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Clearly touched a raw nerve or close to the truth. Your proposal to 'shut me up' is akin to the policy of a tin pot dictator who cannot deal with a view that is dffernt from his own.

I don't think that the problem is your opinion - it is its endless repetition. :rolleyes:

For your next post just put in three blank spaces. I'm pretty sure that we can fill in the rest for ourselves!

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Utterly rubbish reporting. With relations between the club and the Echo what they are, I'd think the Echo would be the last people to know if the club was suffering financially.

 

Not in any sense rubbish reporting. Nor at any point does it say the club is suffering financially. What is true at last and thank god is that it is being run by people with a semblance of financial understanding who understand that to blue too high a proportion of money on wages/transfer fees is the way to destruction (just have a look down the road). It is absurd to suggest that we can get a like for like replacemnt for Rickie who would be prepared to sit around waiting his chance. Its also a nonsense idea. Rickie is the best player in the Championship by some way. A direct equivalent would indeed cost 10 million. It would be absurd to use any funds we do have to do that. Barcelona don't have a replacement for Messi waiting in the wings. What we do need to do is deepen the squad with players that give us decent options - the main need is for a young David Connolly with pace. This might be Maynard; it might be J Rod. They both look promising players but their clubs have inflated views of their worth and I imagine NA and others have been looking farther afield for the right person.

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Lol at people that thought/think we are still loaded. We aren't going to spend irresponsibly. Yes, we have a bit of money available, but surely people knew that any losses would be covered by the Chamberlain money. The attitude, as I can see it, is a sensible one and not a Champ Manager one, as in 'We've sold a player for £12m, we now have £12m to spend.' The attitude is "If we need a player in a certain position we will look at the options available, and if a decent option for a decent price that will fit into the team ethic and the 'Southmapton Way' of playing, then we will buy them." We know this as we were looking for a 2nd striker before we sold Chambo in the Summer.

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Nonsense. There's no way in hell you're aware of how the club stores its money, unless you work for the club, in which case Cortese will find you and probably lay you off soon for not keeping your mouth shut.

 

I work at the club. Does that count?

 

Unless you live in Lithuania.

 

Incorrect. They sold the pot at a flea market in an effort to balance the books.

 

Didn't Askham keep it in a biscuit tin under the bed?

 

Myth, I have it on good authority he just really liked custard creams.

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I don't think for a moment that FF has an agenda against Liebherr or NC, but just questions rather than blindly accepting things. No problem with that.

 

As far as this Journo is concerned, neither he nor any of us know outside of a few at the club. We can only go on what's happened so far and IMHO we have actually spent quite heavily in the summer +Jos.

 

We can state the AOC money has not been used, but as far as I'm concerned I'm happy we have a budget and it seems a pretty decent one, but in line with a club of our size. The last time we tried the alternative, we almost lost the entire club. Never again please.

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How much would it cost to buy another Lambert, not a 2nd rate one to sit on the bench in case RL picks up a knock, but a genuine, all round, centre forward? £5m? £10m?

 

Are we going to spunk that on a player in case one of ours get injured? No, of course not.

 

As for the Echo knowing what we do have to spend, I couldn't trust it to tell if the sun was shining.

 

That is a rediculous thing to say.......We don't have ANY back up at all not even a £1m player - that is the point. No one in their right mind expects us to spend £10m on a player for God's sake. We have no one in the Ressies or what ever they are called iether these days which is just rank bad planning ...........

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T We have no one in the Ressies or what ever they are called iether these days which is just rank bad planning ...........

 

Well we do actually,we have Forte,Hoskins and Doble but as they aren't used by the manager at all I suppose we must all surmise that they aren't good enough or not yet.Barnard is effectively in the "reserves" cos he's a bench case but what he's going to bring to our campaign is yet to be seen.Nigh on 8 months does seem a long time for an ankle sprain.

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We are a bit of a mystery club aren't we ? We don't even really know for sure the name(s) of the people who own us beyond vague references to the Liebherr family. No one outside the club knows what our transfer budget is likely to be, but it seems to me that there is good reason to believe that a decent level of investment in the club is likely to continue - for the time being.

