Euro

[hypochondriac]

For me, this single issue will decide whether I continue to support Cameron or not. If he signs this treaty against the wishes of much of his party and the British public then that's it for me I am afraid.

[um pahars]

I've seen it already Um - I get to vote on it!

 

Before people post on the current crash and it's causes they should be made to watch this film!!!!

[hypochondriac]

Just watched the news. What angers me is that the pro Euro lot are a big reason why we are in this mess. The ynow deny the British people their say and push for further integration because to not do so would cause an economic disaster. But closer ties are what they wanted in the first place so they are just using scare tactics to get what they wanted originally. They caused this mess and so the choice is either take the pain from their stupidity and let countries keep their sovereignty or give them what they wanted through the backdoor. I know what I prefer. If it continues the way it is going, we will be looking at a European army and police force and being forced to join the Euro because there will be no alternative. It's so obvious and it totally stinks.

[Whitey Grandad]

Just watched the news. What angers me is that the pro Euro lot are a big reason why we are in this mess. The ynow deny the British people their say and push for further integration because to not do so would cause an economic disaster. But closer ties are what they wanted in the first place so they are just using scare tactics to get what they wanted originally. They caused this mess and so the choice is either take the pain from their stupidity and let countries keep their sovereignty or give them what they wanted through the backdoor. I know what I prefer. If it continues the way it is going, we will be looking at a European army and police force and being forced to join the Euro because there will be no alternative. It's so obvious and it totally stinks.

 

That would suit me.

[hypochondriac]

That would suit me.

 

But it's a move that polls have consistently shown is not what the British people want. Heck, even most of Cameron's party are not happy with that prospect. I certainly don't want European law trumping British law. The system would be open to so much abuse (and don't try and pretend it will be any different to the corruption that exists now.)

[solentstars]

i believe in our prime minister and he will defend our interests despite the backstabbers of the looney right trying to destroy the tory party.if the looney right don,t like it have the guts and defect to ukipfor their so called principles.god i thought the labour party of the 70s was bad when the marxist left hijacked the party but bill cash and nadine dorriss of this world our barking mad.

[hypochondriac]

i believe in our prime minister and he will defend our interests despite the backstabbers of the looney right trying to destroy the tory party.if the looney right don,t like it have the guts and defect to ukipfor their so called principles.god i thought the labour party of the 70s was bad when the marxist left hijacked the party but bill cash and nadine dorriss of this world our barking mad.

 

What specific policies about the 'Looney right' are you referring to? They looney right thought that the Euro was doomed to failure and they have been proven totally and utterly correct.

[Whitey Grandad]

But it's a move that polls have consistently shown is not what the British people want. Heck, even most of Cameron's party are not happy with that prospect. I certainly don't want European law trumping British law. The system would be open to so much abuse (and don't try and pretend it will be any different to the corruption that exists now.)

Let's not confuse the European Union with European Law. If we left the Union we would still be subject to many European Laws.

[hypochondriac]

Let's not confuse the European Union with European Law. If we left the Union we would still be subject to many European Laws.

 

And when European law trumps British Law and means that effectively Britain is no longer able to govern themselves? Is that acceptable to you? I would consider that a very dangerous development but make no mistake that is surely the end game.

[solentstars]

What specific policies about the 'Looney right' are you referring to? They looney right thought that the Euro was doomed to failure and they have been proven totally and utterly correct.

has far has i know the euro is still around or did i miss the return of the german and french currencys and i expect it will still be around in the future so how are they right. i,ve just seen that right wing nutter nadine dorriss on newsnight slapped down bythatcherite and former defence and Foreign Secretary malcolm rifkind for misinformation and it showed she did not have a clue what she was talking about,

[solentstars]

And when European law trumps British Law and means that effectively Britain is no longer able to govern themselves? Is that acceptable to you? I would consider that a very dangerous development but make no mistake that is surely the end game.

you are right and we would be subject to europeon free trade agreement like norway etc but have no say in the making of the rules.

