Burrows uses Bradford, Hillsborough and Ibrox disasters to justify bubble

[Whitey Grandad]

He's still using tragedies like these to justify his decisions. It's pretty vile taste to be honest.

I agree totally.

 

Hillsborough = Police primarily to blame bad ticketing and overcrowding.

 

Bradford - A fire that could of happened anywhere in wooden stands that where the norm in football grounds.

 

Heysel - Allsorts to blame

 

Ibrox - Fans leaving en masse and crush from stairwell which again i cant seen related to 'trouble'.

 

I really cannot see the justification in mentioning any of those disasters. Unless your are doing so for PR scare tactics.

 

I also agree. Somebody please explain to me how having a bubble would have prevented any of these awful tragedies.

[70's Mike]

having re read pc burrows bit How would a bubble have stopped the skates smashing up their own dump a few years back, how would a bubble have stopped what happened last time at sms.

the man must have been a prawn sandwich brigade support when he lived in manchester

[um pahars]

To mention the disasters at Ibrox, Bradford and Hillsborough in that response displays a serious lack of understanding, empathy and nous from this cretinous individual.

 

I do hope he gets taken to task over this.

[dune]

Is PC Burrows saying the Scousers at Hillsborough died because of Scouse hooligans?

 

That's what it looks like to me.

 

We really do need to get this onto a LFC forum and ask them their views...

[ericb]

So our celebrity police **** is really ignoring all of the **** ups by the police at Hillsborough and using it to justify a massively over the top police operation for the bubble? I'm guessing he doesn't do irony right?

[View From The Top]

Is PC Burrows saying the Scousers at Hillsborough died because of Scouse hooligans?

 

That's what it looks like to me.

 

That's how I read it as well.

[Saint_clark]

Is PC Burrows saying the Scousers at Hillsborough died because of Scouse hooligans?

 

That's what it looks like to me.

 

We really do need to get this onto a LFC forum and ask them their views...

 

Agreed, there have been campaigns against the Sun for years for comments like this.

[krissyboy31]

To mention the disasters at Ibrox, Bradford and Hillsborough in that response displays a serious lack of understanding, empathy and nous from this cretinous individual.

 

I do hope he gets taken to task over this.

Taken to task? He should be made to resign over it!! Absolute bloody disgrace. Of course these disasters (although having absolutely nothing to with it) happened at a time when fans were treated like sh!t and herded like cattle, well guess what???!!!

[dune]

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php

 

FFS It won't let me register, and there's even a Hillsborough sub forum.

[dune]

ha ha. he's a Manc too. The scousers are gonna love that.

[Jonnyboy]

A "bubble?" What a cr@p idea.

[Crab Lungs]

In times like these it's fair to ask: WWAFOTBD?*

 

 

*what would a fan on the board do?

[Chez]

the sentence in question may only link specifically Heysel with violence, but the fact he mentions tragic Bradford and Hillsborough within an interview about using a bubble to prevent violent incidents creates its own links when none need to be created. Either he has been ****ed by keen editing or the guy is an idiot and needs to be taken to task on this.

[stevegrant]

the sentence in question may only link specifically Heysel with violence, but the fact he mentions tragic Bradford and Hillsborough within an interview about using a bubble to prevent violent incidents creates its own links when none need to be created. Either he has been ****ed by keen editing or the guy is an idiot and needs to be taken to task on this.

The scary thing about his choice of words is that, if he was given the same brief as I was, he will have taken time to consider his words and write them himself. I was asked to write 250 words explaining my opposition to the bubble, with Burrows doing the same from the opposite viewpoint, and my words would be used verbatim.

[aintforever]

Hillsborough was caused by poor policing, Bradford by decrepit old stadia - that bodes well for the 18th.

[um pahars]

In times like these it's fair to ask: WWAFOTBD?*

 

 

*what would a fan on the board do?