 

So in the absence of a open dialog between the club and its fanbase then speculation is bound to flourish, and that level of fan & press speculation is the price our owners will have to pay for maintaining their (near) silence.

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We are a bit of a mystery club aren't we ? We don't even really know for sure the name(s) of the people who own us beyond vague references to the Liebherr family. No one outside the club knows what our transfer budget is likely to be, but it seems to me that there is good reason to believe that a decent level of investment in the club is likely to continue - for the time being.

 

So in the absence of a open dialog between the club and its fanbase then speculation is bound to flourish, and that level of fan & press speculation is the price our owners will have to pay for maintaining their (near) silence.

 

 

As ever Chapel End Charlie talks sense.

Pre ML's buyout the finances of the club were of vast importance to all fans because after all it was all our finance. It was important to know what was being spent and where. Obviously now that is not our business as we are privately owned, but I can't help wondering - sorry old habits die hard.

I smile when people still accuse me of being anti-Saints - if anything this post was anti-Echo but unfortunately on here to "question" is seen by many to "criticise".

 

The only time I have ever been "political" re Saints was under the later reign of Rupert Lowe who I felt had lost the plot soon after appointing Wigley as our permanent manager. Things quickly turned nasty. In hindsight perhaps i was too harsh on Lowe, as his heart was in the right place although often his mouth wasn't.

As for the Liebherr family, well I wish they were a little more open as to their ambition and desires - there remains an undercurrant of speculation that they wish to sell and that NC himself might want to buy but it is - speculation. Things are going well, much better than I expected, but now expectations have risen too, which in itself could be a problem. Have we over achieved so far this season? maybe, but the table doesn't lie. I would however feel more confident if i knew that we were going to make a serious charge at the Premiership (and why not after a fabulous start) and to do that we DO need to strenthen significantly in January. Another reason why I started this thread.

These are just my thoughts which I express on a forum in the hope I can "learn" from the ensuing debate from my fellow fans.

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We are a bit of a mystery club aren't we ? We don't even really know for sure the name(s) of the people who own us beyond vague references to the Liebherr family. No one outside the club knows what our transfer budget is likely to be, but it seems to me that there is good reason to believe that a decent level of investment in the club is likely to continue - for the time being.

 

So in the absence of a open dialog between the club and its fanbase then speculation is bound to flourish, and that level of fan & press speculation is the price our owners will have to pay for maintaining their (near) silence.

 

Can I be honest? I'm sick and bloody tired of dialogue - politicians want a dialogue with voters, retailers want a dialogue with customers, teachers want a dialogue with pupils...

 

It is, frankly, a lot of complete b o ll o x!

 

Here's the deal.

 

If we win football matches under a half decent manager playing half decent football - who gives a flying turkey if the owners are silent mormons living in Llandudno?? (With the proviso that they are not bent - well at least not Madoff bent, in truth these days I begin to wonder whether anyone with means is truly straight and didn't half the aristocracy nick their wealth from someone?!)

 

Same as the politicians - stop fecking talking and let's see some action! Fill the potholes, speed the trains, upgrade the hospitals, FUND the armed forces and do the bloody job you were elected for. Don't FFS ask voters anything - half of them of are inbreds who couldn't determine whether the sun should rise in the morning...

 

All we need to see from our Chairman/Owners is - appointing a good manager (check), supporting his judgement (check) and running the club with a view to success and sustainability (check).

 

All else is just commentary.

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You have to take the Chairman at face value.

He wants promotion THIS YEAR.

 

So why would he not back his manager (proven manager) to achieve it??

 

The problem is we have some fans who seem to think that unless the chairman starts throwing around obscence amounts of cash he is not backing the manager......

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The problem is we have some fans who seem to think that unless the chairman starts throwing around obscence amounts of cash he is not backing the manager......

 

The thing is we HAVE thrown obscene amounts of cash around...!!!!

 

We were the tenth highest spending club in England last summer - and have just lashed about another £1m plus on a central defender.

 

I think people get confused with what the top elite pay and what the real world pay.

 

And if someone wants to tell me that Sven's £5m on Mills was better value than £1.3m on Jos the Boss, then I'll show you a cretin!!! ;)

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The thing is we HAVE thrown obscene amounts of cash around...!!!!

