Raging Bull Posted 10 December, 2011 Share Posted 10 December, 2011 Really can't be bothered to read the thread but I have to agree with the OP. For the first time in years I turned up and watched the warm up instead of drinking & Bart looked confident & capable, his performance was the direct opposite. I know he needs games etc but every point counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrasri Posted 10 December, 2011 Share Posted 10 December, 2011 Whenever I have seen Bart play his shot stopping has been occasionally 'suspect', but his positional play has always been good as has his confidence in the box. This where he differed to the "old" style Kelvin who didn't command his box until NA got to grips with him. I don't think Bart's poor shot stopping is solely down to lack of competitive games, slow reflexes would be (as he showed in the first half when the ball cannoned off the post whilst he stood motionless) - I think it is a floor in his performance capability which obviously affects his his overall confidence. Do I see him as Kelvin's natural succesor, I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 10 December, 2011 Share Posted 10 December, 2011 One poor game doesn't make Bart a bad keeper And ...what's important is for people to get behind him .... next weekend there's every chance he will have 20,000 Pompey Scum screaming at him ! In all honesty the biggest mistake today was when De Ridder failed to pass in front of goal with 1 minute of extra time to go ... a simple pass to and we would have won ... I'm not sure he ever looks up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 10 December, 2011 Share Posted 10 December, 2011 (edited) Got the impression Bart was caught in the headlights today! Turn up every single matchday to park your backside on the bench week in week out, then suddenly he finds himself starting a 1st team league game.................. And the other half a bottle of well chilled Vodka on Friday night wasn't such a good idea! That last bit was tongue in cheek from me, but a few times it didn't look a million miles away from the truth. Edited 10 December, 2011 by John Boy Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adysaint Posted 10 December, 2011 Share Posted 10 December, 2011 I've still got the Wolves 6-0 game on my Sky+ and I watched it again... That was Bart at his peak. I still back him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 10 December, 2011 Share Posted 10 December, 2011 Bart had a nightmare day..but he IS a decent keeper as he has shown before, no way should we get rid, despite what the thick jobless no life troll says... Having said that, get rid of forecast and get in 1 more keeper asap, what about shwan jawal from bournemouth? he had a great season last season ( apart from against us thankfully) and is only on the bench because he refused a new contract, not saying he should start but would be decent extra cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 As the bloke on FLS just said, he was embarrassing out there today. from the 1st minute he looked like an amateur....how the mighty have fallen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornseySaintsFan Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 We should sign a new keeper regardless of today. KD won't last forever. Love the guy but I don't recall him being particularly great in the PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 What's wrong with Kelvin & how longs he out for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 The most vivid recollections I have of BB are Palace at home 1-4 defeat a few sesons ago, and today. Not up to the standard we now need to progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 What's wrong with Kelvin & how longs he out for? Forget that I've just read the other thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 I would play Bart again next weekend, I have written (post 4) that we should back him, but I concede we do need to have another GK on the bench. Either KD (assume not fully fit or he would be starting) or we need to recall Jack Dovey from Eastleigh. NA has said "we will pick him up" when asked about Bart so I don't expect him to ditch BB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 The most vivid recollections I have of BB are more than 4 years apart and have been punctuated by dosens of performances in between. Not up to the standard we now need to progress. Made a slight alteration. Maybe I'm being childish, but I think most of the crap being flung at Bart is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Bart is part of a very discredited Saints past. His lack of ability shone through in this new era and is a reminder of what we used to have to put up with all over the pitch. Time for him to move on just like Euell and all the other Losers. Pretty sure Kelvin was here with those losers too. Get rid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Pretty sure Kelvin was here with those losers too. Get rid? Don't forget Adam Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Put Kelvin in cotton wool until the derby game is over. Stick Bart in the reserves. However, if the problem really is nerves then maybe small reserve team crowds and training sessions are not going to bring out the problem or offer a solution. I know Adkins is a motivator but can you motivate big game nerves* out of someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Put Kelvin in cotton wool until the derby game is over. Stick Bart in the reserves. However, if the problem really is nerves then maybe small reserve team crowds and training sessions are not going to bring out the problem or offer a solution. I know Adkins is a motivator but can you motivate big game nerves* out of someone? You can motivate confidence in. It takes a little time but that is what it is all about. Bart will need time as not only will he feel he cost us 2 points, he will know he has cost us that record. There have been some poor comments about him today and that will not do him any good either. He needs our support more than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 I bet Kevin Phillips was watching