounce of the ball at all.

Supposing that they use the same kind of ball in training and practice you'd have to wonder if it's the silky surface of SMS that throws him.

 

Look at the Morgan half volley, he takes about 3 cubic metres of turf and sod out when he kicks the ball, other actions are similar

so i can only surmise that either the ball or the actual playing surface causes them problems.

 

NB, If Bart manned up and wore shorts it's not sure that the ball would go through his legs.A good strong pair of shorts would probably stop it so faibly hit is the shot.

[Saint_John]

Is there any possibility of an emergency loan GK if KD remains unavailable due to injury ?

 

I know the window is closed, but as we only have BB with experience available for selection, could this be regrded as an "emergency" ?

 

Of course we also have Tommy Fourpast on the payroll, but his experience is nil.(Perhaps the only time in recent history he has been linked with the word "nil" in the the same sentence).No doubt some of the doyens in THe League would have to say he is available to us, therefore we do not have an "emergency" situation.

 

Raises the question why he is still on the payroll but lets not go off on that one.

 

The Football League rules have a section for Emergency Loan of Goalkeepers (Section 54), they are allowed to be signed outside the "loan window" under strict conditions.

http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20110629/section-6-players_2293633_2125731#52

54 Emergency Loan of Goalkeepers.

If all the professional goalkeepers at a Club are either certified by an independent medical practitioner as being unfit to play or are suspended, a Club may register (either before or after the deadlines laid down in Regulation 53.2.2), a further goalkeeper on a short term Emergency Loan in accordance with the following provisions:

54.1 The Executive shall allow a Club to sign such a goalkeeper for a period of 7 days (notwithstanding the provisions of Regulation 53.2.7), inclusive of the starting date and finishing date.

54.2 Any such short term Emergency Loan shall be subject to The League, in appropriate circumstances, having received (including by facsimile) the appropriate medical certificate(s) and the Executive having confirmed that the circumstances conform to the provisions of this Regulation.

54.3 The period of any short term Emergency Loan of a goalkeeper may be renewed for 7 days at a time but further medical certification must be provided on each occasion.

54.4 Any short term Emergency Loan in respect of the same goalkeeper may not exceed 93 days during any Season.

54.5 The provisions of Regulation 52.3.2 shall not apply to the Emergency Loan of a goalkeeper.

[JackFrost]

If KD isn't fit to play sunday you can bet Bart has a long week of training ahead of him and NA will be doing everything he can to get him and the defenders communicating and working with each other with confidence.

 

And with the skills he's shown us so far plus being a former goalkeeper who better to do that than NA?

 

As for the comment Bart 'manning up and wearing shorts' you only have to look at Gabor Kiraly and when he playing for Palace about 7-8 years ago. Was in great form when he wore those baggy pyjamas, then the one time he wore shorts against Chelsea and he had a mare, which included letting a tame Kezman shot squirm through his legs.

 

Personally, I haven't worn shorts since 1972 but spent 30 years catching crooks in trousers so that isn't a debate

[doddisalegend]

The Football League rules have a section for Emergency Loan of Goalkeepers (Section 54), they are allowed to be signed outside the "loan window" under strict conditions.

http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20110629/section-6-players_2293633_2125731#52

 

So we have Bart, Tommy Forecast or our youth keeper against the skates (if KD doesn't recover)......Despite yesterday I'd still rather have Bart than the other two options.......

[JackFrost]

From what I've read on here,

 

are we all certain the media didn't get the team-sheets wrong and it wasn't Forecast in goal against Blackpool?

[dannysfc]

It's funny that Yes Bart did have a Nightmare yesterday v Blackpool especially with there goal-But all keepers are going to make mistakes in there career and Hopefully

that was Bart's mistake of this season as he's been Pretty Good for us especially in the Cups and I for one think that he is still a Good back up keeper to Kelvin and

that fingers crossed that Kelvin will be back in goal on Sunday along with other players like Chaplow but we'l see what happens this week!!!

Also Kelvin was like this while he was at Sunderland that he was "Awful" there and now with him being at Saints he has been a Revelation for us and long may that

continue right until the season finishes too!!!

COYR !!!