 

We were the tenth highest spending club in England last summer - and have just lashed about another £1m plus on a central defender.

 

I think people get confused with what the top elite pay and what the real world pay.And if someone wants to tell me that Sven's £5m on Mills was better value than £1.3m on Jos the Boss, then I'll show you a cretin!!! ;)

 

Nail head

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Can I be honest? I'm sick and bloody tired of dialogue - politicians want a dialogue with voters, retailers want a dialogue with customers, teachers want a dialogue with pupils...

 

It is, frankly, a lot of complete b o ll o x!

 

Here's the deal.

 

If we win football matches under a half decent manager playing half decent football - who gives a flying turkey if the owners are silent mormons living in Llandudno?? (With the proviso that they are not bent - well at least not Madoff bent, in truth these days I begin to wonder whether anyone with means is truly straight and didn't half the aristocracy nick their wealth from someone?!)

 

Same as the politicians - stop fecking talking and let's see some action! Fill the potholes, speed the trains, upgrade the hospitals, FUND the armed forces and do the bloody job you were elected for. Don't FFS ask voters anything - half of them of are inbreds who couldn't determine whether the sun should rise in the morning...

 

All we need to see from our Chairman/Owners is - appointing a good manager (check), supporting his judgement (check) and running the club with a view to success and sustainability (check).

 

All else is just commentary.

 

#Applause#

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We don't have a large pot of money (check) - we don't need one (check) - just pay modestly for the backup roles .... do think we slipped up by not giving Beattie a 3 month PAYP deal .... but that's gone now ...

 

And I don't get annoyed at Dalek. He has always amused me with 117 different ways of saying "Hoddle is God" and "we're gonna finish no higher than midtable." I don't agree with either statement, but he has a right to post his lunatic comments.

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Can I be honest? I'm sick and bloody tired of dialogue - politicians want a dialogue with voters, retailers want a dialogue with customers, teachers want a dialogue with pupils...

 

It is, frankly, a lot of complete b o ll o x!

 

Here's the deal.

 

If we win football matches under a half decent manager playing half decent football - who gives a flying turkey if the owners are silent mormons living in Llandudno?? (With the proviso that they are not bent - well at least not Madoff bent, in truth these days I begin to wonder whether anyone with means is truly straight and didn't half the aristocracy nick their wealth from someone?!)

 

Same as the politicians - stop fecking talking and let's see some action! Fill the potholes, speed the trains, upgrade the hospitals, FUND the armed forces and do the bloody job you were elected for. Don't FFS ask voters anything - half of them of are inbreds who couldn't determine whether the sun should rise in the morning...

 

All we need to see from our Chairman/Owners is - appointing a good manager (check), supporting his judgement (check) and running the club with a view to success and sustainability (check).

 

All else is just commentary.

 

I'm just the opposite, probably because I spend far too much time thinking about Southampton Football Club.

 

I'm happy to concede that it is a matter of some interest to me what our owners long term plans for the club are.

When things are going this well the secretive way the club is being run may not matter that much. But success can't last forever.

Although it is their business of course (quite literally) I still think there is some value in keeping the fanbase informed.

I can see no real contradiction between action and dialog. Surely one doesn't preclude the other, and both are desirable.

Agree, we don't "need" the owners to communicate with us, but I can't see the harm in them doing so either.

As for our politicians, the desirability of a 'kept in the dark & feed on bullsh1t' policy seem overrated to this voter.

 

The above is not intended to be taken as a serious criticism of the way the club is being run, but rather just one ordinary fan's wish to be kept better informed about the course his club is taking.

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Can I be honest? I'm sick and bloody tired of dialogue - politicians want a dialogue with voters, retailers want a dialogue with customers, teachers want a dialogue with pupils...

 

It is, frankly, a lot of complete b o ll o x!

 

Here's the deal.

 

If we win football matches under a half decent manager playing half decent football - who gives a flying turkey if the owners are silent mormons living in Llandudno?? (With the proviso that they are not bent - well at least not Madoff bent, in truth these days I begin to wonder whether anyone with means is truly straight and didn't half the aristocracy nick their wealth from someone?!)

