Golden Balls Posted 8 December, 2011 Share Posted 8 December, 2011 As I live in Fratton, and am going to the game (planning on getting the train to Soton early Sunday morning) I wonder how likely it is that if I explain to the police/stewards after the game where I live, they'll let me walk the 5 minutes home I was thinking perhaps "my pregnant girlfriend has gone into labour, here is my drivers licence to prove my address, can I go home now please?". Although not sure it will be worth the risk if "spotted" leaving the Saints pack by the locals!! Having to get the bubble bus back to Soton, then the train back to Pompey after the game is gonna be an effort if we don't win! Not sure why there is 5 pages on the possibility that Saints would not sell out this game by the way! Some pessimistic or naive people out there! My mate is a pompey fan and last time we played them he was living in Bedford Place. He went out and stayed in Portsmouth the night before, got the train with the rest of their fans. Then on the way back to the station told a copper he lived in Bedford Place and they let him out. I know it's not a bubble but seemed very easy. He doesn't look at all messy so I guess that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 8 December, 2011 Share Posted 8 December, 2011 My mate is a pompey fan You're mates with a skate? They shouldn't even be allowed into this city. For you to be friends with one is ****ing shocking you should hang your head in shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 It will be interesting to see exactly how they plan on herding everyone back on the same buses after the match when there's no incentive for them to use them (other than an easy trip back to a part of Southampton/Bursledon/Winchester they don't really want to go to) and there won't be any tickets left (bus tickets given in to get match ticket, match ticket given in to get into ground) for people to get back onto the bus with anyway... I guess they're assuming that everyone in the ground will want to get back on the bus and that everyone getting on the bus was in the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 It will be interesting to see exactly how they plan on herding everyone back on the same buses after the match when there's no incentive for them to use them (other than an easy trip back to a part of Southampton/Bursledon/Winchester they don't really want to go to) and there won't be any tickets left (bus tickets given in to get match ticket, match ticket given in to get into ground) for people to get back onto the bus with anyway... I guess they're assuming that everyone in the ground will want to get back on the bus and that everyone getting on the bus was in the ground. I was thinking that. I reckon after the game everyone will just pile back on the buses on a first come first served basis with their mates, can't see them being that tightly managed after the game as long as the buses aren't too crowded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prideofthesouth Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 It will be interesting to see exactly how they plan on herding everyone back on the same buses after the match when there's no incentive for them to use them (other than an easy trip back to a part of Southampton/Bursledon/Winchester they don't really want to go to) and there won't be any tickets left (bus tickets given in to get match ticket, match ticket given in to get into ground) for people to get back onto the bus with anyway... I guess they're assuming that everyone in the ground will want to get back on the bus and that everyone getting on the bus was in the ground. The fact that the metal walls will prevent anyone from actually going anywhere except for where the bus is will probably ensure that everyone goes back on the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Although not sure it will be worth the risk if "spotted" leaving the Saints pack by the locals!! with the Police wall at one end, leaving the pack might be more obvious than previous years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 The fact that the metal walls will prevent anyone from actually going anywhere except for where the bus is will probably ensure that everyone goes back on the bus. http://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/LatestNews/news/Pompey-v-Southampton-Travel-Advisory-2777.aspx looking at the road closure map I think leaving the main group is going to be impossible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 http://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/LatestNews/news/Pompey-v-Southampton-Travel-Advisory-2777.aspx looking at the road closure map I think leaving the main group is going to be impossible you could always trying to ring the bell on the bus, the driver might slip into auto mode and pull over at the next stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 I was thinking that. I reckon after the game everyone will just pile back on the buses on a first come first served basis with their mates, can't see them being that tightly managed after the game as long as the buses aren't too crowded. will definitely be a free for all after the game, they won't have bus tickets to check anymore so will just herd people on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 there is going to be a free for all tomorrow after the Blackpool game with people desperate for information about their tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Hampshire Constabulary FAQ; Operation Delphin Portsmouth v Southampton football match Sunday, December 18, 2011 Frequently Asked Questions * Together with the football clubs, we will keep supporters informed of all the latest news and information on travel and transport ahead of the Portsmouth v Southampton match on Sunday, December 18, 2011. To ensure the safety of all those attending, all away fans will be required to travel to Fratton Park by coach for this fixture and the return fixture in April 2012. Full details of transport arrangements are available from the clubs and will be sent out on a leaflet accompanying the tickets when you receive them. On this page you will find answers to questions you may have relating to these arrangements, which we hope you will find useful and will keep you well informed ahead of this great sporting fixture. Q. Do all Saints fans have to travel by coach? A: Yes, it is a condition of sale of the ticket. The only exemption from these arrangements is for people with disabilities, who should contact their club to make arrangements as per usual games. Q: Even if I’m coming from the other side of Portsmouth/Isle of Wight/out of county, do I still have to go to the coach pick-up points to travel to Fratton Park? A: Yes, you do. All away supporters, with the exception detailed above, must travel by coach from one of the designated coach pick-up points at St Mary’s Stadium, Bursledon