Professor Posted 5 December, 2011 Share Posted 5 December, 2011 Teams in the Premier League tend to have a smattering of current international players. Some maybe for smaller countries but the competitive clubs in the Prem all have a few big names. Our internationals of recent trime are playing for other clubs - Walcott, Jones, Crouch, Bale, etc. If we do get promoted surely we will need a few players of higher calibre but once you look at recruiting players at the next level up the money gets very silly. Obviously, we have to get promteed first, so this looks premature unless you think the time to raise the bar is now and that we need some real quality to make sure of promotion as well as to hit the ground running next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 5 December, 2011 Share Posted 5 December, 2011 Lallana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 5 December, 2011 Share Posted 5 December, 2011 Newcastle seem to be doing ok without a squad packed with top level internationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 5 December, 2011 Share Posted 5 December, 2011 I don't see why caps effects(affects?) how well the team plays? Surely its better they aren't in international squads as they avoid injury and get a break more often? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 5 December, 2011 Share Posted 5 December, 2011 there are also quite a few players at top clubs who are only internationals due to them being there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 I don't see why caps effects(affects?) how well the team plays? Surely its better they aren't in international squads as they avoid injury and get a break more often? Affects :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 Teams in the Premier League tend to have a smattering of current international players. Some maybe for smaller countries but the competitive clubs in the Prem all have a few big names. Our internationals of recent trime are playing for other clubs - Walcott, Jones, Crouch, Bale, etc. If we do get promoted surely we will need a few players of higher calibre but once you look at recruiting players at the next level up the money gets very silly. Obviously, we have to get promteed first, so this looks premature unless you think the time to raise the bar is now and that we need some real quality to make sure of promotion as well as to hit the ground running next year. I go along with most of your text Professor, but there are several points to consider. Buying in players can cost real money, and we would expect to break our 11 year old club (Rory Delap) signing fee, several times over...this also demands much higher sums in the order of salaries. I doubt if any of the current CC sides have that sort of money readily available - except maybe last years relegated sides. If (and when) we get promotion, then we obviously are more attractive to foreign international / better class Prem. players. Secondly, the international caps part though prestigious, depends a lot on who we are discussing and the position they play, and who they play for. Many might argue that MLT deserved FAR MORE caps than he ever received (except perhaps Messers. Venables and Hoddle) who blatantly neglected him at a time when he was one of the best players in the land. Likewise, both Wayne Bridge and James Beattie (at their best) were unlucky to have the competition they had for places ( Ashley Cole / Alan Shearer) in the England squad. Gareth Bale, being Welsh, was an automatic choice as soon as he had moved up a division, but he might well have been in competition for England - had be been considered for them instead. Aside from the top six/seven Prem.sides few clubs are overloaded with top class internationals, whereas smaller countries can still produce good individual players, as we have seen with the likes of Pahars and Niemi. WE can hope than we are able to find a few more of those types when we move up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 (edited) What an utterly pointless thread. If we get promoted which international players could we sign. FFS. Do people really have nothing better to do than think about this? Edited 6 December, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 If memory Serbs correctly then didn't we go for a couple of Norwegian fellows that turned out ok? The Scandinavian countries seem to offer some pretty decent footballers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 (edited) What an utterly pointless thread. If we get promoted which international players could we sign. FFS. Do people really have nothing better to do than think about this? Sorry !...but I have to agree with the validity of this thread Turkish. The day after we get promoted is a bit too late to start thinking about such decisions. A quick look through the profiles of most Prem. clubs - even those near the bottom - shows that almost all of them have internationals as regulars in their squads. (albeit Third world countries in FIFA's reckoning). Good players exist in all countries - even those who rate over 100 in FIFAs table. Latvia had always been in the 50-100 ratings, but how I wish we could find another Pahars - regardless of where he comes from. Many Prem. sides have at least TWO international goalies in their squads, we did when we had Jones and Niemi vying for the place. Kenwyne Jones can hardly be called a world-beater, but he has had a better Prem. career than many others could dream