norwaysaint Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 A 1-0 away loss. In my opinion saints season has collapsed and Adkins has lost the plot entirely. We should never play any two of Schneiderlin, Hammond, Guly or Cork at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 It amazes me that people think he is an astute tactical manager. The team lacks pace up front,nothing is done. Team very vulnerable to being caught on the break, nothing is done. De Ridder, impact player, crap when starting,Guly,luxury player we cant really afford away from home. Been short of a striker,evident to everyone, nothing done. Opponents do their " homework " on us but do Saints bother on them, I do wonder sometimes. Yeah just how does a tactical astute manager, manage to take a newly promoted team to the top of the Championship ??? Rolly eyes smilie ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 A 1-0 away loss. In my opinion saints season has collapsed and Adkins has lost the plot entirely. We should never play any two of Schneiderlin, Hammond, Guly or Cork at the same time. Ooooooooooooooooooookay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 A 1-0 away loss. In my opinion saints season has collapsed and Adkins has lost the plot entirely. We should never play any two of Schneiderlin, Hammond, Guly or Cork at the same time. You have won the 'Wrist slasher of the day' post! Congratulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 A 1-0 away loss. In my opinion saints season has collapsed and Adkins has lost the plot entirely. We should never play any two of Schneiderlin, Hammond, Guly or Cork at the same time. Are you for real ???????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigersaint Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 Two away defeats on the trot, needs to addressed, get it right and the players pumped up for the next away match.... Hopefully this will mean 3 points away at Pompey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 A 1-0 away loss. In my opinion saints season has collapsed and Adkins has lost the plot entirely. We should never play any two of Schneiderlin, Hammond, Guly or Cork at the same time. Good job you don't support West Ham...they lost at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffo Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 Typical Saints. Keeping it real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 (edited) Alps we have a blip these things happen I accept that along with the warts what I don't want is little scroats like you spouting your negative bile constantly on each thread . You were even ultra negative before the game kicked off . So it's you that has the problem not me . Okay pal Edited 3 December, 2011 by Viking Warrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 A 1-0 away loss. In my opinion saints season has collapsed and Adkins has lost the plot entirely. We should never play any two of Schneiderlin, Hammond, Guly or Cork at the same time. I'm sure our season had collapsed when we lost to Walsall away last season. Look where we are now. Enough said. (although our away form does need to improve...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 A 1-0 away loss. In my opinion saints season has collapsed and Adkins has lost the plot entirely. We should never play any two of Schneiderlin, Hammond, Guly or Cork at the same time. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 We are just playing poorly at the present, simple as that. I don't know what happened during the International break, but something has gone wrong. Adkins said that was the best ever he had seen from Saints during that training period, I get the feeling they overdid things and left it all on the training ground. I can't understand how they can go from the best in training to the worst in the league, something does not add up. Adkins has got so much right I am not going to argue with him about this one. Barnard previously looked so far off the pace, it's hardly a surprise he never got a start. Although it was not my idea for the starting line up, we created and did not concede. So can't really complain about that first half. Adkins took a concious decision to go for the 3 points in the second half and we got caught. Not my personal choice for both halves, but Adkins decisions do make sense. We can rue missing Lambert, but I really doubt he would have made the difference after his recent performances. What has really cost us is failing to find a quality striker before the window closed. I just hope we can get to the window and still be in with a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 Still top and about ten places higher than I though we'd be. Until our home form falters we are in an excellent position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellgirl Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 Perhaps in- house should get over themselves if a prospective target gets leaked,do the deal ,announce it as done, asap. Too many people ,involved in todays game to keep everything under wraps, I suspect this is why we are light and it is not clever, as we all know what we need and have done for some time,unless we have moved our own goal posts and are happy to stay here another year after the initial buzz that we were really going for it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 This is our seasons low point! the only way from here is up! I think you will find that comes in two weeks time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 Sh*t result, great-looking league table. We were without 2 of my 4 "must play" players - and a third is playing poorly. Our rivals will suffer the same fate soon enough. Still, carry on wrist-slitters. Bill, in my opinion we lose the essential balance if we play the three central midfielders in the same team. The team selection in the two away matches and the first half v Hull was the problem. All season we have managed by only playing two out of three except to negatively close out a game and it has worked beautifully until Chaplow disappeared. From then on the preferred selection has been all three and the blend and balance is lost. Guly isn't a lone striker, even if Barnard is not fit for a full game he was the only