bart's 'performance' from the bench and was itching to get on and have a crack at him. He isn't good enough,if we are going places then we need players who can step off of the bench and can fill the boots of the player they are replacing.its no good pinning your hopes on a young lad who is low on confidence,especially a goalie. He has been here for a few years now and he hasn't displaced KD for a reason,because he is no good. He either needs to go and do his learning elsewhere and then come back or he needs to be sold,if we want to go places then I'm afraid we need better than him in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Whenever I have seen Bart play his shot stopping has been occasionally 'suspect', but his positional play has always been good as has his confidence in the box. This where he differed to the "old" style Kelvin who didn't command his box until NA got to grips with him. I don't think Bart's poor shot stopping is solely down to lack of competitive games, slow reflexes would be (as he showed in the first half when the ball cannoned off the post whilst he stood motionless) - I think it is a floor in his performance capability which obviously affects his his overall confidence. Do I see him as Kelvin's natural succesor, I'm not sure. Not Sure??? Certain is the answer - certain that he's no successor at all, let alone a natural. And should we manage to go up, despite the rot beginning to set in, Bart in the Prem is not even imaginable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Just read most of this thread - hard work. To sum up, Bart was, and probably still is, a good keeper. Yesterday was all about confidence (as is so much of football / sport). The only sensible thing seems to be a loan out to get time on the pitch playing proper games. We still need a credible, reliable second keeper though in the meantime - loan signing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Much as I accept Bart has had good games and great moments, I'm sorry to say I think there's now an underlying problem which will always mean we can't have confidence. Yes, he has shown he can command his area in a way KD doesn't, and to take one positive from yesterday (difficult), Bart's short distribution was often good, quick and decisive ( but kicking awful). But sadly, keeping is so much about confidence. I didn't see that at all yesterday - total bag of nerves and I fear that won't go away. Sorry Bart, but it's a career that never quite happened and now we have to move forward with a big signing of a young up and coming keeper who will challenge KD now and be potential for first choice in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Just watched the highlights and that looked as bad a performance from a GK as I've seen, the defence must have been quite stressed playing infront of someone having a mare on that scale. The thing is I've seen Bart play much much better than that so I can't put it down to him being a poor keeper as my own experience tells me otherwise. Looks like Nige needs to get to work on his psychology ASAP because that performance was worse than rustiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 I am not judging on one mistake - there were several in the game. His level of performance in every area was just not good enough. Oh, you're basing your view on the whole game and not just one mistake... Well that makes all the difference then lol. Embarrasing performance - end of. Let's look forward to next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 (edited) Comment from Jack Dovey: And Bart is a phenomenal keeper! Don't write him off! I train with him every day and know what he is capable off! http://twitter.com/JackDovey92 I still maintain that JD will be a very good keeper for SFC and could and would be a better option next week. Not only that he is a massive Saints fan and I happen to think that playing against Pompey would be great for the lad. He's come through the ranks from schoolboy level and what a story that could be! Edited 11 December, 2011 by dune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Hope he is given his P45. Embarrasing. So is your spelling. You're not allowed to make errors of spelling on this site - get off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Why dont you read my words ? I chose them very carefully. I havent said he isnt capable of being a brilliant goalkeeper, just the way its worked out with us hes never got an extended run as first choice and now we have resources he wont get it either; he needs to go elsewhere, be first choice, and work out his mental issues during an extended run. So its about Bart being here for a long time with out breaking through, a position he has been in for a while yet you choose to start a thread on it 5 mins after he has had a nightmare. Anyway if we are to get rid of people because of a series of **** ups during a game then you should have been moved on to another forum years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andover_Saint07 Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 easy to criticize whilst sat on your fat arse behind a computer screen. I'd love to see you get up there in front of a stadium full of football fans and a live tv audience and not get nervous. ****ing inbred lol he is a pro should be bread and butter to him.. Derby in play-offs couple of years back he bottled it and did not play, Just dont think he is up to it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Best thing to happen would be to get a replacement keeper in on loan until the end of the season and let Bart go out and play regular football in leagues 1/2. He's only 24 and the talent is there, but the experience is seriously lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 I see the Brighton Keeper also spilled a shot which cost brighton the game , I dont see their fans calling for him to leave or have polls on their keeper we are a fickle lot on this forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 I see the Brighton Keeper also spilled a shot which cost brighton the game , I dont see their fans calling for him to leave or have polls on their keeper we are