[Saint_clark]

You obviously don't sit in the Northam.

 

Bit unfair. Some woman was repeatedly shouting at him calling him every name under the sun, and got a ton of abuse from those around her.

[St_Tel49]

Bit of a knee jerk thread this. Yes Bart did have a nightmare yesterday but we all know that he is better than that.

[Dogs]

This lad should get a really encouraging reception next time he appears for Saints,even as a sub.He seems to have been demonised.In view of what has happened to Gary Speed recently no one should have to take some of the crap that has been posted.I dearly hope he plays next Saturday....and has a blinder.

[Valesaint]

This lad should get a really encouraging reception next time he appears for Saints,even as a sub.He seems to have been demonised.In view of what has happened to Gary Speed recently no one should have to take some of the crap that has been posted.I dearly hope he plays next Saturday....and has a blinder.

 

Fact is he won't and you know he wont. He is rubbish and proved it big time on Saturday. Get your rose-coloured glasses off and get real. With him promotion is a dream. Let him out on loan, please.

[suewhistle]

This season as I'm getting on a bit (!) I've been training with our goalkeeping coach to be the reserve keeper, and have to say that even in amateur women's football I'd have been embarassed with a performance like that. Apart from the one that hit the post where I might possibly have left it the other mistakes would be unacceptable in local women's amateur footie bothe here in Italy and in the UK. I was going to comment this morning but thought I'd wait until after today's game, just in case I had my own disaster...

 

Whilst the OP may have a point why does he always start negative threads and jump with relish on the negative aspects of any subject whilst claiming he's some flaming Messiah in the wilderness. (He's not, he's a very....). You'd think the rest of us were all denying any need for strengthening: straw man arguments at their best. Obviously our targets may have slightly altered now!

[alpine_saint]

This season as I'm getting on a bit (!) I've been training with our goalkeeping coach to be the reserve keeper, and have to say that even in amateur women's football I'd have been embarassed with a performance like that. Apart from the one that hit the post where I might possibly have left it the other mistakes would be unacceptable in local women's amateur footie bothe here in Italy and in the UK. I was going to comment this morning but thought I'd wait until after today's game, just in case I had my own disaster...

 

Whilst the OP may have a point why does he always start negative threads and jump with relish on the negative aspects of any subject whilst claiming he's some flaming Messiah in the wilderness. (He's not, he's a very....). You'd think the rest of us were all denying any need for strengthening: straw man arguments at their best. Obviously our targets may have slightly altered now!

 

I'd like to know how exactly you detected "relish" in my post. And as for starting a "negative" thread, the GK situation is the most important thing that has arisen from yesterdays game, especially with a visit to Krap Notarf coming up next week, FFS !!!

 

I cant help you imagining or interpreting things to fit a bullsh*t agenda, just as I can help the happy-clappies who are incapable of mixing up a bit of reality in their outlook...

[St_Tel49]

I'd like to know how exactly you detected "relish" in my post. And as for starting a "negative" thread, the GK situation is the most important thing that has arisen from yesterdays game, especially with a visit to Krap Notarf coming up next week, FFS !!!

 

I cant help you imagining or interpreting things to fit a bullsh*t agenda, just as I can help the happy-clappies who are incapable of mixing up a bit of reality in their outlook...

So only manic depressives are realists then?

[The Majestic Channon]

You're seriously comparing Bart to Cech? I admire your use of hyperbole but that is ridiculous.[/quote

 

No i wasn't comparing Bart to cech, your'e reading what you want to read.

[supersonic]

From Adkins comments on the OS I think Davis will be fit for Sunday

[david in sweden]

Bit of a knee jerk thread this. Yes Bart did have a nightmare yesterday but we all know that he is better than that.

 

OK ...but if so, it's best demonstrated in a League Game, and not just in training (as per NA comments).

 

He looked nervous from the first minute....Does SMS make him claustrophobic when it's got a crowd in place ?

[doddisalegend]

OK ...but if so, it's best demonstrated in a League Game, and not just in training (as per NA comments).

 

He looked nervous from the first minute....Does SMS make him claustrophobic when it's got a crowd in place ?

