Tac-tics Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Please just answer me one question, no if's or buts a straight answer. If you was a footballer. Would you rather play in front of 30,000 or 15,000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 ...and if you were a footballer, which one would you like to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 30 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 30 October, 2008 oh a typical nob of the forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 oh a typical nob of the forum ...responding to a nob question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Please just answer me one question, no if's or buts a straight answer. If you was a footballer. Would you rather play in front of 30,000 or 15,000? 15,000. Far less intimidating, especially for the youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 30 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Not really, look at trousers answer.. go away your screwny mugg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Please just answer me one question, no if's or buts a straight answer. If you was a footballer. Would you rather play in front of 30,000 or 15,000?30,000 of course. But let's get one thing straight we're are heading into a recession and peoples' disposable incomes are tight. Fans won't pay big money to watch reserve team football. Plus the Lowe factor is affecting many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 What exactly is a screwny mugg? There's a whole new language out there being spawned by the Yoof, but I can't be much bothered to learn it. And just to respond in the same vein as Trousers, if I were a player I'd personally wish to play in front of 18,756 fans ideally, as I'm not quite as intimidated as he would be as a youngster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Please just answer me one question, no if's or buts a straight answer. If you was a footballer. Would you rather play in front of 30,000 or 15,000? Would be interestig to hear from the players too. i.e. If you were a supporter, would you pay to watch Saints? Taking into consideration all the reasons given by the 'stay-aways'. Note: I still go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 I'm not a deliberate stay away so perhaps I am not allowed to answer. But if I was a Professional footballer (as opposed to just a footballer) I would try to play the same whether there was 30k, 15k or 1 man and his dog. I would probably cack myself if there was 30k and I was young and inexperienced (I think I can remember that far back), so maybe smaller crowds would be better while I was learning the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 30,000 obviously, but basically i don't give a **** what a Lowe Luvvie thinks of my stance. Lowe Out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 If 1,000 people showed up to watch me play, I'd be over the moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apdsaint Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Does it matter? If you’re a professional footballer it should make no difference how many are watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Army Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Does it matter? If you’re a professional footballer it should make no difference how many are watching. And we all know that's complete crap. Crowds can make the difference in a game - positive or negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 And we all know that's complete crap. Crowds can make the difference in a game - positive or negative. indeed it does...you only have to look at the crowd at fratton in their first two years up.. then the crowd at liverpool on big euro nights... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 30 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Imjust intreged. lol at the people who thought its a stupid question. It clearly is'nt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Lining up for "thread of the day" right here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Imjust intreged. lol at the people who thought its a stupid question. It clearly is'nt But what prompted you to pose the question in the first place and what analysis have you drawn from the responses thus far? I'm intrigued (intreged) to know...! For what it's worth 15000 or 30000 should make absolutely no difference at all - a pro footballer should be able to perform to the same level no matter what. I accept that this isn't always the case and as TDD has rightly pointed out - the crowd do play a part in a players performance - therefore I would opt for the largest crowd every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 tbh after speaking to numerous players over the years they dont really notice the crowd too much as they are (or should be) focused on playing the game. all of this 12th man b0ll0x is just that imo.............b0ll0x. if you are a good footballer,you are a good footballer and no amount of chanting or singing by 60,000 or 60 fans is going to make you any better. in the 80's i was lucky enough to be able to attend training sessions and 'behind closed doors' matches on a regular basis and there would be maybe 10 -15 people on the line,the players still played as well as if there was 20,000 people watching so i dont think they are too bothered about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 i stay away because we are so ****e it unbelievable....i could not care less who runs the club to be fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Somewhat off topic I know but just listened to Daniel Levy of Spurs talking about the new ground. One of the reasons being that they have a waiting list of 22,000 for season tickets. I know we never had this 'problem' but it just goes to show the difference between the 'have's' and the 'have-nots'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 30 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 30 October, 2008 The point I was trying to make is players perform under larger numbers.... with only the acceptance of them being behind the team. I ask on eof the youth team what they thought and they said there favourite game was at st.marys vs Liverpool a few years back, most they ever played infront off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Please just answer me one question, no if's or buts a straight answer. If you was a footballer. Would you rather play in front of 30,000 or 15,000? Ok I am not a stay away although I have left before the end twice this year but am bored so... If I was a footballer I wouldn't give a toss if it was one man and his dog or 30,000 as long as I got my wages! That is the players mentality these days..its money nothing else and loyalty is only for fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 The point I was trying to make is players perform under larger numbers.... I can remember everyone hyping up the home game against QPR a couple of seasons back. I think it was the largest gate so far and yet we didn't play well and got turned over. However, I think pro's probably would like a full stadium giving maximum home support, but I would also like to see regular 10-0 wins, £1 entry and strippers at half time. Howeve, the attendance issue is pretty simple. In the absence of anyone at the top who can engender