[hypochondriac]

has far has i know the euro is still around or did i miss the return of the german and french currencys and i expect it will still be around in the future so how are they right. i,ve just seen that right wing nutter nadine dorriss on newsnight slapped down bythatcherite and former defence and Foreign Secretary malcolm rifkind for misinformation and it showed she did not have a clue what she was talking about,

 

The Euro in its current form is a failure. When the Euro was released, those who said 'it won't work like this' were called things like 'the looney right.' The Euro will only really work when we have a United States of Europe situation, something that I hope to never see in my lifetime. Again, what specifically is it that you are opposed to? What have they said that is so completely wrong and worthy of ridicule?

[hypochondriac]

you are right and we would be subject to europeon free trade agreement like norway etc but have no say in the making of the rules.

 

And so in your mind we are being forced into this because we have no other choice? I don't believe that, we have plenty of other options.

[solentstars]

Let's not confuse the European Union with European Law. If we left the Union we would still be subject to many European Laws.

you are right and we would be subject to europeon free trade agreement like norway etc but have no say in the making of the rules.

[Whitey Grandad]

And when European law trumps British Law and means that effectively Britain is no longer able to govern themselves? Is that acceptable to you? I would consider that a very dangerous development but make no mistake that is surely the end game.

 

I wasn't saying that I agree with it, but the ECHR would still be there because 'we' signed up to it.

[hypochondriac]

I wasn't saying that I agree with it, but the ECHR would still be there because 'we' signed up to it.

 

I realise that. The situation whilst not perfect would be infinitely preferable to having all of our laws dictated to us by brussels. Yes some of our laws are enforced by Europe, but not all.

[solentstars]

The Euro in its current form is a failure. When the Euro was released, those who said 'it won't work like this' were called things like 'the looney right.' The Euro will only really work when we have a United States of Europe situation, something that I hope to never see in my lifetime. Again, what specifically is it that you are opposed to? What have they said that is so completely wrong and worthy of ridicule?

because i heard nonsence like this from the marxist left and similiar scare storys in the 1970s when the likes of scargill and ben and skinner wanted us out and were proved wrong. i am glad we did not join the euro but do not believe we would have much influence with negotiationing trade agreements with the worlds biggest tradeing blocks has a small island if we left.in my lifetime i have not noticed any difference to before we joined except i have seen the country become alot richer.

[dune]

I agree with Max King (strategist at Investec):

 

To achieve significant upside, investors need to see a cure of the cancer eating away at the global financial system - the eurozone crisis. Without growth, which a lack of competiveness in Southern Europe makes impossible, there can be no escape from the fiscal, debt and banking crisis engulfing the region.

We believe this can only end one way - with at least six countries leaving the eurozone. Provided that central banks provide the liquidity to support their banks, which will inevitably face major losses, this should have the same consequences as previous break-ups of unsustainable malfunctioning currency unions: it will pave the way for economic recovery and higher equity markets.

We would see a partial euro break-up as potentially very positive, providing a signal to establish a more positive view on equities. In our view, we are almost at crunch point.

 

 

http://www.investmentweek.co.uk/investment-week/opinion/2105656/august-markets-false-warning

 

Don't make the mistake of believing politicians (or know-it-all teenagers on TSW).

[dune]

i believe in our prime minister and he will defend our interests despite the backstabbers of the looney right trying to destroy the tory party.if the looney right don,t like it have the guts and defect to ukipfor their so called principles.god i thought the labour party of the 70s was bad when the marxist left hijacked the party but bill cash and nadine dorriss of this world our barking mad.

 

Is barking mad the new term to describe people who have consistently been proved right?

[dune]

My personal strategy is to invest in corporate bonds as banks will now be pre-empting the eurozone collapse and will start stockpiling cash again, and once the equity markets drop significantly (ftse 100 circa 4000) get back in to take advantage of the boom that will be given to countries freed from the shackles of a strong Euro.