Matthew Le God Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 NO i dont, fans that might come along once in a blue moon are all well and good but we need a guarentee that we could fill it regularly, with season ticket holders and members prepared to come along regularly rather than the mate of a mate who might come if there is nothing better to do. Only 19 league games in the Premier League. Supposedly 200k+ unique customers on the Saints customer ticket database. The draw of Premier League football will attract many casual Saints fans from that number to two or three games per season that they wouldn't have gone to in the 2nd or 3rd tier of English football. You will also get neutrals wanting to watch games just because it is the closest Premier League venue to them. I think you underestimate the appeal of top flight football for casual fans compared to games in the Championship and League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 NO i dont, fans that might come along once in a blue moon are all well and good but we need a guarentee that we could fill it regularly, with season ticket holders and members prepared to come along regularly rather than the mate of a mate who might come if there is nothing better to do. But there are thousands and thousands of casual fans in and around Southampton. Even if they all only go to 3 random games a season that will make quite a bit of difference. I even know a bloke that supports Pompey who would come along at times if they weren't playing so he could watch some football. I agree with you about there being no point expanding until we have a decent ST waiting list, although clearly there is no harm in Cortese looking into the process now so we are ready to hit the ground running with the proposals when the time is right. Nothing wrong with forward planning. The example of Spurs is interesting. How long have they had a 20000 waiting list? Not long I'd guess which just goes to show how quickly demand can build up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Yeah, but don't forget casual fans aren't proper fans so they don't deserve to go anyway.... ;-) Especially if they turn up wearing wigs and giant foam hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2011 But there are thousands and thousands of casual fans in and around Southampton. Even if they all only go to 3 random games a season that will make quite a bit of difference. I even know a bloke that supports Pompey who would come along at times if they weren't playing so he could watch some football. I agree with you about there being no point expanding until we have a decent ST waiting list, although clearly there is no harm in Cortese looking into the process now so we are ready to hit the ground running with the proposals when the time is right. Nothing wrong with forward planning. The example of Spurs is interesting. How long have they had a 20000 waiting list? Not long I'd guess which just goes to show how quickly demand can build up. Dont you think every other club has this as well? If every club based their capacity on causal fans they'd all have 200,000 capacity stadiums. Leeds is a huge city and draw fans from large towns like Wakefield, York, Harrogate, even a bloke in Doncaster said there were loads of Leeds fans there, why dont they need a 100,000 staidum based on their catchment are and potential for casual fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 I always struggled to get tickets, so did everyone else I know. They were like gold dust. One time I paid a tout over £100 just for a midweek match at home to Blackburn. We need at least a 60k stadium. We also need more attention seeking threads on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 never had a ST at SMS in the Pl. Went to the majority of matches and never failed to get a ticket. That said, I used to fax in on the morning the tickets were released,usually. Closest call was the chelsea game that sold out on the first morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Dont you think every other club has this as well? If every club based their capacity on causal fans they'd all have 200,000 capacity stadiums. Leeds is a huge city and draw fans from large towns like Wakefield, York, Harrogate, even a bloke in Doncaster said there were loads of Leeds fans there, why dont they need a 100,000 staidum based on their catchment are and potential for casual fans? Saints are averaging more than Leeds at the moment. Both teams are doing well in the same league. Explain that? Also Sheff Weds average in League One far less than Saints did in League One. Explain that? Do you think they both should have the circa 40k stadium they do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Only 19 league games in the Premier League. Supposedly 200k+ unique customers on the Saints customer ticket database. The draw of Premier League football will attract many casual Saints fans from that number to two or three games per season that they wouldn't have gone to in the 2nd or 3rd tier of English football. You will also get neutrals wanting to watch games just because it is the closest Premier League venue to them. I think you underestimate the appeal of top flight football for casual fans compared to games in the Championship and League One. Why do only just over 10% of this turn out for most games now then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Saints are averaging more than Leeds at the moment. Both teams are doing well in the same league. Explain that? Also Sheff Weds average in League One far less than Saints did in League One. Explain that? Do you think they both should have the circa 40k stadium they do? Exactly, if a club and city the size of Leeds cant sell out why would a city like Southampton, half the size? and neither of them are on about spending 36m to expand theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Why do only just over 10% of this turn out for most games now then? because they support Saints in a different way than you or most of the posters on this site