of. If Cortese/ Adkins are genuinely planning for ...Life in the Prem 2012- ????, then I hope they will have been seriously considering this, because I'm sure some of our fans have. Maybe this squad is good enough to go up (barring serious injury problems) ..but we equally well know -in that eventuality..some of them won't " make the cut", and go onto a Prem. career, however hopeful they may be. Their replacements will need to be of a much better quality if we are to survive. Edited 6 December, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 Sorry !...but I have to agree with the validity of this thread Turkish. The day after we get promoted is a bit too late to start thinking about such decisions. A quick look through the profiles of most Prem. clubs - even those near the bottom - shows that almost all of them have internationals as regulars in their squads. (albeit Third world countries in FIFA's reckoning). Good players exist in all countries - even those who rate over 100 in FIFAs table. Latvia had always been in the 50-100 ratings, but how I wish we could find another Pahars - regardless of where he comes from. Many Prem. sides have at least TWO international goalies in their squads, we did when we had Jones and Niemi vying for the place. Kenwyne Jones can hardly be called a world-beater, but he has had a better Prem. career than many others could dream of. If Cortese/ Adkins are genuinely planning for ...Life in the Prem 2012- ????, then I hope they will have been seriously considering this, because I'm sure some of our fans have. Maybe this squad is good enough to go up (barring serious injury problems) ..but we equally well know -in that eventuality..some of them won't " make the cut", and go onto a Prem. career, however hopeful they may be. Their replacements will need to be of a much better quality if we are to survive. I can't be bothered to read what you've WRITTEN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 This thread makes no sense at all, why do we need a player just because he's an international? If I were a betting man I'd put money on none of the current Faroe island team getting a game in the Championship, let alone the prem. Sure it gives the fans something to brag about, perhaps, but do we really want our players running the risk of getting injured or burnt out just so we can go on Pompey forums and brag about our International players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 (edited) Anyway there aren't enough real internationals (ie from a top 30 nation) to go round. That's because clubs like the Mans,Chelsea,Madrid,Barcelona,The Milans and the like insist on having 2 internationals (or more) for every position.600 or so top rate international players are soon gobbled up by those clubs.When any other club gets a decent player who gets picked for a real international nation then the others just fall over themselves to prise him away, whether they need his services or not. Edited 6 December, 2011 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 This thread makes no sense at all, why do we need a player just because he's an international? If I were a betting man I'd put money on none of the current Faroe island team getting a game in the Championship, let alone the prem. QUOTE] Of course, you're right Dimond Geezer..or you would have been had it not been for Claus Bech Jorgensen a Farao Islands International who played over 50 games in Premier League for Bradford City when they were up (2000-01)...he may even have played against Saints in that season? Later he moved to Coventry (2003-06) played 52 games... and then onto Blackpool (2006 -09) for 100 games ..both in the Championship. Last heard of he was playing Conference football for Fleetwood (aged 35). Sorry about that, but it's a good job you didn't say Iceland..they only have population of 250,000 ..but have had a number of top class players in Prem. (the problem when you challenge a statistical nerd (like me) and Wikipedia.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 Sorry !...but I have to agree with the validity of this thread Turkish. The day after we get promoted is a bit too late to start thinking about such decisions. A quick look through the profiles of most Prem. clubs - even those near the bottom - shows that almost all of them have internationals as regulars in their squads. (albeit Third world countries in FIFA's reckoning). Good players exist in all countries - even those who rate over 100 in FIFAs table. Latvia had always been in the 50-100 ratings, but how I wish we could find another Pahars - regardless of where he comes from. Many Prem. sides have at least TWO international goalies in their squads, we did when we had Jones and Niemi vying for the place. Kenwyne Jones can hardly be called a world-beater, but he has had a better Prem. career than many others could dream of. If Cortese/ Adkins are genuinely planning for ...Life in the Prem 2012- ????, then I hope they will have been seriously considering this, because I'm sure some of our fans have. Maybe this squad is good enough to go up (barring serious injury problems) ..but we equally well know -in that eventuality..some of them won't " make the cut", and go onto a Prem. career, however hopeful they may be. Their replacements will need to be of a much better quality if we are to survive. Of course the irony being that so many were quick to slag off West Ham fans for being arrogant only a couple of weeks ago for talking about being