Park & Ride or Winchester City Centre (by the statue of the ‘man on the horse’). Q: I like to enjoy a drink at the match. Will there be drink at the ground? Can I bring it with me? A: No, I’m afraid you can’t. The logistics of Fratton Park are such that there are no bars at the away supporters end, but there will be plenty of access to soft drink, hot drinks and fast food concessions. It is illegal to carry or consume alcohol on a coach to a designated football match. This is prohibited under the terms of the Football Spectators Act 1989. Q: Under what legislation are you enforcing these conditions? A: The clubs can impose any reasonable conditions of entry – fans purchasing tickets are always subject to conditions of entry, and the travel conditions for the derby matches are one of them. We have a common law duty to protect the public. If there is an assessed risk of disorder or risk to public safety, then the police have a duty to put in place appropriate measures and safeguards to prevent a breach of the peace and protect the public. Q: Is there not a basic human right to freedom of movement? A: There is, but it can be restricted where it is assessed that there is a risk to others or likely to be a breach of the peace. This assessment has to be based on intelligence and/or a history that suggests that this is likely. Unfortunately, previous derby matches show that this is the case. These measures are proportionate and the least intrusive viable option. Fans do have a choice – they can choose whether to attend and accept the travel conditions, or choose not to attend. These conditions balance of the rights and freedoms of football fans against the wider rights of all fans, stewards, police and non-football attending public to not be exposed to the vile behaviour and violence that has blighted previous derbies. Q: Are you setting a precedent for all other matches? A: No. This local derby currently presents our only significant risk of serious disorder. We will review the success – or otherwise – of this tactic and its continued appropriateness on a match-by-match basis. This is purely about the safety of fans, stewards, police and the public, and is a proportionate measure to deny opportunity to the few intent on causing and generating disorder. Q: Do these travel conditions apply to the return fixture at St Mary’s next April? Yes, the same conditions of entry will apply, and all away fans will have to travel by designated coaches. Q: Surely, by doing this, you’re still not stopping all of those intent on causing trouble from travelling to the ground? People can still go and cause trouble, can’t they? A: No, but what it does allow us to do is to focus our resources on protecting the convoy and create a sterile area to negate the risk of opposing fans being able to get at each other. We will have extra officers, football intelligence officers and spotters specifically tasked with disrupting any such individual who may still come to Portsmouth to try and cause trouble. By having this sterile area and escorted coach travel, we are providing the least intrusive restriction which allows away fans to safely enter and exit the ground. Instead of spreading our resources thinly across the city to try and pick up groups coming in from all over the place, we can actually concentrate our officers on dealing with and safeguarding football fans and public alike in one place. Q: Could you not just employ a hold-back like you have at other games? A: Hold-backs are far more intrusive and restrictive on freedom of movement, you have no choice as to whether you adhere to them or not. With the coach travel option, you are still able to make an informed choice to attend or not. Hold-backs have not always been successful, there have been some historic failures – notably in 2004 at Fratton Park where large numbers used the holdback area as a place to gather and try to attack away fans. The disorder in 2010 outside St Mary’s Stadium did not occur because Portsmouth fans were let out in to the north car park. It occurred because a number of fans tried to breach the sterile area in Britannia Road to get to the Pompey fans. Q: If people refuse to go home from the game on the coaches, will they be arrested? A: The away supporters exiting the ground will be expected to get on the coaches, as per the conditions of their match ticket. If there are specific individual reasons why a person cannot go on a coach, then those will be considered on a case-by-case basis. If you have a specific reason why you cannot travel home by coach, there will be a clearly defined supervisor within the sterile area inside the ground who you can speak to, and that officer will be assess the essential nature of the request on a case-by-case basis.* These travel arrangements are about safety of both the away supporters and home supporters, to avoid them coming into contact with those intent on causing disorder. Anyone deliberately intent on breaking the sterile area to engage in disorder will be arrested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Who in their right minds is prepared to put up with all the hassle of getting there, all the abuse that will be aimed at us all afternoon and the strong likelihood of rocks and the like chucked at us on the way out and home. That hardly qualifies for pleasurable entertainment. Seems quite a lot of the decent away support have similar concerns - this one is best left to the knuckleheads who just want to get ****ed and truncheoned for kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Who in their right minds is prepared to put up with all the hassle of getting there, all the abuse that will be aimed at us all afternoon and the strong likelihood of rocks and the like chucked at us on the way out and home. That hardly qualifies for pleasurable entertainment. Seems quite a lot of the decent away support have similar concerns - this one is best left to the knuckleheads who just want to get ****ed and truncheoned for kicks. I presume the Gooners are on Sky that afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 December, 2011 Share Posted 10 December, 2011 Who in their right minds is prepared to put up with all the hassle of getting there, all the abuse that will be aimed at us all afternoon and the strong likelihood of rocks and the like chucked at us on the way out and home. That hardly qualifies for pleasurable entertainment. Seems quite a lot of the decent away support have similar concerns - this one is best left to the knuckleheads who just want to get ****ed and truncheoned for kicks. The Police won't truncheon a single Saint, there won't be any need. Besides, if we win Moran-style then those that attended will have a memory that will stay with them for ever. I want to see the faces of those skates when that net ripples... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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