do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2011 because they support Saints in a different way than you or most of the posters on this site do. By not going to game, clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 NO i dont, fans that might come along once in a blue moon are all well and good but we need a guarentee that we could fill it regularly, with season ticket holders and members prepared to come along regularly rather than the mate of a mate who might come if there is nothing better to do. No we don't. What guarantee did we have that more than 15126 (Or whatever The Dell capacity was) would turn up when we moved to SMS. ? It was pretty well full every game but I don't recall any substantial ST waiting list . It stands to reason the more readily available seats are then fewer people will not be put off trying to buy them. How many are already being put off trying to get Palace tickets because fans are saying only single seats are available and they want to be able to sit with friends/family. It's unlikely to sell out but I bet there's plenty that could go that won't, who might well have done if more seats were available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Saints are averaging more than Leeds at the moment. Both teams are doing well in the same league. Explain that? £700 season tickets. There's only so far loyalty can be pushed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Neither of them are on about spending 36m to expand theirs. Had England won the 2018 bid, Sheff Wed upto 44,000 and Leeds over 50k. Do you think Leeds and Sheff Weds would need a ground that big in the Premier League? If yes, then why not Saints, as Saints average more than both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 No we don't. What guarantee did we have that more than 15126 (Or whatever The Dell capacity was) would turn up when we moved to SMS. ? It was pretty well full every game but I don't recall any substantial ST waiting list . There was a massive ST waiting list at The Dell. I was on it for 2 years before getting one in 1995. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Had England won the 2018 bid, Sheff Wed upto 44,000 and Leeds over 50k. Do you think Leeds and Sheff Weds would need a ground that big in the Premier League? If yes, then why not Saints, as Saints average more than both of them. It didn't though and Saints weren't one of the grounds on the 2018 bid. This has nothing to do with it. Leeds have historically had big crowds and are one of the top 10 clubs in the country. Saints are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 By not going to game, clearly. due to work,family stuff,finances etc. still Saints supporters, who will attend games as & when they can and influenced by opposition & availability of tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2011 No we don't. What guarantee did we have that more than 15126 (Or whatever The Dell capacity was) would turn up when we moved to SMS. ? It was pretty well full every game but I don't recall any substantial ST waiting list . It stands to reason the more readily available seats are then fewer people will not be put off trying to buy them. How many are already being put off trying to get Palace tickets because fans are saying only single seats are available and they want to be able to sit with friends/family. It's unlikely to sell out but I bet there's plenty that could go that won't, who might well have done if more seats were available. There was a 2 year waiting list for season tickets at The Del. and We could have sold some games out twice over. When could you say that about SMS? How long has our waiting list been there at it's peak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2011 due to work,family stuff,finances etc. still Saints supporters, who will attend games as & when they can and influenced by opposition & availability of tickets. Really? 180,000 Saints fans cant go to game every week because of work, finances, the opposition etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Exactly, if a club and city the size of Leeds cant sell out why would a city like Southampton, half the size? - Leeds did sell out in the Premier League in a 39k stadium. - Saints did sell out in the Premier League in a 32k stadium. Saints average more than Leeds in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Really? 180,000 Saints fans cant go to game every week because of work, finances, the opposition etc? You really don't understand the concept of a casual fan do you? Saints sold 50k tickets for the JPT Final and could have sold 60k to 70k if allowed. The League One game before had only 18,072. A chance to see Saints at Wembley saw a high % of that supposed 200k turn up. Big games, equal big crowds. The Premier League provides 19 big games (some much bigger than others). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2011 - Leeds did sell out in the Premier League in a 39k stadium. - Saints did sell out in the Premier League in a 32k stadium. Saints average more than Leeds in the Championship. Exactly. If a club as big as leeds in a city twice as big, with large support from other areas cant sell 39,000 tickets why would a club of Saints size? I am glad you are finally coming round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2011 You really don't understand the concept of a casual fan do you? Saints sold 50k tickets for the JPT Final and could have sold 60k to 70k if allowed. The League One game before had only 18,072. A chance to see Saints at Wembley saw a high % of that supposed 200k turn up. Big games, equal big crowds. The Premier League provides 19 big games (some much bigger than others). 50k for our first trip to Wembley in 19 years does not equal 44,000 for Bolton at home in February for the 3rd season in a row. You really dont get the concept of a fan do you. and it's not a "supposed 200k" it was you who said we had 200,000 unique names on the database. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Build it and they will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Exactly. If a club as big as leeds in a city twice as big, with large support from other areas cant sell 39,000 tickets why would a club of Saints size? I am glad you are finally coming round. Can you not read? I said Leeds did sell out for games in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 50k for our first trip to Wembley in 19 years does not equal 44,000 for Bolton at home in February for the 3rd season in a row. When have I said Saints would sell 44k for a game against Bolton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Can you not read? I said Leeds did sell out for games in the Premier League. Even better, they have evidence they can sell out a bigger stadium but are not talking of expanding. They have a chance of promotion as well. So why should we be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2011 When have I said Saints would sell 44k for a game against Bolton? What are you on about casual fans for then? Who will attend the Bolton game? A casual fan or a non casual fan? If the casual fan only attends for the 5 big games a season there really isn't any point expanding as for half a season we wont sell anymore tickets than we would in a 32k stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Even better, they have evidence they can sell out a bigger stadium but are not talking of expanding. They have a chance of promotion as well. So why should we be? Saints have evidence they can sell out their stadium. Follow through your own logic! Saints are averaging more than Leeds whilst in the same league. And they were planning to expand, as we previously discussed. But it collapsed when the world cup bid did. Had we had the world cup in England, Leeds, Milton Keynes, Plymouth etc would still have been left with the larger stadium after the tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 What are you on about casual fans for then? Who will attend the Bolton game? A casual fan or a non casual fan? If the casual fan only attends for the 5 big games a season there really isn't any point expanding as for half a season we wont sell anymore tickets than we would in a 32k stadium. Some of the casual fans for games against Bolton, solely because it is a top flight game, a lot more of the casual fans for games against the big sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Saints have evidence they can sell out their stadium. Follow through your own logic! Saints are averaging more than Leeds whilst in the same league. And they were planning to expand, as we previously discussed. But it collapsed when the world cup bid did. Had we had the world cup in England, Leeds, Milton Keynes, Plymouth etc would still have been left with the larger stadium after the tournament. BUt no evidence they can sell more than 32k. Leeds can also prove they can fill their stadium. Have arguably a bigger fan base than us and are a bigger club, They are not talking of expanding. Why should we be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Some of the casual fans for games against Bolton, solely because it is a top flight game, a lot more of the casual fans for games against the big sides. So what are the fans that dont go now called are they part of the "some casual fans". 8,000 "casual fans" Which is what we would need to fill SMS now? So you think there at least 8,000, probably 12,000 "casual fans" which would come to Bolton at home and 20,000 "casual fans" who would come to Man United and City? Assuming we were in the PL of course, because last time we played Man united we only managed to get 27,000 with 4,000 away fans, 17,000 less than what you claim we would get for a league game against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 BUt no evidence they can sell more than 32k. How can Saints sell more than 32k tickets for a 32k stadium? Leeds can also prove they can fill their stadium. Have arguably a bigger fan base than us and are a bigger club, They are not talking of expanding. Why should we be? They were talking about expanding and had every intention to do so but didn't for reasons outside their control - i.e. a World Cup vote! Leeds cannot fill their stadium as well as Saints whilst in the Championship. Leeds can fill their 39k stadium whilst in the Premier League, follow it through and why can't Saints sell more than Leeds in the Premier League if St Mary's were bigger when they can in the Championship already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 (edited) because last time we played Man united we only managed to get 27,000 with 4,000 away fans, 17,000 less than what you claim we would get for a league game against them. How many times do we have to go through this argument? The Man Utd game earlier this year is a complete irrelevance. - The Man Utd game wasn't a Premier League game. - It was in the FA Cup - We all knew before hand Saints would rest players and Man Utd would put out a reserve team. - The Saints team was one of League One players, not Saints Premier League quality players - It was live on terrestrial TV. - It was connected to the Carlise United game so you had to buy tickets for both, it would cost an adult circa £57 in total to sit in the Itchen/Kingsland. Despite all that, the game had the highest attendance of the FA Cup that day. It was even higher than Everton vs Chelsea! Edited 9 December, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 I think you two should get a room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2011 How can Saints sell more than 32k tickets for a 32k stadium? They were talking about expanding and had every intention to do so but didn't for reasons outside their control - i.e. a World Cup vote! Leeds cannot fill their stadium as well as Saints whilst in the Championship. Leeds can fill their 39k stadium whilst in the Premier League, follow it through and why can't Saints sell more than Leeds in the Premier League if St Mary's were bigger when they can in the Championship already? But they decided not to after not getting the world cup vote. Ie that 39,000 was sufficent for them, despite being