 

Well he has played fine at SMS before (including Blackpool in the cup last season where I'm pretty sure he pulled off a stunning save)

 

My guess is the first fumble made him nervous, which lead to to the second fumble and so on and it just got worse from there. Had he made a good job of the first save he'd of probably grown into the game. Bad day at the office all players have them at some time. It's worse for keeper becuase their cock ups normall result in goals.

[Viking Warrior]

Can we have another Poll? This time it is for Alipne

 

Is he a

 

1 A miserable old Git

2. A sad old Fart

3. A stroppy Teenager

4. A Spoilt Brat

5. The Next Saints Manager

[Scummer]

you'd have to wonder if it's the silky surface of SMS that throws him.

 

Far from it. Our pitch is pretty poor this season. It may look nice, but it's not knitted together at all and cuts up really badly.

[Mowgli]

This season as I'm getting on a bit (!) I've been training with our goalkeeping coach to be the reserve keeper, and have to say that even in amateur women's football I'd have been embarassed with a performance like that. Apart from the one that hit the post where I might possibly have left it the other mistakes would be unacceptable in local women's amateur footie bothe here in Italy and in the UK. I was going to comment this morning but thought I'd wait until after today's game, just in case I had my own disaster...

 

Whilst the OP may have a point why does he always start negative threads and jump with relish on the negative aspects of any subject whilst claiming he's some flaming Messiah in the wilderness. (He's not, he's a very....). You'd think the rest of us were all denying any need for strengthening: straw man arguments at their best. Obviously our targets may have slightly altered now!

 

I don't think many are disputing it was an embarrassing performance (although there are women footballers all over the country no doubt offended by your suggestion that womens football is in any way inferior). The point is that we all know he is capable of better so we need to pick him up and lift him so he gets another chance. I think he will get enough stick at Fratton if he plays without Saints fans getting on his back. We should give him a rousing cheer to counter the blue few

[SaintRobbie]

Now that we have had time for the dust to settle over Bart and his performance (or lack of) has had a chance to be forgiven and the seeds of optimism have been allowed to flow again at the sight of Saints increasing their lead at the top regardless, does anyone still want to see Bart playing in goal?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

… currently I don't.

[MOSaint.]

Yes he had a mare on sat which does happen but I just dont feel hes up to the job, his kicking has always been poor, we need someone in who can push Kelvin if were going hang onto Bart he needs to go out on loan to get the matches under his belt, I feel if Kelvins not fit for sunday were in the **** cos Bart will be under even more pressure, New keeper in Jnauary Please Nigel

[ant]

Bit unfair. Some woman was repeatedly shouting at him calling him every name under the sun, and got a ton of abuse from those around her.

 

Certainly the case where I was stood. Lots of encouragement above the groans, even when he fluffed a couple of kicks straight after - it's almost like people realised that getting on your own player's back doesn't inspire them to perform better... Was pleased to hear that because the negative vibes have been building over the past couple of home games.

[once_bitterne]

Yes he had a mare. But is he always bad? He has played perfectly well in a number of FA Cup, Trophy, and League Cup matches this past couple of years.

 

Reserve keepers barely ever get a game in the League so how good to you expect one from the 2nd tier of English football to be?

 

How good are the ones at the top of the Prem? Hilario? Brad Jones at Liverpool, Almunia/Flappyhandski at Arsenal? All def prone to blunders.

 

Decent keepers aren't all that easy to find. Just ask Sir Alex. How much did we waste on De Gea who is throwing one in the back of his own net every other game.

 

I wouldn't be distraught if we had to play Bart on Sunday.

[doddisalegend]

Now that we have had time for the dust to settle over Bart and his performance (or lack of) has had a chance to be forgiven and the seeds of optimism have been allowed to flow again at the sight of Saints increasing their lead at the top regardless, does anyone still want to see Bart playing in goal?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

… currently I don't.

 

KD is first choice but if he is unable to play Bart has to play unless you want Forecast in goal? or one of our youth keepers? we can't have an emergency keeper loan as we have two fit keepers avaliable.

