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NA complaining that his team should not have let the goal be scored is not the point. To win this game Saints had to score and they didn't. Saying away form needs to improve is STBO (stating the bleeding obvious) but saying it is not enough. They have to do it and starting straight away. Poor performances recently have suggested this is coming and I'm not convinced that NA knows what to do about it, so Nigel - get out there and pick the targets to bring in i8n January. It is only 4 weeks away and we need at least 3 first choice quality players.

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NA complaining that his team should not have let the goal be scored is not the point. To win this game Saints had to score and they didn't. Saying away form needs to improve is STBO (stating the bleeding obvious) but saying it is not enough. They have to do it and starting straight away. Poor performances recently have suggested this is coming and I'm not convinced that NA knows what to do about it, so Nigel - get out there and pick the targets to bring in i8n January. It is only 4 weeks away and we need at least 3 first choice quality players.
Agree Prof. Words are just words, actions speak louder! But we have been poor as of late, yes we've won but not that convincingly which is starting to get worrying!!
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Mr Adkins' true ability is now going to be tested and i suspect he will come under the microscope a tad more by those who put him on such a high pedastool.

 

It's all very well banging on in soundbites but that means very little in the grand scheme of things.

 

The January transfer window may well prove very important,as of yet i remain to be convinced of his abilitys in this area.

Some will go on about Cork.......lets just look at some of those aquisitions that have struggled to ignite the imagination...Bignall,forte and De ridder seems to have found his level after all the excitement of his arrival.

 

Nigel is very close to being a quality manager/coach...but there are still question marks and these need highlighting on occasions.

I'm sure NA is this man to take us further,he has done remarkably well,although much of what is in place was here prior to his arrival.

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Mr Adkins' true ability is now going to be tested and i suspect he will come under the microscope a tad more by those who put him on such a high pedastool.

 

It's all very well banging on in soundbites but that means very little in the grand scheme of things.

 

The January transfer window may well prove very important,as of yet i remain to be convinced of his abilitys in this area.

Some will go on about Cork.......lets just look at some of those aquisitions that have struggled to ignite the imagination...Bignall,forte and De ridder seems to have found his level after all the excitement of his arrival.

 

Nigel is very close to being a quality manager/coach...but there are still question marks and these need highlighting on occasions.

I'm sure NA is this man to take us further,he has done remarkably well,although much of what is in place was here prior to his arrival.

 

A fair comment. I think he is still learning at a much bigger club than S****horpe. He has done a brilliant job on a tight budget we cannot expect too much from him this season and should stick with him and support him.

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Meh, honest enough. We DO need to improve befoe the Skate game though. I'm ignoring the fact it's them, 3 away defeats on the bounce would be unthinkable.

 

IMHO, Away form will be the deciding factor come the end of the season, and at the moment, Saints have the worst return of the current Top Five

Saints 12 points

WHU 23

Boro 20

Cardiff 14

Leeds 17

 

St Mary's is a Fortress ATM, but the law of averages say that we will drop some points at home sometime

 

NA has done wonders for us, but I do question his away tactics. The points return should tell him that he's got it wrong somewhere along the line

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What a bunch of bedwetters. We are top of the league in our first season FFS!!
Sorry but no! I have never criticized NA, but our away form is putting question marks over his abilities.Till he can rectify this, he will have his detractors i'm afraid. We need to get away results to stay at or near the top. As home results will not be enough on their own!!!
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NA complaining that his team should not have let the goal be scored is not the point. To win this game Saints had to score and they didn't. Saying away form needs to improve is stating the bleeding obvious

 

Nails on the head old boy! It is all too often the case that incurable optimists are always at a loss to know what to do when events turn against them. Same in any business and usually leads to their downfall. After all anybody can manage the good times.

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our away form is adding tremendous pressure to our home games. It said on Solent that 3of the next 4 are at home. Can we expect 9 points from those home games ? i think not especially if RL is not fit. The lack of back up for RL has been obvious for over a year or so, nobody at the club seems to have tried to rectify. Yes ther have been rumours that we are after forwards but we have failed to gett one in.The loss of Chaplow and RL is telling and fans at other clubs have been scoffed at when they have stated we woud falter hwen injuries took their toll.

It is only a defeat but BC was bad enough to not learn the lessons of that game is a bit worrying

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Sorry but no! I have never criticized NA, but our away form is putting question marks over his abilities

 

It's putting question marks over his abilities to win EVERY SINGLE GAME! Panic!