alternative, De Ridder seems best as an out and out wide player but only seems to start as a hybrid forward which doesn't seem to work either. I think Lallana is being given too much credit and isn't the same player at the moment that he was before the injury. Lambert was a big miss but we should have been able to cope with Doncaster. It's all very well changing systems but if the personnel aren't gelling as a team it won't matter how the team is changed. The preferred team up to BC was round pegs in round holes since then it has been a case of the three midfielders selected together, they may well be some of the better players but we can't operate with all three in the side, there is no penetration and everything is too slow and deliberate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 Who are you to judge ? Personally, I think real fans can see the warts of their team, and dont toe the happy-clappy line irrespective of what is happening. Today was utterly unacceptable. F**king deal with it. I rest my case. Looking at ManU's form away from home last season (In which I believe they won the prem) W5 D10 L4. I'd say for ManU that was unacceptable, but it didn't do them any harm. In fact up to January they had only won one away game in the league. My point is that, while there are problems that need to be addressed our away form is not the end of the world. At the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 Bill, in my opinion we lose the essential balance if we play the three central midfielders in the same team. The team selection in the two away matches and the first half v Hull was the problem. All season we have managed by only playing two out of three except to negatively close out a game and it has worked beautifully until Chaplow disappeared. From then on the preferred selection has been all three and the blend and balance is lost. Guly isn't a lone striker, even if Barnard is not fit for a full game he was the only alternative, De Ridder seems best as an out and out wide player but only seems to start as a hybrid forward which doesn't seem to work either. I think Lallana is being given too much credit and isn't the same player at the moment that he was before the injury. Lambert was a big miss but we should have been able to cope with Doncaster. It's all very well changing systems but if the personnel aren't gelling as a team it won't matter how the team is changed. The preferred team up to BC was round pegs in round holes since then it has been a case of the three midfielders selected together, they may well be some of the better players but we can't operate with all three in the side, there is no penetration and everything is too slow and deliberate. Yes, Dave, it's not just the loss of Chaplow's significant attributes but also the mis-shapen and imbalanced midfield it seems to force upon us. But that's only a "seems to force upon us". How would you configure things while Chaplow's out? I'm frustrated, too, but it's very likely that all of our rivals will lose key people for prolonged spells and will (regardless of squad depth, because it's a balance issue) struggle as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 Come on Bristol city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 Just back myself. What a shambles. I was hoping brizzle last week was just a one off, but clearly it wasn't. People who say our away form isn't bad, well trust me, it is. I've done 5 away now and they've gotten worse as the season goes on. I agree with posters above that Guly was rubbish today. However, he was CLEARLY struggling up top on his own, it was obvious after half an hour but Adkins didn't do anything to change it - he got it wrong today. Should have started with LB up top with Guly IMO. But what do I know. If Guly was bad then Fox was a total disaster. Every corner he took was an embarrassment. His crosses were pants and his distribution woeful. Where has the player from a month ago gone? The midfield didn't work today. No cohesion, none of the fluidity of games gone by. Hope we can find the balance and trickery we showed earlier in the season. Lallana comes out of today with some credit, looked like the only player on the pitch that wanted to be out there today. Really, very disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raucebysaint Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 Just back, i can't believe how bad we were up front.. Fantastic football and possession 1st half but no one to shoot or hold the ball up in the box. It was embarassing at times. If we rely that much on Rickie then we are "top of the league, you're having a laugh" after todays performance.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 (edited) Yes, Dave, it's not just the loss of Chaplow's significant attributes but also the mis-shapen and imbalanced midfield it seems to force upon us. But that's only a "seems to force upon us". How would you configure things while Chaplow's out? I'm frustrated, too, but it's very likely that all of our rivals will lose key people for prolonged spells and will (regardless of squad depth, because it's a balance issue) struggle as a result. At the moment, two from Schneiderlin/Cork/Hammond in central midfield, Lallana left, De Ridder right, Guly and Barnard up top with Lallana to fill in and Holmes to replace him if Barnard/Guly couldn't last the game. Hopefully Lambert will be back but I'd be surprised to see Chaplow anytime soon. Knees are dodgy. As an afterthought possibly Butterfield to fill in up front. Edited 3 December, 2011 by derry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 Just back myself. What a shambles. I was hoping brizzle last week was just a one off, but clearly it wasn't. People who say our away form isn't bad, well trust me, it is. I've done 5 away now and they've gotten worse as the season goes on. I agree with posters above that Guly was rubbish today. However, he was CLEARLY struggling up top on his own, it was obvious after half an hour but Adkins didn't do anything to change it - he got it wrong today. Should have started with LB up top with Guly IMO. But what do I know. If Guly was bad then Fox was a total disaster. Every corner he took was an embarrassment. His crosses were pants and his distribution