[doddisalegend]

Certainly the case where I was stood. Lots of encouragement above the groans, even when he fluffed a couple of kicks straight after - it's almost like people realised that getting on your own player's back doesn't inspire them to perform better... Was pleased to hear that because the negative vibes have been building over the past couple of home games.

 

Haven't they just? You'd think SMS would be the happeist place in the championship but the longer we stay at the top of the league the quicker the crowd at SMS seems to get upset if were not winning after 10mins the crowd seems to get more and more ****ed.

[Liquidshokk]

Seems he wasn't the only one to make that mistake this weekend...near identical screw up here

 

http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/goalie-fail-eiji-kawashima-lierse-vs-genk/

[23rdSaint]

 

This is the type of thread that would make someone embarrassed to be a Saints fan. How fickle can you lot be?! Yes, Bart made a lot of howlers on Saturday and made most people very uncomfortable, but he's always been a more than competent keeper. I rate him very highly and put Saturday's display purely down to nerves; he hasn't played a league match in God-knows-how-long! After waiting all that time, he has to step into the frame on a televised home game, with the added pressure of maintaining our winning home record and our top spot. Now for some, that can be a scary thought. Yes, he's a professional goalie and he shouldn't get nervous, but the stakes were high. And I imagine the first mistake (the fumble out for a corner) only made things worse. Kelvin was guilty of this at Coventry (and that led to a goal!!)

 

I have no doubt that Saturday's performance will make him more determined than ever to prove his metal. People forget that he IS a good player. I've always hoped he would be Davis' successor. A part of me wants to see him play on Sunday - I know he'd reignite a lot of people's belief in him.

 

I just wish the usual whingers would get off his f***ing back.

 

Rant over.

 

Btw, does anyone remember how bad Kelvin was when he first joined?! He was a liability. I think it's safe to say he's improved bucket-loads.

[alpine_saint]

 

This is the type of thread that would make someone embarrassed to be a Saints fan. How fickle can you lot be?! Yes, Bart made a lot of howlers on Saturday and made most people very uncomfortable, but he's always been a more than competent keeper. I rate him very highly and put Saturday's display purely down to nerves; he hasn't played a league match in God-knows-how-long! After waiting all that time, he has to step into the frame on a televised home game, with the added pressure of maintaining our winning home record and our top spot. Now for some, that can be a scary thought. Yes, he's a professional goalie and he shouldn't get nervous, but the stakes were high. And I imagine the first mistake (the fumble out for a corner) only made things worse. Kelvin was guilty of this at Coventry (and that led to a goal!!)

 

I have no doubt that Saturday's performance will make him more determined than ever to prove his metal. People forget that he IS a good player. I've always hoped he would be Davis' successor. A part of me wants to see him play on Sunday - I know he'd reignite a lot of people's belief in him.

 

I just wish the usual whingers would get off his f***ing back.

 

Rant over.

 

Btw, does anyone remember how bad Kelvin was when he first joined?! He was a liability. I think it's safe to say he's improved bucket-loads.

 

I reckon if we are forced to rely on Bart next week, he wont let us down.

 

BUT

 

We cannot afford him to take 1-2 weeks and a game to get acclimatised to playing every time he steps in. So, in the absence of NA being willing to time-share the #1 jersey, maybe we should face the fact that Bart is not good at coming in cold, and that if he is clearly second fidddle, our set up is not the best for him.

 

What is so controversial about that, FFS ?

[suewhistle]

I don't think many are disputing it was an embarrassing performance (although there are women footballers all over the country no doubt offended by your suggestion that womens football is in any way inferior).

 

Heh, heh; my badly made point was that (there is a football pyramid in the women's game too and) even at the level _I _ play at such a performance would be looked at askance. But you're right, he is capable of better and I'd rather be an outfield player in the spotlight than a keeper. If he does play at Fratton I'm sure he'll get all the support possible.

[SaintRobbie]

KD is first choice but if he is unable to play Bart has to play unless you want Forecast in goal? or one of our youth keepers? we can't have an emergency keeper loan as we have two fit keepers avaliable.

 

I agree - but I think he can't do big games. Forecast is worth a place IMHO.

[toofarnorth]

I reckon if we are forced to rely on Bart next week, he wont let us down.