 

The fact is our squad are overperforming, thanks to NA. This has raised expectations because people are idiots and now those people are questioning him despite the fact that he has taken us to a comfortable position at the top of the league, when in reality we should be nowhere near that.

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Here's part of the problem "I was excited about the prospect of Guly being up front alongside Morgan Schneiderlin" - why? someone who's scored 2 goals in 4 years!? I don't understand the thinking behind that

 

It's because they're technically fantastic players - and potentially the link up and skill between them could be fantastic to watch. It didn't come off as well as we'd hoped, but to be honest we had more of a threat with those 2 than we did in the 2nd half.

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It's putting question marks over his abilities to win EVERY SINGLE GAME! Panic!

 

The fact is our squad are overperforming, thanks to NA. This has raised expectations because people are idiots and now those people are questioning him despite the fact that he has taken us to a comfortable position at the top of the league, when in reality we should be nowhere near that.

I have no doubt NA is the right manager to lead us, but the away form issue is crux of matter. To answer WC's post he tried the same tatics against BC they did not work, so hey they might work for the next game Not! He even admitted so in his summary i quote ""We put Steve De Ridder up front with Guly to be a front two and then all of a sudden get Adam Lallana in the pocket - we did that for ten minutes, haven't scored and reverted back to where we were" Why! if it gave you more options, why abandon it after 10 mins. Not every team can score in 10 mins FFS! Back to your post B the B. I dont think were overperforming we have a good mix of NPC and L1 players that have a good team spirit, because were struggerling against the lower sides more, has not been overlooked by most when comparing it with our L1 seasons! We may need to grind out results sometimes, rather than play pretty football.
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It's because they're technically fantastic players - and potentially the link up and skill between them could be fantastic to watch. It didn't come off as well as we'd hoped, but to be honest we had more of a threat with those 2 than we did in the 2nd half.

 

And we should have left it that way at least until 60 odd minutes or so,I think a lot of fans are deluding themselves about De Ridder, I've the advantage of having seen him in both Belgian and Dutch football and he just ain't that good. He rushes around a lot but against decent defenders,well I don't think he'll even last the season as a first team contender. You all need to stop making this player some sort of demi-god just because he's a bit of a wag on the old social networks.

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Oh noes. His win rate is only 67%. Im very happy with the 33% of games we lose being away from home, as, being a fairweather supporter, it means I dont have to watch tiresome losses at home.

 

I don't doubt that wins at home against teams like Hull knock the stuffing out of us a bit, the players aren't robots.Idem West Ham, great win at Boro but they seem to have been running on empty in the second half yesterday as well.You have to face the fact that with squads of 20 or so realistic Championship players (cos I don't count the Dicksons and Fortes) for a 46 game season with those feck stupid international breaks compacting those games into a 32 week or so period teams are going to have peaks and troughs. You win a toughie,you lose an easy one simply because you've lost players through injury and the others are sh*gged out.Expect to see us revived after a whole week's break, I hope the management give them a bit of time off this week.Now when rivals start bringing in Prem loans who've played about zero games this season so far against our players who have 20+ on the counter the effect is easily seen.

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I don't doubt that wins at home against teams like Hull knock the stuffing out of us a bit, the players aren't robots.Idem West Ham, great win at Boro but they seem to have been running on empty in the second half yesterday as well.You have to face the fact that with squads of 20 or so realistic Championship players (cos I don't count the Dicksons and Fortes) for a 46 game season with those feck stupid international breaks compacting those games into a 32 week or so period teams are going to have peaks and troughs. You win a toughie,you lose an easy one simply because you've lost players through injury and the others are sh*gged out.Expect to see us revived after a whole week's break, I hope the management give them a bit of time off this week.Now when rivals start bringing in Prem loans who've played about zero games this season so far against our players who have 20+ on the counter the effect is easily seen.
I agree WC, but dont you think if you play a certain way, and a player gets injured AKA lambert. You should have a simular style / better substitute waiting, Because we havent!! Guly/ Barnard just dont fit that mould at all!!!
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I agree WC, but dont you think if you play a certain way, and a player gets injured AKA lambert. You should have a simular style / better substitute waiting, Because we havent!! Guly/ Barnard just dont fit that mould at all!!!