 

Same as the politicians - stop fecking talking and let's see some action! Fill the potholes, speed the trains, upgrade the hospitals, FUND the armed forces and do the bloody job you were elected for. Don't FFS ask voters anything - half of them of are inbreds who couldn't determine whether the sun should rise in the morning...

 

All we need to see from our Chairman/Owners is - appointing a good manager (check), supporting his judgement (check) and running the club with a view to success and sustainability (check).

 

All else is just commentary.

 

Like this post !

 

And as has been mentioned elsewhere, we have spent an extraordinary amount of money on the squad - Not just the £4million or so on 4 new players, but also re-newing all the contracts of our key exisiting players too..

Added to that, we know we were interested in both Sharp and Rodriguez during the summer window so it is fair to assume that money will be available this coming window too, provided the price is right.

The manager has been well backed and is arguably punching us above our weight!

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Have no problem with FF bringing the subject up, but also highly rate LGSC post!

 

FWIW I think the journo looked at the accounts and saw the deficit - forgetting that the conclusions drawn from them would be nothing more than speculation. If we assume that the 13 mil paid for the club was shoved on the books as a loan from Markus (eg. buy the club for £1 and then pay off the agreed amounts of 13mil to the creditors from the 'loan' + 'loan' additional funds for taht initial spending, its pretty easy to see how those figures arose... now If this was anyone but Markus and NC, who we know have achieved their success through ethical business practice, I might be concerned by this approach, but TBH, its common practice so in this case no worries (If my speculation is correct)... as we have been told that Markus left provision in his will for the club. Long term it may be that the Liebherrs will look to sell the club, who knows, but one thing I am extremely comfortable with is the knowledge that they would ensure we went to the right kind of people and in tip top shape financially.

 

I also believe that whilst we are not sitting on a mountain of cash burning a whole in NC's pocket, the 'provision' for the club will allow us to invest at the right price for the right players if appropriate deals can be done - sensible and pragmatic and good business sense prevail. Sadly some clowns such as Dalek, make a rather idiotic mistake that this somehow equates to lack of ambition - as if teh only way ambition can be shown is through stupity in the transfer market....

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I have no doubt that we'll sign a striker in January. Not a back up for Lambert, but a long term replacement for Connolly. Fit & on form, they're our best strikeforce. We've missed DC.

 

We've got back up, and until we're top 6 in the PL, we can't afford a squad where the back up is as good as the first team.

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So says Adam Leitch in tonight's Echo. He was referring to the fact that Saints do not have "a direct replacement for Lambert". Something that has bothered a few of us on here.

 

He goes on to say within the same article "you have to accept that without a massive pot of cash, WHICH SAINTS DON'T HAVE, you aren't going to get a like-for-like in terms of quality for your star turn".

 

Well over the last 12 months - even without taking into account the wealth of the owner(s) of the club - we are , thanks mainly to the income from the Chamberlain transfer, a good 8 to 9 million in the black. So why does Adam insinuate there is not decent money available.

 

Sloppy Echo reporting/accounting or does he know something, we don't.

 

No agenda before the accusations start........ just genuinely intrigued why the local sports' reporter thinks we can't - or won't -afford a decent back up for Rickee.

 

Even if this is true - it's still time to speculate to accumulate. We're in a strong position to promote - stronger than any CCC side - so with minor investment we'll reap millions. There is no point in football in hoping for the next season - you must grab the moment - there are no guarantees there will not be 3 better sides next season.

 

NC and the gang must look for investors now - no plc mind! - and push on. I believe he has the ambition. But, I do not believe we have the ability to retain players like Lallana for example if we do not promote.

 

I'm also interested to know where the £s from Oxlade Chamberlain are if we have nothing to invest? Do tell us Adam Leich...

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From the OS , i wouldn't have thought it cost millions but it does show that money continues to be invested in the overall running costs of the club..

The St. Mary's playing surface has received a boost with the installation of moveable lighting rigs.

 

The grounds staff will now be able to keep the sun shining on St Mary's all year round, with the club (( investing a considerable amount of money )) in giving the pitch every opportunity to stay in top shape throughout the season.

 

Saints Player caught up with the stadium's Head Groundsman Andy Gray, who explains how the system will allow his staff to gain control over the amount of light and heat the pitch receives in all seasons, ensuring that its reputation as one of the best pitches in the country, remains.