 

BUT

 

We cannot afford him to take 1-2 weeks and a game to get acclimatised to playing every time he steps in. So, in the absence of NA being willing to time-share the #1 jersey, maybe we should face the fact that Bart is not good at coming in cold, and that if he is clearly second fidddle, our set up is not the best for him.

 

What is so controversial about that, FFS ?

 

I see where you're coming from, but Bart has been fine when coming in cold for cup games for the last two seasons and has played well. In fact in the balackpool game last season I remember a few superb saves.

 

We know Bart has talent and he's played big games (Man U in cup for example) before so i'm just completely confused by that performance.

[BadgerBadger]

knee jerk...................

[Doctoroncall]

I reckon if we are forced to rely on Bart next week, he wont let us down.

 

BUT

 

We cannot afford him to take 1-2 weeks and a game to get acclimatised to playing every time he steps in. So, in the absence of NA being willing to time-share the #1 jersey, maybe we should face the fact that Bart is not good at coming in cold, and that if he is clearly second fidddle, our set up is not the best for him.

 

What is so controversial about that, FFS ?

 

Nothing controversial, a good talking point (based on Saints progression).

 

What is worrying is that he was clearly not in the right frame of mind, he's got the ability to be decent at this level as he has shown before. Why so nervous for this game - could be because it's his first league game for a while, an important match being top, the winning run, it's on TV etc but it's certainly a concern with a big game coming up and probably more important we need a reliable second keeper that doesn't need a game or two to adjust when call upon. I hope he can pick himself up from the dissappointing performance.

[Tom & Gerry]

However good or bad you think Bart is that was not the real Bart on Saturday. He's not the worst goalkeeper we've ever had and he's not some untried 18 year old, and yet I can't remember seeing a worse performance by a Saints keeper. Footballers are human beings (believe it or not) and it may have been that the length of time since he has played a league game made him nervous or he may have had some other problem. Whatever it was Nigel needs to get to the bottom of it because we may have no alternative but to play him again. In January I would send him out on loan to play some matches and see how he does and get in an experienced number 2 for Kelvin.

[DrZuess1979 the 2nd]

Seems he wasn't the only one to make that mistake this weekend...near identical screw up here

 

http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/goalie-fail-eiji-kawashima-lierse-vs-genk/

 

TBF

Atleast the guy from Genk hit that shot with reasonable power!!!!

[alpine_saint]

Just watched all 90mins unadulterated courtesy of sportdigital in Austria/Germany.

 

In fairness, apart from the ball bouncing in his face when he went to collect it in the first 5 mins, that ridiculous reaction to a shot in the first half, and the second goal itself, I didnt think he was too bad. He was still willing to come off his line.

 

I reckon if we are forced to rely on him against the blue scum, he wont let us down.

 

However, middle term I wonder about his prospects/chances if he stays with us.

[Window Cleaner]

Just watched all 90mins unadulterated courtesy of sportdigital in Austria/Germany.

 

In fairness, apart from the ball bouncing in his face when he went to collect it in the first 5 mins, that ridiculous reaction to a shot in the first half, and the second goal itself, I didnt think he was too bad. He was still willing to come off his line.

 

I reckon if we are forced to rely on him against the blue scum, he wont let us down.

 

However, middle term I wonder about his prospects/chances if he stays with us.

 

With all those storms that are predicted the ball won't even bounce on the Nottarf cabbage patch.

Looking at the freak goal again i'd say he expects the ball to bounce up again but it doesn't.Groundsman needs to sort the pitch out

[the saint in winchester]

This lad should get a really encouraging reception next time he appears for Saints,even as a sub.He seems to have been demonised.In view of what has happened to Gary Speed recently no one should have to take some of the crap that has been posted.I dearly hope he plays next Saturday....and has a blinder.

 

I'll agree with you, even if Valesaint doesn't. Yes, Bart had a shocking game and we are fortunate Blackpool didn't take more advantage of that then they did. But Bart is our reserve keeper and has proved in the past that he can play as a high quality keeper. His previous performances were good and it's being so game rusty that is demonising him. He needs to be infused with confidence, told to be vocal,, command his area, shout at the defence and BE IN CONTROL.