 

Serious subject on quite a few levels, so think your poor attempt at humour would be best suited to other threads

[Chez]

he therefore has just bandied around those two dreadful events within an article about preventing incidents through football hooliganism with an appalling lack of consideration, understanding and respect. With the fight for justice for the relatives of Hillsborough being heard in Westminster so recently you'd think the fool would appreciate the need to keep any mention of the event and hooliganism completely separate. As I said before, he must be a complete idiot and he needs to be taken to task on this. I have a great deal of respect for difficult job the police do, but where football supporters are concerned they seem to lose all perspective and just ride roughshod over fans. Hardly surprising with such a total clueless man at the helm. He may well of come from Manchester and understand the passion of the two sides there, but I seriously doubt he's travelled with either to watch games.

[Turkish]

Lets hope Burrows has the decency to at least explain and retract his comments as he seems to have p*ssed quite a few people off with this, me included. We all know how much he hates people being offended dont we. I fear not though.

Edited 5 December, 2011 by Turkish
wrong place wrong time

[JRM]

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php

 

FFS It won't let me register, and there's even a Hillsborough sub forum.

 

why won't it Dune? i work with a Liverpool fan who was there that day, in the leppings lane terrace but in one of the side pens so was not injured, mentioned this to him earlier and he was very critical , the justice for the 96 campaign is very active, and would more than likely send a letter to Mr Burrows letting them know their views

[aintforever]

Typical of the plod, starts of by saying what a "huge football fan" he is, then links Hillsborough and Bradford tragedies to football hooliganism.

 

Thick c*nt.

[Chez]

despite all the evidence to the contrary, do the police force in general still believe the disaster at Hillsborough had nothing to do with them?

[dune]

In times like these it's fair to ask: WWAFOTBD?*

 

 

*what would a fan on the board do?

 

Organise a quiz night obviously.

[aintforever]

In times like these it's fair to ask: WWAFOTBD?*

 

 

*what would a fan on the board do?

 

Help communicate the concerns of the club's customers?

[benjii]

This thread illustrates the appalling lack of literacy in this country.

 

Ps. The copper seems like a knob.

[um pahars]

despite all the evidence to the contrary, do the police force in general still believe the disaster at Hillsborough had nothing to do with them?

 

I think the recent thread in the Lounge illustrated that some football fans still think the same way as well. Problem is that as long as people like Burrows are allowed to spout this rubbish, then the myth will continue to be perpetuated. He needs to picked up on this ASAP.

[Orange]

Love the way Burrows tries to relate to the 'common man' talking about how much he loves 'terrace culture' and 'banter'.

Utter moron for linking Hillsborough etc to it.

[up and away]

Is PC Burrows saying the Scousers at Hillsborough died because of Scouse hooligans?

 

That's what it looks like to me.

 

We really do need to get this onto a LFC forum and ask them their views...

 

You have to be a total mong to read into that statement and get anywhere near that conclusion "We all too quickly forget the events of Hillsborough, Bradford and Stairway 13 and too readily deny the link between football violence and tragedy, as seen at Heysel." This clearly only relates tragedy and football violence in the case of Heysel. Trying to inflame matters on the Liverpool forum just adds such that I cannot understand your motives.

 

That aside, I cannot understand what Bradford and 13 had to do with policing, virtually irrelevant. Several howlers came out of Hillsborough that, even now some fans cannot grasp delays to the start of football games when siignificant amount of others are held up. This response from the police was a total cop out, where was our "bubble" against Millwall where it was decided to place risk upon the general public, rather than trained officers by holding back the Millwall fans in St Mary's. Basically they were unprepared that day and screwed up, but they cetainly are lining up their ducks now. I don't like this one bit and would not go to Fratton because of being held in for so long last time, with this looking like a ****fest in comparison with all the additional hassles.