woeful. Where has the player from a month ago gone? The midfield didn't work today. No cohesion, none of the fluidity of games gone by. Hope we can find the balance and trickery we showed earlier in the season. Lallana comes out of today with some credit, looked like the only player on the pitch that wanted to be out there today. Really, very disappointing. The last sentence is the only good thing to come out of this game. We need him fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 Yeah just how does a tactical astute manager, manage to take a newly promoted team to the top of the Championship ??? Rolly eyes smilie !I think what you mean is how does a non tactical astute manager, manage to take a newly promoted team to the top of the championship. Yes sure we are top and have up to now have done more than most of us have dared hope. However warning signs have been ignored in particular lack of cover up front ( a non fully fit Barnard being the ONLY striker to feature in todays game ). Adkins / the team went about todays game in exactly the same way as the Bristol game, from which NOTHING appears to have been learnt. It is obvious that De Ridder is a far better impact player than he is when starting and that certain combinations of midfielders also do not work ( as cited by others on here ). Our build up play which at home is effective is not working well in away games, where we need to move the ball forward quicker and may also help in not getting caught on the counter attack which we now seem prone.I would have been more than happy to finish mid table before the season started but considering our present position I think that the club feels its mission completed and nothing more needs to be done both on or off the pitch. We all know that it doesn,t quite work that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint peter Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 Had a bad feeling about this fixture.... We always seem to perform at our worst against the relegation zone teams based in the North of the country !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 Last week I said that we had missed a great opportunity to pick up points away from home and was dismissed by most. This week was an even better opportunitiy in my opionion and we blew it. We got nothing from either game - I personally think that 4 points was there for the taking. Our away form is pants and will cost us dear. Saving grace (if any), WHU lost as well, but we can't rely upon other teams to coninuously miss their chances. We could have already been comfortable going into Xmas, as it is now, we are inviting pressure, and will at some point crack at home. If our home form goes - what do we then rely upon/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 And nor 'boro score in the last minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 B@llocks. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 **** @ boro. crap day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 thx everyone for the txt updates. We lost Bollo x BUT the upside is we got to see England win a Sporting event away again. Big shout to fellow TSW member GJ for blagging me an upgrade into Corp Hosp for an afternoon on London Pride washed down with Amurulah shots Need to sort things out though and quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M271 Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 Last 2 away matches seem to have followed a similar pattern, pretty even first half with OK play from Saints without threatening much, but second half after some tinkering Saints have been second best with hardly a threat in the final 3rd (even with Lambert against Brizzle). May be Adkins shouldn't change things too soon, I know that he wants to win every game (don't we all) but may be he needs to be a bit more patient while things are even before changing things. Still a great start to the season and "not to high when we win or too low when we lose". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 I must say I'm a bit concerned as to why in his post match comments NA was "excited" about Guly playing up top with Morgan feeding off him. Why on earth would you be excited about pushing a guy forward who has scored one goal in his Saints career ? Sorry but I just dont get that tactic I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 3 December, 2011 I must say I'm a bit concerned as to why in his post match comments NA was "excited" about Guly playing up top with Morgan feeding off him. Why on earth would you be excited about pushing a guy forward who has scored one goal in his Saints career ? Sorry but I just dont get that tactic I'm afraid. 2 goals, and he's rarely scored because he's always been told to play deeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
explorer saint Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 result was on the cards no pasion or ideas agree adkins is clueless away from home and we are an easy team to play against, teams know how to play us, we had loads corners but never looked liked scoring final ball total ****e, think we should hope for play offs at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 I'm hoping we have now got our "Walsall" and our "Rochdale" performances out of way (during the same week) for this season now and normal service will be resumed from here on. Unfortunately I don't totally believe that, and fear our away form will be our downfall. We should really be 5 or 8 points ahead of West Ham tonight rather than thankful to Vokes for keeping us top. Too many doubts about too many starters after today,some of the weaknesses in the squad exposed without Lambert available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 2 goals, and he's rarely scored because he's always been told to play deeper. On this point, anyone have any idea why we aren't using Cork as the foremost of the 3,surely he's not got a bad track record for goals scored at Burnley and perhaps Watford as well. Always seems to be too far back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 I must say I'm a bit concerned as to why in his post match comments NA was "excited" about Guly playing up top with Morgan feeding off him. Why on earth would you be excited about pushing a guy forward who has scored one goal in his Saints career ? Sorry but I just dont get that tactic I'm afraid. Ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 I'm hoping we have now got our "Walsall" and our "Rochdale" performances out of way (during the same week) for this season now and normal service will be resumed from here on. Unfortunately I don't totally believe that, and fear our away form will be our downfall. We should really be 5 or 8 points ahead of West Ham tonight rather than thankful to Vokes for keeping us top. Too many doubts about too many starters after today,some of the weaknesses in the squad exposed without Lambert available. I hope there isn't a "Brentford" to come though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 2 goals, and he's rarely scored because he's always been told to play deeper. Well as usual you are being picky but you get my point surely ? And lack of goals is not because he plays deeper its because his shooting is bloody awful, the worst part of his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonsays Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 **** @ boro. crap day. End of the world our lead is only SEVEN POINTS now, yes 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 Excellent well balanced post. t was obvious over the summer that we were not prepared to invest in a few extra quid for the sake of promotion to the Premiership. I think this principle is well worth standing up for and will send a clear message to the football world, that we are not prepared to put ambition before prudence. Oh no you dont, that is NOT what I said - its not about putting pridence before ambition, its about putting a structure and sensible structure in place that we can live with financially and keeps balnce and harmony within the squad and not being fecking stupid or being held to ransome by players making unralistic demands, no matter how ambitious the club is.... its got feck all to do with ambition or lack of it, but to do with commons sense - if you fail to see tehc differnce thats your problem, but DO not misinterpret what I am saying to try and support your misguided and often plain wierd obsessive opinions.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Eric the Red Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 I am sorry how can you Barnard is not good enough he played less than 45 minutes this year? We have no idea if he is not. You are talking crap. Chaplow will be back he when is fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 We were always going to have a bad spell, this is it. Equally, teams struggling at the moment of the league raise their game for teams at the top of the league - just as we used to in the Prem. Disappointing to lose, disappointing to realise quite how little attacking threat we pose without RL, but we're still top, the season is still young and I'd rather suffer now while there is still time to pick up. But I'm not a wrist slitter, so probably don't fit in with some here. For Christ sake Ricky Lambert played at Bristol and we lost TWO bloody nil !!!! The RL excuse will not wash and is as is proved - a complete red herring... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 It's the end of the world as we know it, but I feel fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 I have, up to now, been not too worried about the away form. As long as we were averaging more than a point a game and winning most of our home games, there wasn`t a problem. However, the last two away games (less than positive performances + no goals) are a cause for concern. I really hope that NA can sort it out, especially with the Skates coming up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 I only caught the last 20 minutes, but it sounded like an all round bad day at the offfice, players & manager alike, but with the Hammers also losing it's not the end of the world, we will not win every game we paly & we are still top. I hope the authorities have closed the Itchen Bridge tonight, because from the sounds of things on here the Coastguard will have a busy evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 NA said only last week that there will be ups and downs and we must not get too down about this loss. We cannot win every game, just as we couldn't beat Rochdale last season. A good win against Blackpool next week will have the moaners crowing from the rooftops. We have good players and a good Manager & staff, so let us move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 I only caught the last 20 minutes, but it sounded like an all round bad day at the offfice, players & manager alike, but with the Hammers also losing it's not the end of the world, we will not win every game we paly & we are still top. I hope the authorities have closed the Itchen Bridge tonight, because from the sounds of things on here the Coastguard will have a busy evening. Heard this so many times after last weeks result. The fact is that it is still in our own hands. We are still top. But too many "bad days at the office" and things could change rapidly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 The answer is not as simple as a striker to replace Lambert. You simply will not find a player who can fulfil his role as playmaker and scorer in one (and would sit on our bench) - when he's not scoring he's laying the ball on because his delivery is simply superb. The question is how we play without him to ensure we make best use of the remainder of the side? Where was Lallana attacking today, with any of the creativity we know he has? Where were those long diagonal balls we know Morgan can hit? Where were the balls over the top for De Ridder's pace - his only real attribute?? And why oh why do we not play away from home with the same patience and precision as we do at home?? It needs a long look at our tactical approach not simple a dip into the transfer window. It wasn't that we failed to finish today, we failed to create. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 December, 2011 Share Posted 3 December, 2011 hearing text on solent and moans on hear we have some really fuc king thick fans ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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