 

Yes I would agree with that certainly, i think I made some fairly hefty comments about the depth of the strike force when we

sent out such a poor side against Palarse.Now I'm not writing Barnard off but let's be honest against a CB of the quality of Beye he's going to get absolutely sod all, Beye eats journeymen like him up for elevenses,cos Beye well he's a bloody good player, better than any of our CBs as I've said elsewhere. Guly is dangerous but he seems to struggle with the offside trap and everybody knows what I think about De Ridder.So yes we've nothing in reserve and nothing coming through the ranks,don't think that's Nigel's fault though, he's been loyal to Barney and duped into having De Ridder.If only we had something to fall back on in the nebulous 'development squad' because there all I see is players who are nearly as old as some of the lads in the first eleven who are just a few months older and who have 100+ first team games on the counter.

But as Pilchards says elsewhere I think NC is a bit of a Scrooge on the transfer fee and wage bill front,we've wasted money that should have gone to boosting our strike force and the idea of 10 hom grown players isn't materialising, neither is it likely to.

Look at our side yesterday, one of the famous academies in football and yet yesterday we had 10 bought in players out of 11.

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Yes I would agree with that certainly, i think I made some fairly hefty comments about the depth of the strike force when we

sent out such a poor side against Palarse.Now I'm not writing Barnard off but let's be honest against a CB of the quality of Beye he's going to get absolutely sod all, Beye eats journeymen like him up for elevenses,cos Beye well he's a bloody good player, better than any of our CBs as I've said elsewhere. Guly is dangerous but he seems to struggle with the offside trap and everybody knows what I think about De Ridder.So yes we've nothing in reserve and nothing coming through the ranks,don't think that's Nigel's fault though, he's been loyal to Barney and duped into having De Ridder.If only we had something to fall back on in the nebulous 'development squad' because there all I see is players who are nearly as old as some of the lads in the first eleven who are just a few months older and who have 100+ first team games on the counter.

But as Pilchards says elsewhere I think NC is a bit of a Scrooge on the transfer fee and wage bill front,we've wasted money that should have gone to boosting our strike force and the idea of 10 hom grown players isn't materialising, neither is it likely to.

Look at our side yesterday, one of the famous academies in football and yet yesterday we had 10 bought in players out of 11.

I'd say we need 2 strikers, one in the Lambert mould. And one pacey striker is a must!!!
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It's putting question marks over his abilities to win EVERY SINGLE GAME! Panic!

 

The fact is our squad are overperforming, thanks to NA. This has raised expectations because people are idiots and now those people are questioning him despite the fact that he has taken us to a comfortable position at the top of the league, when in reality we should be nowhere near that.

 

I have no doubt NA is the right manager to lead us, but the away form issue is crux of matter. To answer WC's post he tried the same tatics against BC they did not work, so hey they might work for the next game Not! He even admitted so in his summary i quote ""We put Steve De Ridder up front with Guly to be a front two and then all of a sudden get Adam Lallana in the pocket - we did that for ten minutes, haven't scored and reverted back to where we were" Why! if it gave you more options, why abandon it after 10 mins. Not every team can score in 10 mins FFS! Back to your post B the B. I dont think were overperforming we have a good mix of NPC and L1 players that have a good team spirit, because were struggerling against the lower sides more, has not been overlooked by most when comparing it with our L1 seasons! We may need to grind out results sometimes, rather than play pretty football.

 

We have been over performing, that's why we have all been gob smacked by the quality of the passing football to open things up. We are more surprised than opposition fans as to how we have been playing, it just came out of the blue from the start. At first it looked like the addition of Cork had brought all this about, but that has been levelled now. I didn't see this fall coming, but it's well and truly here and we are all wondering when we will come out the other side, hopefully soon.

 

Just how can the away form be the crux of the issue, when you have won 30 points at home against 12 on the road? We are just off form at the present with a couple of injuries that are costing us. Adkins and the players are trying, but it is just not there at the present and we will have to be patient for all to return. One common point I would look at with the Bristol and Doncaster games was that we hyped ourselves up too much because of everything we had been doing well. If we had played for the draw in those games I could easily see us coming out with 2-3 points, but Adkins was prepared to risk 1 point for 3 on both occasions. I see nothing wrong with that given our previous, but we just have to accept that we don't have players on form or available at the present. These things will happen and you can do the best with what you have left and it's still not going to be good enough. Doncaster look the worst team in this league and by comparison just shows how far we are off the pace at the moment.

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I don't doubt that wins at home against teams like Hull knock the stuffing out of us a bit, the players aren't robots.Idem West Ham, great win at Boro but they seem to have been running on empty in the second half yesterday as well.You have to face the fact that with squads of 20 or so realistic Championship players (cos I don't count the Dicksons and Fortes) for a 46 game season with those feck stupid international breaks compacting those games into a 32 week or so period teams are going to have peaks and troughs. You win a toughie,you lose an easy one simply because you've lost players through injury and the others are sh*gged out.Expect to see us revived after a whole week's break, I hope the management give them a bit of time off this week.Now when rivals start bringing in Prem loans who've played about zero games this season so far against our players who have 20+ on the counter the effect is easily seen.