 

I really have no issue with what the police are doing, we are paying for the idiots amongst us that have brought this about. The police could do this without infringing our civil liberties but the main cost would be born by others to which there is no jsutification, let alone the impact such an event has on the local community who are not even interested in the game. This is a practical and cheap solution to an old age problem that works, which we pay for with our civil liberties being reduced. What I don't accept is the sheite espoused by the police in trying to defend it as something else.

[Wilko]

Insensitive. Out of touch. Naive. Prat. He clearly knows little about the subject.

[Crab Lungs]

Organise a quiz night obviously.

 

 

Anyway, I think I'm going to leave this board now, proper. Moan, moan f()cking moan.. and it's now making me moan about the moaning. Best couple of years we've had in 15 odd years and we've still got irrational, moodswinging, wrist-slitting weirdos who complain about everything. Waaah, moss on the stadium, waaahhhhh car park prices, waaaaahhh I don't like the beer... it's no wonder Cortese would rather speak to people in a one-to-one basis as opposed to giving the floor to 300 dribbling sociopaths. Don't you think we had some bigger objectives to aim for other than lopping off a few clots of stadium support algae?

 

Yes, you're going by coach. You've known that for months now. Get over it. And while you're at it, even if this copper had said the right thing, I've no doubt he'd still have been wrong anyway. Weeks before we've had the same old people with the same old agendas salivating at his next statement.*

 

*And I shouldn't have to write a disclaimer, but I'm going to. That's not excusing what he said and I'm not disagreeing that going by coach isn't a bad idea, it is - I'm just keen to underline how f()cking boring it is listening to all this guff.

 

WWAFOTBD?

 

Bore me to f()cking tears.

 

That's me done I think. Adios.

Edited 5 December, 2011 by Crab Lungs

[Badger]

Love the way Burrows tries to relate to the 'common man' talking about how much he loves 'terrace culture' and 'banter'.*Utter moron ....

 

* except of course,when it is deemed to touch the sensitivities of benders ...even though they might not be in the stadium at the time.

[Alain Perrin]

* except of course,when it is deemed to touch the sensitivities of benders ...even though they might not be in the stadium at the time.

 

Absolutely agree. Come to think of it we don't have many blacks at SMS either - we should get a good old racist chant going next week when BLACKpool come here.

 

The police are damned if they do, damned if they don't on this and, if you really want someone to blame, blame the fence rattlers - the level of policing is based on cause and effect.

[Sour Mash]

Absolutely agree. Come to think of it we don't have many blacks at SMS either - we should get a good old racist chant going next week when BLACKpool come here.

 

The police are damned if they do, damned if they don't on this and, if you really want someone to blame, blame the fence rattlers - the level of policing is based on cause and effect.

Why because the massive police resources couldn't manage a handful of fans rattling a fence therefore we need to go to these extreme measures?

[JRM]

Absolutely agree. Come to think of it we don't have many blacks at SMS either - we should get a good old racist chant going next week when BLACKpool come here.

 

The police are damned if they do, damned if they don't on this and, if you really want someone to blame, blame the fence rattlers - the level of policing is based on cause and effect.

 

should we not be blaming those at Hillsborough and Bradford? i thought those were the examples why we need these measures, PC Burrows says so.

[Guan 2.0]

Absolutely agree. Come to think of it we don't have many blacks at SMS either - we should get a good old racist chant going next week when BLACKpool come here.

 

The police are damned if they do, damned if they don't on this and, if you really want someone to blame, blame the fence rattlers - the level of policing is based on cause and effect.

 

And thw would be rioters of Fratton of course. But seemingly it doesn't do to be anything but critical of the pol- sorry, the 'OB' and forget the rest of it.

[dune]

Did anyone else notice the copper with camcorder filming the front rows up at Donny? He literally stood there for the entire 90 minutes. Can't say i've ever noticed this before in a ground. I presume the Keepmoat doesn't have cctv.

[1976_Child]

What the fek does someone dropping a fag down through the gap in the floor boards at Bradford and football violence have in common?