a fickle lot on this forum I have just looked at the Brentford Post match Depression thread from this time last year. The usual suspects were laying into Kelvin for the 2 goals, one a howler, the other not far from it.They were of course also laying into their usual favourites,Morgan,Hammond,Guly etc.Why even SRL got a mention in dispatches.Trouble is some amongst do not understand modern football,they think Paine and Sydenham would be the answer to all of our problems and that the crunching tackles of yore are still highly desirable even if they would meet with an instant red card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 I see the Brighton Keeper also spilled a shot which cost brighton the game , I dont see their fans calling for him to leave or have polls on their keeper we are a fickle lot on this forum Saw a football bloopers programme on espn this moring where petr cech let in 2 goals identical to Barts yesterday, wonder if chelsea also had morons wanting cech out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Bart will be our number 1 keeper soon, Nigel was praising him in match interview after the game, if he thought he wasnt good he would of said one thing like, hes unlucky today and leave it but no he said how hard he works in training and how hes a good keeper. Also in the carling cup games he hasnt made errors that were as bad as yday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Bart will be our number 1 keeper soon, Nigel was praising him in match interview after the game, if he thought he wasnt good he would of said one thing like, hes unlucky today and leave it but no he said how hard he works in training and how hes a good keeper. Also in the carling cup games he hasnt made errors that were as bad as yday. I'm pretty convinced he won't be. Irrespective of what happens next week I expect a new long term option/understudy will be added to take over from KD,possibly challenge him for a first team spot if we are promoted.Whether that is in Jan or the summer remains to be seen. Unfortunately there is very little confidence in BB and it showed a couple of times where defenders would not risk a pass back to him, it reminded me of how shaky our defence was when Dave Beasant was in goal at one stage. I don't accept all this "isolated , bad day at the office etc " here , as he has looked to me for sometime a shaky keeper, remember his 'pat-a -cake' type of attempt to clear/ catch (? not sure which) in a pre-season friendly v WBA ? Can we afford that next week ? Puzzle is though, that he did not look overawed v MancU last season, clearly he needs gametime to recover, but in our league position don't think we have the luxury of allowing him a rehabilitation period in the first team at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadpanmatt Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Don't agree. He needs MORE game time, not less. He is a confidence player and needs to be playing. Perhaps he needs to go on loan then. We need the finished article in goal when we're gunning for promotion, not a 'keeper who could cost us valuable points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 IMO it's not so much yesterday's performance that will determine Bart's future but next week instead. I still think there's a reasonable chance he will start against the Skates next week (am hoping KD will be fit though as per NA's comments). This is NA's biggest challenge so far; bigger in some ways than getting promotion. He has to find a way of getting his head right so that, if he has to play, he's in the right frame of mind. Football is a crazy, crazy sport and it would not surprise me in the slightest to see Bart put in a MOM performance next week. Quite simply, he cannot afford to have an off-day against Pompey as it's doubtful he would ever be able to win the fans over after that. Anyway, all will be revealed this time next week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadpanmatt Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Saw a football bloopers programme on espn this moring where petr cech let in 2 goals identical to Barts yesterday, wonder if chelsea also had morons wanting cech out? You're seriously comparing Bart to Cech? I admire your use of hyperbole but that is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Is there any possibility of an emergency loan GK if KD remains unavailable due to injury ? I know the window is closed, but as we only have BB with experience available for selection, could this be regrded as an "emergency" ? Of course we also have Tommy Fourpast on the payroll, but his experience is nil.(Perhaps the only time in recent history he has been linked with the word "nil" in the the same sentence).No doubt some of the doyens in THe League would have to say he is available to us, therefore we do not have an "emergency" situation. Raises the question why he is still on the payroll but lets not go off on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_disco123 Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 get behind bart FFS! if davis did what bart did yesterday then everyone would just moan about it and get on with their lives, we are southampton and together we stand, i dont give a monkeys if lambert or lallana both miss an open goal from 10 yards that doesn't mean they should be sold. that was barts first start of the league, that is a massive jump from the bench or the reverses, He had a bit of an off day thats all thats happend but doing these kinds of threads wont help or change anything, time for bart to chin up, work on his problems and to keep calm and carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 How long has bart been at the club now? must be a good five or six years and he just hasnt quite managed to put any pressure on kelvin for first choice. I feel for the guy but i have never seen him looking confident in goal for us, now might be the time to let himg go and rebuild at another club. I cant see him ever getting it together consistantly at saints as he simply has never been consistaant even when hes had the chances the nerves have always turnt up. Its important we all get behind him if he is