in the premier league. In anycase, we've already been told on here in the past we dont need to spend big, all you need is a good academy, we can rely on that apprantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 In anycase, we've already been told on here in the past we dont need to spend big, all you need is a good academy, we can rely on that apprantly. Yeah right.....I guess that's why 21 out of the 22 players that make up our first team group are bought in. Whole academy set up needs needs a kick up the backside in my view.Mind you with Dodd anywhere near it I can't say I'm surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 This thread makes no sense at all, why do we need a player just because he's an international? If I were a betting man I'd put money on none of the current Faroe island team getting a game in the Championship, let alone the prem. QUOTE] Of course, you're right Dimond Geezer..or you would have been had it not been for Claus Bech Jorgensen a Farao Islands International who played over 50 games in Premier League for Bradford City when they were up (2000-01)...he may even have played against Saints in that season? Later he moved to Coventry (2003-06) played 52 games... and then onto Blackpool (2006 -09) for 100 games ..both in the Championship. Last heard of he was playing Conference football for Fleetwood (aged 35). Sorry about that, but it's a good job you didn't say Iceland..they only have population of 250,000 ..but have had a number of top class players in Prem. (the problem when you challenge a statistical nerd (like me) and Wikipedia.) Well done, every loves a smart arse. I randomly select a team outside of the FIFA 100 and you manage to find some stats to prove me wrong, although your desperation doesn't invalidate my point. I could have chosen American Samoa. Yes I was really lucky not to select Iceland, that really would have been embarrassing wouldn't it, although according to wiki the population at the Start of this year was estimated at 318,452. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 Yeah right.....I guess that's why 21 out of the 22 players that make up our first team group are bought in. Whole academy set up needs needs a kick up the backside in my view.Mind you with Dodd anywhere near it I can't say I'm surprised. Not my word WC. We've been told on here in the past that all that is required to be a top 4 club is a good academy and a good manager. We dont need to spend £100s of millions doing it, that is all we need to do. Man United have done it, they won the champions league with the home grown Beckham, Giggs, Scholes and Nevilles. Why cant we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 Well done, every loves a smart arse. I randomly select a team outside of the FIFA 100 and you manage to find some stats to prove me wrong, although your desperation doesn't invalidate my point. I could have chosen American Samoa. Yes I was really lucky not to select Iceland, that really would have been embarrassing wouldn't it, although according to wiki the population at the Start of this year was estimated at 318,452. We should probably sign a couple of San Marino and Litchenstein internationals, that is all we'll need along with our academy players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 Not my word WC. We've been told on here in the past that all that is required to be a top 4 club is a good academy and a good manager. We dont need to spend £100s of millions doing it, that is all we need to do. Man United have done it, they won the champions league with the home grown Beckham, Giggs, Scholes and Nevilles. Why cant we? Yes I got the point in the first place,just trying to point out, perhaps none too well,that our famous academy seems to be slowing down cos it's producing very little and the little that it did produce of late was none too interested in making a career with us. I honestly am concerned by the lack of players coming through, then again i know sod all about Hunter and Jason Dodd isn't a man I'd pick to run the academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 Yes I got the point in the first place,just trying to point out, perhaps none too well,that our famous academy seems to be slowing down cos it's producing very little and the little that it did produce of late was none too interested in making a career with us. I honestly am concerned by the lack of players coming through, then again i know sod all about Hunter and Jason Dodd isn't a man I'd pick to run the academy. *stamps feet* But But But we are the new Barcelona. We'll be playing in the champions league soon with a team full of academy graduates. We've got the next Beckham and Scholes coming through. Man United have proven it can be done, why cant we do it? Everyone knows all you need is a good academy to make the champions league and all the players will stay forever ignoring more money and bigger clubs to fullfill their dream of playing in the champions league with their mates at Southampton. We'll be able to attract top internationals now because they'll buy into Corteses vision. They'll all want to join because we are near the sea and the new forest, West Quay is great for their wives to shop in and Highfield school is one of the best in Hampshire for their kids to attend. I really dont who why anyone would question where the internationals are going to come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 *stamps feet* But But But we are the new