Having said all the above, I read that KD is almost certain to be cleared to play on Sunday, but Bart needs to get back in the saddle, play the FA Cup games and get a few games under his belt.

[VectisSaint]

Just watched all 90mins unadulterated courtesy of sportdigital in Austria/Germany.

 

In fairness, apart from the ball bouncing in his face when he went to collect it in the first 5 mins, that ridiculous reaction to a shot in the first half, and the second goal itself, I didnt think he was too bad. He was still willing to come off his line.

Sorry, I've been a supporter of Bart over the years and know he is far far better than he was on Saturday. If you think that was all that was wrong then you really didn't watch the game closely. Watching the shot hit the post rooted to where he stood. Kicking was woeful (especially in 1st half), dithering about what to do with the ball several times, lack of authority in the area, decidedly dodgy on back passes, so much that in the end the defenders did evrything possible to avoid them. He was just a bundle of nerves. I put it down to the late decision about KD, and also my conspiracy theory that Skates swapped him a with a body double who had never seen a football before. I have never ever seen such an embarrassing display, don't care how you wrap it up and gloss over it. But for all that he is actually a top notch keeper and wouldb't expect us to get rid. Having a backup on the bench would also have helped his confidence (unless that backup had been Tommy Fourpast of course). I do hope that Dovey is recalled from his loan if there iss any chance that KD won't be ready for Sunday. I wouldn't expect Dovey to play but at least be a mate for Bart in the Goal Keeper's union.

[Alain Perrin]

The best way to combat nerves is to jump right back on the horse.

 

I've always thought KD was a better option despite some of the lunatics backing him on limited evidence. However, just because KD is a better option doesn't mean that BB isn't a good back up, or won't develop into a number 1 at some point.

 

Those who have short memories forget that Kelvin Davis was once the "worse keeper to wear a Saints shirt" (remember his attempt to shepherd the ball behind vs. QPR(?)?

 

BB wouldn't be in the squad if he didn't have some quality and one bad day at the office doesn't mean his career is over with us.

[badgerx16]

....Forecast is worth a place IMHO.

Like David Cameron, you are in a minority of 1, methinks.

[Legod Third Coming]

You obviously don't sit in the Northam.

 

Not anymore - to be honest I grew up!

 

I still want to sing and get behind my team and I will from anywhere in the ground that takes my fancy.

 

And if Bart is picked, I'll get behind him.

 

Because the job of taking the p i s s out of a Southampton player while he's on the pitch is not the job of a Southampton fan.

 

You might as well go and sit in the opposition fans.

[eelpie]

All you guys jumping on the 'sack Bart' bandwaggon should remember that Kelvin did the same thing and now he's the guy who keeps Bart out of the team, meaning that Bart has not been getting enough first team practice, unlike others on the bench. Bart had an attack of nerves on Saturday, just that. It happens to many keepers. He is talented, there is no doubt, and we don't have an alternative anyway. Anyone else from the youngsters would be more of a gamble if sent out on a match day.

Sure, he should go out on loan for his own good, but he is needed on the bench. Meanwhile it is qute likely that Bart will be our keeper for several weeks if Kelvin's injury recurrs, which might be the case if Kelvin returns too quickly. The best thing for Bart would be to get back on the pitch at Pompey and confront his demons by becoming a hero. He has a long career ahead, and his mistake will be history (unless you guys keep on at him). Richard Green and Kelvin survived their own horrific setbacks. So will Bart.

 

So at Notarf get off Bart's back and give Bart the support he deserves!

[Appy]

Not anymore - to be honest I grew up!

 

I still want to sing and get behind my team and I will from anywhere in the ground that takes my fancy.

 

And if Bart is picked, I'll get behind him.

 

Because the job of taking the p i s s out of a Southampton player while he's on the pitch is not the job of a Southampton fan.

 

You might as well go and sit in the opposition fans.

 

Hold on pal, i didn't say i would get on his back, i feel sorry for the guy, but others in the Northam especially a minority near me won't be as sympathetic as you or I.

[September Saint]

Did anyone see Boro's goal against Brighton? I presume he wasn't a last minute sub.