to be in goal for the derby which looks likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Bart has been with us since 9th January 2006 should anyone want to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Agree with Alpine for once, after today he will become a laughing stock in the crowd if he starts again, there will be nervousness in the crowd and throughout the side i'd imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 (edited) Don't agree. He needs MORE game time, not less. He is a confidence player and needs to be playing. Pulling out of the Reserves league has meant he has spent games on the bench.I wouldn't give up on Bart, he just needs to get his confidence back. Remember not so long ago when he came in for an extended spell, and when KD was ready again, may fans wanted Bart to retain the jersey. He can still play at this level IF he can get his confidence back, and that means playing more regularly than the odd League Cup game. Everything you say is more of less correct (saint in winchester), BUT the truth is that we can't afford to " experimen t" with Bart's confidence just now. I'm sorry we didn't win, but sitting at the top of the table we have a v.g. chance of promotion and a repeat of yesterday's disaster could blow it all away, especially if such a situation arises again... like next weekend !....or say when we are four weeks away from the end of the season and hanging onto an automatic spot, please don't anyone say we'll be OK to get a play-off position. This is still the the Championship and much as I admire KD, we'll need a keeper (as good as /better than him)... if we are to get upto and gain a foothold in the Premiership. I don't know what our defenders felt but I was terrified watching him (on TV)..and close-ups of his face did nothing more to convince me that he was just having a bad day. Sorry..if we were midtable and wanted to give him a few games OK ..but we have to nail this promotion down NOW - this season, and performances like that are totally unacceptable. Edited 11 December, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspect everyone Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 As soon as I heard Kelvin was injured I was nervous about Bart playing. Couldn't believe how bad he actually performed though. It wasn't as if he had a few dodgy moments amongst some reasonable keeping, his every contribution was either nervous or calamitous, all credit to the defenders for minimising his exposure. I think his time has come at Saints. He came to the club as a good young prospect, and is arguably still young enough to pick up his career at a new club. However with Saints he's been number two for too long. He has travelled up and down the country for the last three years warming the bench and has happily sat back and let the seasons drift by. The club is at fault for allowing this but he his also shown a lack of ambition. He's wasted some of the best years of his career not playing and is now too nervous and rusty to play when called upon. We could easily find another number two to come in, and he clearly could benefit from a fresh start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Bart has been with us since 9th January 2006 should anyone want to know Nearly 6 years and yet to make himself first choice, it surely is time to move on for the good of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Puzzle is though, that he did not look overawed v MancU last season, clearly he needs gametime to recover, but in our league position don't think we have the luxury of allowing him a rehabilitation period in the first team at the moment. Well I videoed that game, and you're right that he didn't look overawed..'cos he had little to do apart from picking the ball out of the net a couple of times. He had some fairly good cover from the defence, and as you recall we gave United agame of it ..at least for the first hour. ...but he looked very poor going for crosses and a couple of corners...he seemed to be moving in slow-motion sometimes and didn't impress me at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamSFC Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 You can't expect someone to not play a league game for a year or two then suddenly come back and be in top form and play with confidence. We've seen in the past he's got ability. He was first choice when we were in the Premiership before he got injured. How can he suddenly go from that to terrible goalkeeper? You lot are so over-reactive it's unreal. He made some mistakes. Sh!t happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Have to agree with what somoneone else said, slight hints of lack of ambition on his part, he hasnt been anywhere nr the first team for the best part of two years and surely he knows he needs games yet hasnt done anything about it in terms of looking for a loan or transfer. I guess it could be deemed loyalty or maybe hes just content to be a bench warmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 You can't expect someone to not play a league game for a year or two then suddenly come back and be in top form and play with confidence. We've seen in the past he's got ability. He was first choice when we were in the Premiership before he got injured. How can he suddenly go from that to terrible goalkeeper? You lot are so over-reactive it's unreal. He made some mistakes. Sh!t happens. No he wasn't he joined when we were in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Agree with Alpine for once, after today he will become a laughing stock in the crowd if he starts again, there will be nervousness in the crowd and throughout the side i'd imagine. Sure, if the crowd is full of w a n k e r s who don't get behind their players... Thankfully, most of them are on here on match days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 11 December, 2011 Share Posted 11 December, 2011 Sure, if the crowd is full of w a n k e r s who don't get behind their players... Thankfully, most of them are on here on match days. You obviously don't sit in the Northam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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