 

delusional.

[1976_Child]

Did anyone else notice the copper with camcorder filming the front rows up at Donny? He literally stood there for the entire 90 minutes. Can't say i've ever noticed this before in a ground. I presume the Keepmoat doesn't have cctv.

 

happens at SMS from time to time. Why I have no respect for plod. Does more to stir up agro than if Mr Portsmouth Football Club parachuted into the middle of the Northam.

[Sour Mash]

Did anyone else notice the copper with camcorder filming the front rows up at Donny? He literally stood there for the entire 90 minutes. Can't say i've ever noticed this before in a ground. I presume the Keepmoat doesn't have cctv.

Yep. Absolute waste of time and money. See it now and again, were doing the same at Leicester off the top of my head. All it does it annoy and frustrate normal fans trying to watch their team.

[Toadhall Saint]

Gets my goat when the OB troll out the same crap in defence of the indefensible! Does this bubble continue in the ground eh? Cos thats where all of his reasons for the bubble happened. OB = Idiots in uniform and to be honest they couldn't detect s h i t on a blanket.

[Gemmel]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/steve-graves/hillsborough-bradford-and_b_1134891.html?ref=tw

 

 

Can't see it posted anywhere, but some journo has penned him an open letter

[Golden Balls]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/steve-graves/hillsborough-bradford-and_b_1134891.html?ref=tw

 

 

Can't see it posted anywhere, but some journo has penned him an open letter

 

Hope fame hungry Burrows actually reads this. I doubt it, and even if he did, I'm sure he'll just brush it under the carpet hoping it will go away

[stevegrant]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/steve-graves/hillsborough-bradford-and_b_1134891.html?ref=tw

 

 

Can't see it posted anywhere, but some journo has penned him an open letter

Good spot

[Orange]

Did anyone else notice the copper with camcorder filming the front rows up at Donny? He literally stood there for the entire 90 minutes. Can't say i've ever noticed this before in a ground. I presume the Keepmoat doesn't have cctv.

 

Yeah. Brighton at home i had a copper stood next to me for ages holding it right in my face.

I asked them at half time if they didn't think it was offensive, they said 'its nothing personal'. Well it f*cking is when your having it shoved in your face as if your a criminal.

[70's Mike]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/steve-graves/hillsborough-bradford-and_b_1134891.html?ref=tw

 

 

Can't see it posted anywhere, but some journo has penned him an open letter

 

needs to get into a national

[up and away]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/steve-graves/hillsborough-bradford-and_b_1134891.html?ref=tw

 

 

Can't see it posted anywhere, but some journo has penned him an open letter

 

This really is a very poor article. Anyone who fails to identify that crowd control and crowd safety are inextricably linked has missed the plot completely. Hillsborough was the catalyst that brought about the Taylor report and it's subsequent actions. A watershed in crowd safety and how football would be policed and regulated in the future. There were many disasters prior to Hillsborough that were never satisfactorily addressed, Hillsborough was the tipping point where every previous issue or future problem was considered and dealt with, following from the Taylor report.

 

Following Heysel the UK government set about eradicating hooliganism at football matches, following Hillsborough the UK government set about creating a safe environment to attend football. The two aspects of combating hooliganism and crowd safety are not always mutual, as in the case of restricting access to the pitch. Safety wise the access to the pitch is paramount to allow overspill for the public, which did so much damage at Hillsborough, Bradford, 13 and Heysel. Even though this meant it was far easier for fans to run onto the pitch and endanger players, officials and opposing fans. This is far from perfect to combat hooliganism so other measures were adopted to minimalise this compromise, as stewarding, confining opposing fans into a controllable area, backed up by draconian penalties for anyone just stepping onto the pitch unless their life is perceived to be in danger. I detest the bubble and cannot ever see subjecting myself to the whole procedure. That said, I just cannot see any logic in the argument against such a policy when you have idiots happy to behave in such a manner it becomes necessary. The other thing this bubble does is to minimalise the effect this has on the local community who just want to go about their normal business on a match day. The bubble is a cheap and effective way of policing football derbies that I can see no change until fans behave responsibly. There is no doubt that civil liberties suffer, but at the expense of safety that would require a big shift in the balance to consider changing.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Gets my goat when the OB troll out the same crap in defence of the indefensible! Does this bubble continue in the ground eh? Cos thats where all of his reasons for the bubble happened. OB = Idiots in uniform and to be honest they couldn't detect s h i t on a blanket.