able to prove they filled their stadium regularly and could sell more whilst in the premier league. They clearly think it isn't sensible to expand yet when they aren't selling out and aren't turning thousands of fans away. Funny that. It begs the question though, Why are they not looking at Wolves, looking at QPR, going on about Chelseas crowds in 1982. Something about Sunderlands season ticket holders. Maybe becuse what they do is irrelevant to them prehaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Anyone know how old Turkish is? It's just like he sounds like every old pub curmudgeon I've ever heard: "Bloomin' Jap motorbikes, never be any good" "Computers, waste of time", "St Marys twice the size of The Dell, sheer stupidity", "people dressing up and enjoying football, bah humbug". Whether you can cope with the change or not you can be sure that the whole question of expansion wil be examined in close detail by those who are making the decision. The whole dynamic of change, on-field success, marketing, pricing points, yields, practicalities of transport, expanding the market etc etc will all have an impact. When the stadium was planned for Stoneham at only 25k I called it as too small. 32k last time was tight, and I can easily see an argument for at least some expansion to cater for a hopefully improved future within the premiership. Fortunately the decision will be called by professionals and not by some miserable old fart down the local saloon bar with the short term view of a goldfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Anyone know how old Turkish is? It's just like he sounds like every old pub curmudgeon I've ever heard: "Bloomin' Jap motorbikes, never be any good" "Computers, waste of time", "St Marys twice the size of The Dell, sheer stupidity", "people dressing up and enjoying football, bah humbug". Whether you can cope with the change or not you can be sure that the whole question of expansion wil be examined in close detail by those who are making the decision. The whole dynamic of change, on-field success, marketing, pricing points, yields, practicalities of transport, expanding the market etc etc will all have an impact. When the stadium was planned for Stoneham at only 25k I called it as too small. 32k last time was tight, and I can easily see an argument for at least some expansion to cater for a hopefully improved future within the premiership. Fortunately the decision will be called by professionals and not by some miserable old fart down the local saloon bar with the short term view of a goldfish. The Ex-pats speak sense again probably why we are Ex-pats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2011 (edited) Anyone know how old Turkish is? It's just like he sounds like every old pub curmudgeon I've ever heard: "Bloomin' Jap motorbikes, never be any good" "Computers, waste of time", "St Marys twice the size of The Dell, sheer stupidity", "people dressing up and enjoying football, bah humbug". Whether you can cope with the change or not you can be sure that the whole question of expansion wil be examined in close detail by those who are making the decision. The whole dynamic of change, on-field success, marketing, pricing points, yields, practicalities of transport, expanding the market etc etc will all have an impact. When the stadium was planned for Stoneham at only 25k I called it as too small. 32k last time was tight, and I can easily see an argument for at least some expansion to cater for a hopefully improved future within the premiership. Fortunately the decision will be called by professionals and not by some miserable old fart down the local saloon bar with the short term view of a goldfish. When have i ever said 32k wasn't enough? I said we had a two year waiting list for season tickets and could have sold out the Dell twice over on occasions. 32,000 is perfectly adequate at the time and now. Until we have a waiting list of season ticket holders and can sell 10,000 more tickets to a game why do we need to spend on something we dont need? Or prehaps we should all be happy clappy morons skipping to games believing we are the be new Barcelona and take millions of pounds of debt just so we can have 12,000 empty seats that we might sell out once in a while. Hey, we'll be in loads of debt again but at least we'll have a stadium big enough to make us the 5th best supported club in the country, even if we dont have the fans. Edited 9 December, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Fortunately the decision will be called by professionals and not by some miserable old fart down the local saloon bar with the short term view of a goldfish. Equally, we can only pray that our hopes aren't pinned on a fantasist who thinks that doubling the cost of our more-than-adequate stadium for the sake of adding another 10-12k seats with no evidence of a guaranteed return on that investment within the next, say, 20 years, is a really good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Build it and they will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Personally, I dont think 32,000 is enough and should be looking around 40,000-45,000. Whether it';s finacially viable to spend that much money to add 8,000 is something the club will obviously look at. By increasing the away attendance and having a sensible pricing policy I see no reason why we couldn't get between 32,000 & 40,000 for most PL games, and sell 40,000 for about 12 of them, but that obviously depends on who is in the Premiership and other such stuff. Take Boxing day for example, we sold 32,000 for Exeter, so would sell 40,000 for say Fulham. If Reading, Skates or Brighton were up, that would possible sell out. Add the Man U's, Chelsea, Spurs, liverpool's to the mix, plus important relegation battles or hopefully Europa league battles and it does become viable. Obvioulsy, nobody knows for sure, and I dont quite see why people are getting so hot and bothered about a little bit of ambition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Equally, we can only pray that our hopes aren't