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From the OS , i wouldn't have thought it cost millions but it does show that money continues to be invested in the overall running costs of the club..

The St. Mary's playing surface has received a boost with the installation of moveable lighting rigs.

 

The grounds staff will now be able to keep the sun shining on St Mary's all year round, with the club (( investing a considerable amount of money )) in giving the pitch every opportunity to stay in top shape throughout the season.

 

Saints Player caught up with the stadium's Head Groundsman Andy Gray, who explains how the system will allow his staff to gain control over the amount of light and heat the pitch receives in all seasons, ensuring that its reputation as one of the best pitches in the country, remains.

 

Nothing some other clubs haven't had for years.

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Another tedious wind up. I doubt you can get the Echo in Norwich. Onto the 'ignore' list methinks along with all the other wind up merchants/dickheads that I do not have to bother with

 

Yes although although I don't come on here much anymore his remarks wind me up (so they work) and I suspect he may genuinely have some mental problems so on the ignore list he goes....

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Personally, I think how much we have to spend on players will depend on how much the "Liebherr Estate" decides to fund us.

 

As I think Granty has said, I still think we are running at a loss - decent crowds, larger share of TV money has helped, but we were running at quite a large operational loss from the last set of books, so think some of the Chambo money will have offset that. Plus as others have said, we have spent a tidy little sum as well on new players.

 

Interest in various players in the last window would suggest we're prepared to spend some money, but it also appeared to be capped (not sure whether that was to do with the actual amount, or whether it was the value for money aspect, or for wage issues).

 

So Leitch making such a comment is definitely worthy of having a chat about (and as others have said, is it idle speculation or an informed source??), and FAF to see the same knooobs trying to accuse people of having an axe to grind. (Perhaps they should feel free to provide this forum of what can and can't be discussed and then when they've highlighted what we can discuss, perhaps they should let us know what we should be saying LOL).

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How much do we need to spend? Impossible to say.

 

I recall in the summer (think it was DellDays and someone else, sorry if remembered wrongly) some in awe of West Ham and Leicester due to their expensive squads.

 

Leicester were throwing money around (personally wasn't convinced any/many would have made our first 11). I bet if we had signed some 'names' in the summer and were currently top, fans would be happy with our ambition and backing of the manager.

 

Because we didn't people are still doubting whether the club are showing sufficient ambition.

 

 

I would be happy with any signing, who fits in with the club ethos and improved the team / squad. However, I see very few areas where we need to strengthen.

 

If Adkins can strenthen, with his type of player, for the right money I would not be surprised to see him signing a player for any position - the Fox signing being a good example.

 

Unless Seaborn and Jaidi are out for a long time, the only position I think is looking light is another style of forward - a young energetic direct forward - think we have plenty with guile and skill.

 

Only way board and manager can be judged is the table...hopefully will answer any doubts!

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Well, I thought I'd ask Adam Leitch exactly what he meant by that almost 'throw away' comment about us not having a massive pot of money.

 

His reply was that it related to the amount of money that it would cost to replace RL. I did push the point that it implied something completely different, but he didn't elaborate.

 

So, either he knows something we don't or he's wishing he hadn't used that phrase.

 

The plot thickens...

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I suspect the answer is how much NC sees as prudent and value added. I'm sure the Leibherr estate has as much trust in NC to make the right decisions as Markus himself had when he was alive. If he wants to spend £10million on a player, then IMO they will fund that, likewise if he thinks a £25,000 player from non-league with do the job, they'll back that decision. I'm sure the plan at the start of the season was to see where we were in January and fund accordingly and with a real chance of automatic promotion, IMO the funds for the next transfer window will be considerable as long as the "right" players are available.

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Why does NA keep saying we need to be in the top 10 come January so we can push on from there if we weren't planning to strengthen the team ?

 

Why would we do better with the same bunch of players?

 

I think we will be a lot higher than 10th hopefully still in the top 2 but I read into these comments that NA will be seriously backed in Jan if the right players are available at the right place.I would not be surprised to see us spend £6-7 million on 3 quality players to help us seriously push on.

 

What we won't do is spend £6 million on one player imo

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