 

I would imagine the bubble does still technically exist inside the ground as arn't there going to be 'strerile' areas inside Notarf Krap protecting the skates from us?

[um pahars]

as in the case of restricting access to the pitch. Safety wise the access to the pitch is paramount to allow overspill for the public, which did so much damage at Hillsborough, Bradford, 13 and Heysel.

 

 

 

changing.

 

How did it do so much damage at Ibrox and Valley Parade???

[70's Mike]

This really is a very poor article. Anyone who fails to identify that crowd control and crowd safety are inextricably linked has missed the plot completely. Hillsborough was the catalyst that brought about the Taylor report and it's subsequent actions. A watershed in crowd safety and how football would be policed and regulated in the future. There were many disasters prior to Hillsborough that were never satisfactorily addressed, Hillsborough was the tipping point where every previous issue or future problem was considered and dealt with, following from the Taylor report.

 

Following Heysel the UK government set about eradicating hooliganism at football matches, following Hillsborough the UK government set about creating a safe environment to attend football. The two aspects of combating hooliganism and crowd safety are not always mutual, as in the case of restricting access to the pitch. Safety wise the access to the pitch is paramount to allow overspill for the public, which did so much damage at Hillsborough, Bradford, 13 and Heysel. Even though this meant it was far easier for fans to run onto the pitch and endanger players, officials and opposing fans. This is far from perfect to combat hooliganism so other measures were adopted to minimalise this compromise, as stewarding, confining opposing fans into a controllable area, backed up by draconian penalties for anyone just stepping onto the pitch unless their life is perceived to be in danger. I detest the bubble and cannot ever see subjecting myself to the whole procedure. That said, I just cannot see any logic in the argument against such a policy when you have idiots happy to behave in such a manner it becomes necessary. The other thing this bubble does is to minimalise the effect this has on the local community who just want to go about their normal business on a match day. The bubble is a cheap and effective way of policing football derbies that I can see no change until fans behave responsibly. There is no doubt that civil liberties suffer, but at the expense of safety that would require a big shift in the balance to consider changing.

 

still not sure how the bubble would have stop any of the other events, in fact the bubble on Sunday will mean 3000 saints fans trying to get down Specks Lane and in through the 3 away turnstiles, that was bad enough last time when only about 1000 travelled by coach

[Wes Tender]

Technically, the 'and' meant they were separate clauses -and so only Heysel was mentioned in reference to football violence. The two statements were illustrations of why the the OB as a whole needs to be proactive and necessarily has different priorities to fans.

 

Either way, Burrows doesn't come across as the sharpest tool in the box -part of an elite that can't talk straight or entertain an original thought; but dutifully parrots cliches that make it impossible to have a proper conversation and just numb you into apathy.

 

 

Agreed. The man's a complete idiot. The whole thing is a massive over-reaction, a measure that penalises the majority of law-abiding citizens in order to police a few hotheads, who should be the focus of the action. It's a sledgehammer to crack a nut and tacitly admits that they are incapable of action against the minority of potential offenders. I would love to see somebody challenge this action through the courts on grounds of an abuse of human rights.

[100%Red&White]

As crap as the 'bubble' is, it's too late to change anything for us before Sunday so I'm happy to put my protestations on hold until after April. You just know all this complaining is going to work in the skates favour with the OB backing down and giving them a walk in the park to SMS.