a spirit of togetherness which might tempt people back, we need to win matches to pull in the punters. Just because players might like to perform in front of larger crowds it will have no affect on the size of the crowd:rolleyes::rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 The point I was trying to make is players perform under larger numbers.... with only the acceptance of them being behind the team. I ask on eof the youth team what they thought and they said there favourite game was at st.marys vs Liverpool a few years back, most they ever played infront off. What happens when UEFA and other governing bodies decide that games should be played 'behind closed doors'? Do both teams suddenly develop an inability to even kick the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 The question is a non sequiter. A fourth division player is used to playing in front of A third division player is used to playing in front of A second division player is used to playing in front of A Prem division player is used to playing in front of 25000+ crowds The players we have now with only one or two exceptions have mostly only ever played in front of crowds of 5000-10000, so as far as they are concerned everything is normal. They might be intimidated and overwhelmed by crowds of 25000 each week but as it isn't going to happen anytime soon it's all a bit academic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 tbh after speaking to numerous players over the years they dont really notice the crowd too much as they are (or should be) focused on playing the game. all of this 12th man b0ll0x is just that imo.............b0ll0x. if you are a good footballer,you are a good footballer and no amount of chanting or singing by 60,000 or 60 fans is going to make you any better. in the 80's i was lucky enough to be able to attend training sessions and 'behind closed doors' matches on a regular basis and there would be maybe 10 -15 people on the line,the players still played as well as if there was 20,000 people watching so i dont think they are too bothered about it. Have to disagree on this point lordswoodsaints. My brother in law is a Stockport County fan & I went to Wembly with him for the pre cursor to the Johnson's paint trophy what ever it was called at the time. It was against Port Vale 2-0 down at half time & lucky it wasn't 8-0 county were Sh**e first 10-mins no better in the second half & fo 35-mins the whole County contigent stood up and sang Danny Baggara's blue & white army continously the only time they shut up was to celibrate a goal and imediateley started to sing again, it didn't win the game but it dragged them back into it. May only be a small club but prooves the power of support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_No_7 Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 30,000 of course. But let's get one thing straight we're are heading into a recession and peoples' disposable incomes are tight. Fans won't pay big money to watch reserve team football. Plus the Lowe factor is affecting many. yeah and how many are saying they dont go cos of lowe, yet never went last year either? just a handy excuse for loads of divs who would turn up next week if it was liverpool in the cup:rolleyes: and yep football is way too dear regardless of who's on the pitch. lets just hope the bubble well and truly bursts, and football returns to the people soon eh:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 yeah and how many are saying they dont go cos of lowe, yet never went last year either? just a handy excuse for loads of divs who would turn up next week if it was liverpool in the cup:rolleyes: and yep football is way too dear regardless of who's on the pitch. lets just hope the bubble well and truly bursts, and football returns to the people soon eh:) Do you think lowe is "a bit of a tosser" Shimon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Lizzard Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 ...responding to a nob question. Nail struck squarely on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 If they can deliver the results then they will get the bigger crowds, QED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Are there accidental stay-aways too? Surely there must be. I think they should have their own thread too, otherwise they'll feel left out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 i stay away because we are so ****e it unbelievable....i could not care less who runs the club to be fair Likewise, I dont like ****ing money up the wall. In reference to the original question, why have you not included the million other viewers when the sky cameras turn up? surely our players LOVE playing infront of even MORE fans............ah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Likewise, I dont like ****ing money up the wall. In reference to the original question, why have you not included the million other viewers when the sky cameras turn up? surely our players LOVE playing infront of even MORE fans............ah! im sorry windmill but if you dont like ****ing money up the wall then you should have never become a saints fan,in fact you should have never become a fan of football full stop,being a football fan is an expensive waste of time whatever team you support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 15,000 is an ambitious target for this bunch to play in front of!!.......if results continue at home as they are they will be lucky to have 12,000 by the new year!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 1 November, 2008 Share Posted 1 November, 2008 im sorry windmill but if you dont like ****ing money up the wall then you should have never become a saints fan,in fact you should have never become a fan of football full stop,being a football fan is an expensive waste of time whatever team you support. I find i can be a football fan without ****ing money up the wall, you must be doing something wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 1 November, 2008 Share Posted 1 November, 2008 Naturally I guess I'd prefer 30,000 fans. However I don't really care what the footballers would prefer. I'm not staying away because of Lowe - I'm staying away because we're crap, the games are crap, we'll probably lose and it's too expensive. Lowe has said that football is a 'results led industry' and he's right. Until we stand a fair chance of competing better than we can at the moment then I'm not shelling out and wasting time on something I won't enjoy. Obviously this makes me a 'plastic' fan or a glory hunter which is fine and I can live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 November, 2008 Share Posted 1 November, 2008 im sorry windmill but if you dont like ****ing money up the wall then you should have never become a saints fan,in fact you should have never become a fan of football full stop,being a football fan is an expensive waste of time whatever team you support. what a ridiculous thing to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted 1 November, 2008 Share Posted 1 November, 2008 U wouldn't care to be honest. It would be nice to see a full stadium in a footballers eyes, but they are professionals at end of the day. They don't care about the atmosphere much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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