pinned on a fantasist who thinks that doubling the cost of our more-than-adequate stadium for the sake of adding another 10-12k seats with no evidence of a guaranteed return on that investment within the next, say, 20 years, is a really good idea. How old are you Steve? It's just you sound like every old pub curmudgeon I've ever heard: "Bloomin' Jap motorbikes, never be any good" "Computers, waste of time", "St Marys twice the size of The Dell, sheer stupidity", Stop being so bloody realistic and listen to MLG, i mean look at Wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 I thought that it was against forum rules to start multiple threads like this. There is already one that was started by this poster within a few minutes of this one and the same debate is being covered by both. Isn't it time to close one of them and tell the OP to behave himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Personally, I dont think 32,000 is enough and should be looking around 40,000-45,000. Whether it';s finacially viable to spend that much money to add 8,000 is something the club will obviously look at. By increasing the away attendance and having a sensible pricing policy I see no reason why we couldn't get between 32,000 & 40,000 for most PL games, and sell 40,000 for about 12 of them, but that obviously depends on who is in the Premiership and other such stuff. Take Boxing day for example, we sold 32,000 for Exeter, so would sell 40,000 for say Fulham. If Reading, Skates or Brighton were up, that would possible sell out. Add the Man U's, Chelsea, Spurs, liverpool's to the mix, plus important relegation battles or hopefully Europa league battles and it does become viable. Obvioulsy, nobody knows for sure, and I dont quite see why people are getting so hot and bothered about a little bit of ambition.I think that is why NC is looking into the possibility of relocating. St Mary's basically cost £1k per seat but expanding by 10/15,000 or so would probably cost upwards of £3k per seat, which would take years to turn a profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Troy Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Turkish - i have no issue with your concern with this but there is a way forward that would be really sensible. A poll to the tune you have tried to instigate in this thread is useless - there simply are not enough people here let alone those caring to reply that would be at all representative. If you have the time it would be snesible to do the maths. Add: Money from increased stadium use for events from bigger stadium (eg internationals etc) Take away: Additional staffing costs (although reduced if corners/tiers closed for smaller gate fixtures). Cost of increasing the size of the stadium (previously quoted per seat on this forum). Find a few other factors to include and peoplke on here will help with pricing estimates. From here - work out how many tickets at current price need to be sold to make a profit. This is not a discussion of opinion in truth - its simple maths in Nicolas mind - profit good, no profit bad (although small loss and extra cudos would be considered possibly). Not sure what the "discussion point" is here - be very interesting for you to do the maths though and find out however ballparkwhat we would need to make it worthwhile. If doing this excercise is in dreamland then let it go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2011 I thought that it was against forum rules to start multiple threads like this. There is already one that was started by this poster within a few minutes of this one and the same debate is being covered by both. Isn't it time to close one of them and tell the OP to behave himself? How are they the same you lemon? One is about tomorrow's attendance and one is about what happened 7 years ago. For someone that has supposedly got ms on ignore you've got an awful lot to say on my threads Les Bender (PMSL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 I wasn't an ST holder then, just a member, and it was definitely more difficult to get tickets for the popular games. It would be worse now that memberships have been done away with because every Tom Fairweather supporter will be in the queue. And sometimes circumstances prevent being the first. I'm not sure that I will be able to afford to renew my ST next season, so it is a concern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Two threads, look at you. I'm not sure what your agenda is. It seems quite a simple situation, as stated manyvtimes - if we are in the top flight and selling out most games, expansion becomes a possible option. So what does the past or present have to do with it? If we don't sell out premier league games, we won't expand it. Either way, it won't be affected by games from 6 years ago. Besides, we only had a few seasons at SMS in the top flight. We may have gained more fans since by winning a lot of games in recent years, and cheaper prices. Perhaps the sense of optimism and ambition will boost attendences? Perhaps it'll require top flight success to sell out every game. Whatever, it's clear it's all dependent on the future, and what's wrong with assessing expansion options now in case it becomes necessary! We'd have many moaning if it hadn't been at least looked in to. Doesn't mean it'll happen. You dwelling on the past is completely irrelevant though. I assume this is aimed at MLG and not me. He is the one quoting what we did in 2004 as reason we need to expand. As i have said many time, if we get back up to top flight and sell out game after game, season after season then we might need to look at expanding. Until then it's utterly moronic to suggest SMS is not big enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Exactly. If a club as big as leeds in a city twice as big, with large support from other areas cant sell 39,000 tickets why would a club of Saints size? I am glad you are finally coming round. People have more disposable cash down south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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