Barcelona. We'll be playing in the champions league soon with a team full of academy graduates. We've got the next Beckham and Scholes coming through. Man United have proven it can be done, why cant we do it? Everyone knows all you need is a good academy to make the champions league and all the players will stay forever ignoring more money and bigger clubs to fullfill their dream of playing in the champions league with their mates at Southampton. We'll be able to attract top internationals now because they'll buy into Corteses vision. They'll all want to join because we are near the sea and the new forest, West Quay is great for their wives to shop in and Highfield school is one of the best in Hampshire for their kids to attend. I really dont who why anyone would question where the internationals are going to come from. A good academy is essential if you want to win the Champions League...provided that you can fill it with the finest talents from Argentina and Brazil.Unfortunately the UK's weather seems to put them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 Yes I got the point in the first place,just trying to point out, perhaps none too well,that our famous academy seems to be slowing down cos it's producing very little and the little that it did produce of late was none too interested in making a career with us. I honestly am concerned by the lack of players coming through, then again i know sod all about Hunter and Jason Dodd isn't a man I'd pick to run the academy. Being relegated to League 1 with a team which had a few acadamey players and not playing many in League 1 when we were there suggests to me that we are not very likely to have many capable of playing in the PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 A good academy is essential if you want to win the Champions League...provided that you can fill it with the finest talents from Argentina and Brazil.Unfortunately the UK's weather seems to put them off. We clearly aren't selling the area to them enough, Maybe we could take them out on the solent on Corteses sunseeker and show them reruns of Howards Way, they'll be sure to sign then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 Being relegated to League 1 with a team which had a few acadamey players and not playing many in League 1 when we were there suggests to me that we are not very likely to have many capable of playing in the PL Not many?? Sort of none'ish I expect.Let's face it if they aren't capable of stepping up to an injury hit Championship side and replacing superstars like De Ridder and Holmes by the time they're 19 or 20 then they ain't got it.More fodder for Brentford and Bompey though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 Yes I was really lucky not to select Iceland, that really would have been embarrassing wouldn't it, although according to wiki the population at the Start of this year was estimated at 318,452. It wasn't desperation.. as much as to show that even in the tiniest backwater of the football world, some talent does exist. I'm won't bother to check on American Samoan players..last time I saw anything about them, Australia had beaten them 18-0 in a W.C.Qualifier ..or was it 30-0 ? -but i do know that a couple of San Marino players are in Serie B teams in Italy, and at least one Lichenstein player in the Swiss league. ...I made a stab at the Icelandic population, which I had thought was even closer to 300K....now it's grown considerably. It's a terribly bleak place, so maybe the residents don't have so much else to do on those eternally dark evenings (!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 6 December, 2011 Share Posted 6 December, 2011 (edited) I honestly am concerned by the lack of players coming through, then again i know sod all about Hunter and Jason Dodd isn't a man I'd pick to run the academy. the fact that you know "sod all " about Hunter isn't really a valid point -is it? I don't either. We rarely ever hear/see much of those behind the scenes, although to be fair Adkins is often praising them all. and for all we know Jason Dodd may be the next good coach we have - especially when we see some of his lads move up in the age range. Unfortunately, good coaches don't necessarily make good managers. There is a sad history of those who didn't . Stuart Gray for one . and Steve Wigley after him, but we easily forget how good their youth sides were in the early days.. and the comments from the man we all cringe to listen to ..Dave Merrington ..won't win the "voice of the year" for his radio commentaries, but over a long period coached the most successful generation of youngsters this club has EVER had (throughout the mid-late 1980's); MLT, Shearer, Maddison, the Wallace brothers, Benali, Dodd and Kenna (amongst others) all went on to First team careers and some of them internationals...but as first team manager, DM just managed to keep us up for one season, but was chopped off at the knees when Rupert Lowe arrived. To be fair to Jason Dodd, he was (together with ?Dave Bassett ?) holding the reins for a few weeks at a critical time when the team was in free fall, and a queue of people were playing musical chairs in the managers office. I don't think it fair to dismiss him from future participation without better evidence. Certainly HIS present youth side must be amongst the best since Merrington's time. Edited 6 December, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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