Sour Mash Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Surely the "wrong names" won't make any difference, half the people there won't have tickets matching their names? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Anyone else think the reason they're going slow on this is so when it becomes clear that "all taken up" means "we decided not to release the ones we had left after the second ballot" they can claim there "isn't time to process a third phase of applications anyway"? No, as they've said a while ago that no more tickets will be on sale, and suggested that there are no more tickets left to sell, so they won't go back on that. I think what happened is they expected all the tickets to sell in the first ballot and have struggled to cope since then, so any remaining tickets will get returned without them admitting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Surely the "wrong names" won't make any difference, half the people there won't have tickets matching their names? They will, the names of all applicants (not the lead applicant) are on the bus tickets and its the only way they will know that match tickets are being given to the people who actually applied. Otherwise anyone could turn up, and it's not like they can cross-reference the TO database on the bus, is it ? It's going to be chaos one way or another. Just for the record, my favourite new rumour is from a mate who knows a steward, who has said DESPITE what it says on the ticket about 11am, the 12:15 leaving time is still right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 No, as they've said a while ago that no more tickets will be on sale, and suggested that there are no more tickets left to sell, so they won't go back on that. I think what happened is they expected all the tickets to sell in the first ballot and have struggled to cope since then, so any remaining tickets will get returned without them admitting it. That's what I mean, they're saying there aren't any more tickets, that they won't sell any more, and making this 2nd phase go slowly is justification for not releasing any that were left over - they've never said "sold out", only "all taken up". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 They're not being asked to split f!!king atoms are they? I guess every man and his dog in the 2nd ballot will be at the TO around 2.45 tomorrow after pool game asking the same question. Could have been solved with an article on the OS explaining a delay in the 2nd ballot. Would save all sorts of confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 (edited) Okie doke, I've just been to the ticket office to get Brighton tickets, took a punt on getting Pompey Bus from 2nd ballot whilst I was there (it's on my online history). Spoke to some geek kid, asked me if I'd had the email, I blatantly just lied to see what would happen, he got his supervisor over, they printed me 3 bus tickets for the right bus - job done ? Well, no, because the number on the ticket was my ST number and the names on the bus ticket were me and two linked people, all of whom already have different bus tickets from the first ballot, and none of whom would actually be on that bus when they were handing out the tickets - so no use to my +1s who actually would have been on the bus. I decided it wasn't worth the hassle for my mates on the bus, went to a different window and had the helpful TO person look up the people who were meant to be on the tickets - whilst this was going on, someone in the TO announced to all and sundry "BUT WE HAVEN'T PROCESSED THE SECOND BALLOT YET" - meaning they haven't sent ANY 2nd Ballot emails - and she said she'd have to wait for me to get the email to get the bus tickets with the right names on. What a shambles. Luckily I went for Brighton tickets anyway, or it would have been a complete waste of time - but if they don't get the second ballot emails out before tomorrow there will be some annoyed non-Southampton-based fans. FWIW I parked on the road, didn't pay the 15 min charge... I've just had a think about this, and remembered that the 2nd ballot application was in the names of the ST holders and not the people who will be +1s, so maybe the names of the "applicants" will be the ST holders and not the people you've applied on behalf of, because... well, I don't recall ever having to give out the names of the people I applied on behalf of. So, logically, on the +1 buses, they don't have the names of ANY of the +1 people who will be on those buses (only the ST holders or +4 away non ST holders) - which actually means that absolutely anyone can turn up on those buses and get a ticket by claiming they are the +1 of someone whose name is read out. Also, there's no particular reason why the people I applied for would know the names of the ST holders who they were +1s of (friends of a friend) so that's shambolic as well. It also means I should have left with the tickets when I had the chance... There was a letter given out with the Bus Tickets, didn't get the chance to read it though, maybe that clarifies it. Edited 9 December, 2011 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 (edited) They will, the names of all applicants (not the lead applicant) are on the bus tickets and its the only way they will know that match tickets are being given to the people who actually applied. Otherwise anyone could turn up, and it's not like they can cross-reference the TO database on the bus, is it ? It's going to be chaos one way or another. Just for the record, my favourite new rumour is from a mate who knows a steward, who has said DESPITE what it says on the ticket about 11am, the 12:15 leaving time is still right... See my post above for my u-turn on this, you're right that all the +1 buses won't have the right names on them, they'll only have ST holders instead of +1s. Of course SOME of the 4+ aways people, presumably also on the +1 buses, WILL have their own names, which confuses matters further. I'd still be inclined to think if you're meant to be on an ST-only bus and go on a +1 bus or vice versa you're running the risk of one of you not getting a ticket - most likely if you're the +1 on the ST only bus. Edited 9 December, 2011 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 When I phoned the ticket office at the begining of the week I was told that anybody could come down and, provided they had my name, membership number and address, could collect my coach tickets for me, regardless of having recieved an e-mail. If (as the9 posted), they are getting shirty if you don't have your e-mail confirmation there are going to be a LOT of problems. If people are not able to pick up their tickets at the game tomorrow, or potentially even worse, different windows are allowing different things there will be pandemonium. How do they expect any fans who don't live / work within a few minutes of the stadium to be able to collect tickets in midweek, especially if they don;t end up having all of the e-mails sent out until Tuesday/Wednesday (which wouldn't surprise me at this rate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 That's what I mean, they're saying there aren't any more