 

Spot on. I couldn't agree more. I think you have put into words what I was thinking.

 

I would just like to see a bit more experimentation. Dickson hasn't been given a chance at this level. I remember he came on last season in Adkins second game in charge against Colchester and made us look a lot brighter. CHDAJYU ?? How about the youngsters?? War Prowse apparently played well at Palarse. Could it be worth throwing him into the mix for a game or two??

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I agree WC, but dont you think if you play a certain way, and a player gets injured AKA lambert. You should have a simular style / better substitute waiting, Because we havent!! Guly/ Barnard just dont fit that mould at all!!!

 

My take is if you play in a certain way due to a specific player (Lambert, in our case) you should also be able to adapt into other styles of play when he isn't available. There is only one Rickie Lambert, but many ways of playing football. Instead of trying to find Rickie Lambert the second, shouldn't we be trying to find a style that suits our other attacking options and gets the best out of them?

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My take is if you play in a certain way due to a specific player (Lambert, in our case) you should also be able to adapt into other styles of play when he isn't available. There is only one Rickie Lambert, but many ways of playing football. Instead of trying to find Rickie Lambert the second, shouldn't we be trying to find a style that suits our other attacking options and gets the best out of them?
Yes Rob i agree. Why does NA think he can get Guly/Barnard to do that job when they clearly cannot, I would like to have a pace option. As thats what we clearly lack at the mo!
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It's putting question marks over his abilities to win EVERY SINGLE GAME! Panic!

 

The fact is our squad are overperforming, thanks to NA. This has raised expectations because people are idiots and now those people are questioning him despite the fact that he has taken us to a comfortable position at the top of the league, when in reality we should be nowhere near that.

 

"I don't just expect to be promoted this year, I want us to be champions".

 

 

Car to name the "idiot" who said this in September? I'd daresay that person does not think the current squad is "overperfoming" at all - he'd say we are where he'd expect us to be.

 

The only "idiots" in the forum here are the ones desperately trying to reposition outselves as plucky little overacheiving underdogs where its the taking part that counts and fingers crossed lets scrape tenth wouldn't that be marvellous.

 

We're here to win the league so "in reality" we should be precisely where we are.

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Puncheon would solve this current dilemma only real Adkins **** up so far. Too late for punch to save our away form?

 

Trust the lobotomy is going well? If not not don't worrry you won't rememeber a thing soo.............................

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Puncheon would solve this current dilemma only real Adkins **** up so far. Too late for punch to save our away form?

 

If the away league games I've been to are anything to go by (Cardiff, Derby, Burnley, Coventry, Barnsley) our problem away from home has been more of a general attitude problem, rather than missing tallent in our team. Burnley and Cardiff were almost identical, we just plane didn't turn up for 70 minutes. Plenty of tallent on the pitch, but nobody seemed to get in gear. Derby and Barnsley we played better and created chances, but really didn't kill them off when we should have. Coventry we did the hard work first half, then switched off for a good 30 minutes after the break.

 

There were a couple of wins in that lot and maybe I'm being a bit too picky, but none of those were by any means comprehensive performances. If we go to West Ham, Boro or Leeds and play like we did in ANY of those games, we wont win. It's not about having better players (although we badly need someone to cover for/compete with/completement Lambert) it's about getting the right attitude on the road.

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Not too encouraged by Adkin's hint that the way to solve the away form is to play more defensively away from home.

Steve Bruce (of blessed memory) is quoted as saying that a team is only as good as its strikers. That makes us good when we have Lambert and Connolly in the side in which case we need two more front players of equal quality.

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ffs!! moaning bunch on here. have a word with yourselves. We are top, not by fluke or playing ****e, this after finishing 2nd last season. We have just equalled Liverpools record of most consecutive home wins and already the wrist slitters are out. Yes we need to pick up more points away from home and I trust NA to sort it. Almost as funny as a "texter" on solent saturday evening who said..."Nigel is clueless and a useless manager, NA out and Bruce in!"

 

In Nigel we trust

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Not too encouraged by Adkin's hint that the way to solve the away form is to play more defensively away from home.

Steve Bruce (of blessed memory) is quoted as saying that a team is only as good as its strikers. That makes us good when we have Lambert and Connolly in the side in which case we need two more front players of equal quality.

 

and where is he now?

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