1976_Child Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 The police have passed 'the file' to the Crown Prosecution Service. If the CPS believe they have a reasonable chance of conviction he will be prosecuted. What would the charge be? Racial abuse? And what could the penalty be? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/8928551/Police-pass-file-on-John-Terrys-alleged-racial-slur-towards-Anton-Ferdinand-to-prosecutors.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 What a pathetic country we have become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 What a pathetic country we have become. Exactly. I can't stand Terry, ***t of a man, but do the police and CPS really have nothing better to focus on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 1 December, 2011 Author Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Exactly. I can't stand Terry, ***t of a man, but do the police and CPS really have nothing better to focus on? I agree. Total waste of time and effort. But I would guess that it has been decided to make an example of him, even if they have no intention to actually prosecute. So by signalling that it could go that far they are 'making a point'. And precisely no one who uses the same (alleged) language as Terry will give a care. But they have to be seen to be doing something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 (edited) Exactly. I can't stand Terry, ***t of a man, but do the police and CPS really have nothing better to focus on? I am sure they have lots of other things they are focusing on the same way that the police are not just out catching murderers. If he was a random member of the public who was witnessed in the street racially abusing someone he could and should be chased up on it and charged if the police considered it severe enough and had enough evidence. Just because he is a footballer doing it on a football pitch should not excuse him from the law of the land. Edited 1 December, 2011 by pedg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Whatever happens the CPS will makes a balls of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 I am sure they have lots of other things they are focusing on the same way that the police are not just out catching murderers. If he was a random member of the public who was witnessed in the street racially abusing someone he could and should be chased up on it and charged if the police considered it severe enough and had enough evidence. Just because he is a footballer doing it on a football pitch should not excuse him from the law of the land. Briefly calling another player a nasty name on a football pitch is not worth using the supposedly over-stretched resources of our police force and CPS for. The FA should be able to give a more than sufficient punishment quickly enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Talking of CPS how an earth did that trial collapse in Swansea. Cost upwards of 30 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Briefly calling another player a nasty name on a football pitch is not worth using the supposedly over-stretched resources of our police force and CPS for. The FA should be able to give a more than sufficient punishment quickly enough. Would it be okay if John Terry waved a banana at him? At what point does it stop being on field banter and become more serious? For such a high profile case I am sure the police considered the context in which the event happened but they have decided that it crossed the line. Maybe once it gets to court we can decide if it did rather than prejudge the police case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Would it be okay if John Terry waved a banana at him? At what point does it stop being on field banter and become more serious? For such a high profile case I am sure the police considered the context in which the event happened but they have decided that it crossed the line. Maybe once it gets to court we can decide if it did rather than prejudge the police case. Where have I said anything is 'okay'? If Terry waved a Banana at him everyone would laugh at him for looking ridiculous. If Terry had said anything seriously offensive about Ferdinand's family etc there wouldn't have been this fuss, its purely because he used the word 'black' (alledgedly). And the police wouldn't have cared at all if it hadn't been whipped up by the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 What would the charge be? Racial abuse? And what could the penalty be? Racially aggravated public order offence. And in these circumstances, most likely a fine and a community order. Exactly. I can't stand Terry, ***t of a man, but do the police and CPS really have nothing better to focus on? No. In fact the entire police service of England and Wales, as well as the whole of the CPS, have been working exclusively on the John Terry case. I am sure they have lots of other things they are focusing on the same way that the police are not just out catching murderers. If he was a random member of the public who was witnessed in the street racially abusing someone he could and should be chased up on it and charged if the police considered it severe enough and had enough evidence. Just because he is a footballer doing it on a football pitch should not excuse him from the law of the land. A point perfectly made. In fact, the public interest in this case is arguably considerably higher than if it were a random member of the public. If the job had been dropped, this forum would be full of posts about how it is yet another example of how footballers/celebs in general are above the law and how the old bill are obviously corrupt and let him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 What a pathetic country we have become. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCholulaKid Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Where have I said anything is 'okay'? If Terry waved a Banana at him everyone would laugh at him for looking ridiculous. If Terry had said anything seriously offensive about Ferdinand's family etc there wouldn't have been this fuss, its purely because he used the word 'black' (alledgedly). And the police wouldn't have cared at all if it hadn't been whipped up by the media. OMG. Scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 If Terry is not guilty, surely he can sue the Police, papers or even the liar that made up the allegations? I still can't make out what he's supposed to have said. If Jeremy Clarkson had of said what Terry was alleged to have said then we could have just laughed it all off because that's just the way Clarkson is. I think Terry's legal team should just say he was having a bit of banter, you know what Terry's like, always one for a controversial comment and all that ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 If Terry is not guilty, surely he can sue the Police, papers or even the liar that made up the allegations? I still can't make out what he's supposed to have said. If Jeremy Clarkson had of said what Terry was alleged to have said then we could have just laughed it all off because that's just the way Clarkson is. I think Terry's legal team should just say he was having a bit of banter, you know what Terry's like, always one for a controversial comment and all that ;-) If Clarkson had said on Top Gear to a guest what Terry allegedly said at QPR to Ferdinand, you're seriously, seriously suggesting that it would have been laughed off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Surely making myself look a twat is punishment enough? Yes John, it probably is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinger Posted 2 December, 2011 Share Posted 2 December, 2011 Briefly calling another player a nasty name on a football pitch is not worth using the supposedly over-stretched resources of our police force and CPS for. The FA should be able to give a more than sufficient punishment quickly enough. How and why do you reckon a criminal offence should be dealt with by an employment disciplinary procedure? Are we saying that the football pitch is no-man's land and anything goes? If I raped someone in a team meeting, maybe I should expect it to be ironed out by the HR department? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 2 December, 2011 Share Posted 2 December, 2011 What makes it different to this if they were both said in the same context? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i47HoiM0Au8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 December, 2011 Share Posted 2 December, 2011 How and why do you reckon a criminal offence should be dealt with by an employment disciplinary procedure? Are we saying that the football pitch is no-man's land and anything goes? If I raped someone in a team meeting, maybe I should expect it to be ironed out by the HR department? On that basis the police should be arresting players every week, you could easily have plenty of cases of section 5, assault, or even affray. Never happens does it. Are you telling me that if Terry has said pretty much anything else to Ferdinand it would have made it to the CPS? It's purely becasue he used the word "black" that it suddenly becomes a political issue. Terry could have came out with something genuinely offensive about Ferdinand's family for example, but that wouldn't have got anywhere near this coverage as long as he didn't use the word "black". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 2 December, 2011 Share Posted 2 December, 2011 It's purely becasue he used the word "black" that it suddenly becomes a political issue. Terry could have came out with something genuinely offensive about Ferdinand's family for example, but that wouldn't have got anywhere near this coverage as long as he didn't use the word "black". Not a political issue: a criminal one. How many other laws do you consider you're entitled to break? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 December, 2011 Share Posted 2 December, 2011 Not a political issue: a criminal one. How many other laws do you consider you're entitled to break? Well why isn't this then applied to everything that happens on a football pitch? Plenty of things that could be considered criminal that are never prosecuted. That Wigan player spitting at the Wolves player the other week as a basic example. If I did that in full view of the police in front of plenty of cameras while walking down the street, I'd expect something to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 2 December, 2011 Share Posted 2 December, 2011 Well why isn't this then applied to everything that happens on a football pitch? Plenty of things that could be considered criminal that are never prosecuted. That Wigan player spitting at the Wolves player the other week as a basic example. If I did that in full view of the police in front of plenty of cameras while walking down the street, I'd expect something to happen. You equate racist abuse (alleged) with spitting. Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 2 December, 2011 Share Posted 2 December, 2011 You equate racist abuse (alleged) with spitting. Brilliant. I suspect that he is saying that spitting at someone is a criminal act as well (albeit not as serious as racial abuse) but nothing is done about it, as is throwing punches etc. Where does the line get drawn. I think you are being a little provocative saying that sour mash considers spitting is as serious as racial abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 December, 2011 Share Posted 2 December, 2011 You equate racist abuse (alleged) with spitting. Brilliant. Glad you agree I am brilliant. Standard response when you can't think of a counter-argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 2 December, 2011 Share Posted 2 December, 2011 Glad you agree I am brilliant. Standard response when you can't think of a counter-argument. The argument is clearly implied. Sorry, I forgot. You need things spelled out in big letters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinger Posted 2 December, 2011 Share Posted 2 December, 2011 Well why isn't this then applied to everything that happens on a football pitch? Plenty of things that could be considered criminal that are never prosecuted. That Wigan player spitting at the Wolves player the other week as a basic example. If I did that in full view of the police in front of plenty of cameras while walking down the street, I'd expect something to happen. I suppose the main differences are that this is a more serious crime than spitting, and carries a stiffer penalty; that this has actually been referred to the police by a member of the public and as such must be investigated. I think your point about players punching each other is a valid one though. Am I right in remembering that Duncan Ferguson got busted for this a few years back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 December, 2011 Share Posted 2 December, 2011 I suppose the main differences are that this is a more serious crime than spitting, and carries a stiffer penalty; that this has actually been referred to the police by a member of the public and as such must be investigated. I think your point about players punching each other is a valid one though. Am I right in remembering that Duncan Ferguson got busted for this a few years back? Yeah Ferguson got done I think, must have been 10 years ago at least. Plenty of stuff on a football pitch could be classed as a Section 5, assault or even affray, but never gets picked up by the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 2 December, 2011 Share Posted 2 December, 2011 You equate racist abuse (alleged) with spitting. Brilliant. If someone was calling me names, racialist or otherwise demeaning, it would be annoying and unpleasant but I would still be able to laugh it all off and maybe finish with a handshake at the end - like Mr Blatter told us too. If someone were to spit on me I would be absolutely fuming and the situation could turn violent. I certainly know what I would find more offensive! I also know what I would prefer if I had a choice, words all day long! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 December, 2011 Share Posted 2 December, 2011 If you payed me 50k a week i'd stand in the middle of a football pitch and you could call me a honky for 90 minutes if you wanted. It wouldn't bother me one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 2 December, 2011 Share Posted 2 December, 2011 But Anton Ferdinand isn't paid by QPR to stand on the pitch and be racially abused, as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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