tickets, that they won't sell any more, and making this 2nd phase go slowly is justification for not releasing any that were left over - they've never said "sold out", only "all taken up". But you're suggesting they're going to try to use some sort of "justification", my point is that they've now said "all taken up", they can't then turn around and say the 2nd ballot took too long. I think we'll have sold enough for it to be very difficult to tell in the ground if there was a complete sell out or not, with a load of stewards on either side of us squeezing us in, but the fact they have never announced our allocation, never said we've sold out, I haven't heard of anyone actually being unsuccessful, suggests strongly that we haven't sold out and generally our ticket office don't have a clue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Not so much getting shirty that you don't have confirmation, they actually printed them for me - I gave them back because I THOUGHT they had the wrong names on, but it seems they didn't. But the fact someone said they hadn't sent 2nd Ballot emails out meant they hung onto the tickets anyway. It genuinely seems like none of them know exactly what they're meant to be doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 But you're suggesting they're going to try to use some sort of "justification", my point is that they've now said "all taken up", they can't then turn around and say the 2nd ballot took too long. I think we'll have sold enough for it to be very difficult to tell in the ground if there was a complete sell out or not, with a load of stewards on either side of us squeezing us in, but the fact they have never announced our allocation, never said we've sold out, I haven't heard of anyone actually being unsuccessful, suggests strongly that we haven't sold out and generally our ticket office don't have a clue! Can't argue with much of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Fair enough, but shirty or otherwise, if people can't collect their tickets at the last home game before then there will be huge problems. For one, I won't have another oportunity to collect them (or have somebody collect them for me) and so wouldn't be able to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Fair enough, but shirty or otherwise, if people can't collect their tickets at the last home game before then there will be huge problems. For one, I won't have another oportunity to collect them (or have somebody collect them for me) and so wouldn't be able to go. They are almost certainly going to have to have a collection window (or similar) open on the Sunday morning of the match as they will definitely have tickets uncollected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 See my post above for my u-turn on this, you're right that all the +1 buses won't have the right names on them, they'll only have ST holders instead of +1s. Of course SOME of the 4+ aways people, presumably also on the +1 buses, WILL have their own names, which confuses matters further. I'd still be inclined to think if you're meant to be on an ST-only bus and go on a +1 bus or vice versa you're running the risk of one of you not getting a ticket - most likely if you're the +1 on the ST only bus. I reckon it won't be far off 40/50% of people that won't have tickets in their name, they can't. I'd imagine its a case of turn up at St Marys (or Winchester/Bursledon), find your bus, show ticket to get on bus. Sit on bus. Half way into journey steward comes along and hands out a ticket per person. I'm sure someone, somewhere will have mis-counted though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 This is an absolute joke. We have not received an email telling us that we have been successful in our application or not. So if it was not for the fact that I have been on here and checking my online record on a daily basis, I would not have anyway of knowing my account has been debited for the two tickets plus bus fair. When we called up they confirmed that we did not need the email (but couldn't explain how I should know I have two tickets as the application was done by post not online) and said that we had to drive 9 hours from Cheshire and back, there were no exceptions and no way they could stick them in the post. I may be able to get a family member to pick up the tickets but she is not going to have any print outs, just the confirmation number and our address. I will then have to stop by that family members house on the morning of the game (as this will involve small talk etc we will now have to leave even earlier) as the ticket office won't be open. I know it is pretty much one girl working hard to do this and not her fault. However, it should never have been organised in this way causing her and us a lot of time and stress. A complete shambles! This could all have been avoided if either a) All tickets were posted and the cost added to the booking fee/price of the ticket. b) The ticket office opened for an hour or so on the morning of the game so that people who were not local could collect their tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 See my post above for my u-turn on this, you're right that all the +1 buses won't have the right names on them, they'll only have ST holders instead of +1s. Of course SOME of the 4+ aways people, presumably also on the +1 buses, WILL have their own names, which confuses matters further. I'd still be inclined to think if you're meant to be on an ST-only bus and go on a +1 bus or vice versa you're running the risk of one of you not getting a ticket - most likely if you're the +1 on the ST only bus. I'm glad I read on and saw your U-turn. I too, was down there this morning at about 11.15 (2nd window from the right) and after getting my Brighton tickets, asked the girl if she would check for my 2nd application. She replied in the time-honoured unhelpful manner. "I cant check now as there is a queue." There were about 6 people waiting and 5 windows open, so I waited to speak to Lee Hetherington who told me that I was successful and set up a password for this on-line malarkey, which has been beyond my capabilities. Back home, I've checked and nothing about the 2nd ballot appears. I'm none the wiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 I reckon it won't be far off 40/50% of people that won't have tickets in their name, they can't. I'd imagine its a case of turn up at St Marys (or Winchester/Bursledon), find your bus, show ticket to get on bus. Sit on bus. Half way into journey steward comes along and hands out a ticket per person. I'm sure someone, somewhere will have mis-counted though. Given the shambolic lack of communication so far I'd be surprised if the stewards were all operating the same processes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 I genuinley feel sorry for non STH trying to get a ticket for the home fixture. If they have this much difficulty processing 2000 tickets, how are they going to manage 8 times that many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 I reckon it won't be far off 40/50% of people that won't have tickets in their name, they can't. I'd imagine its a case of turn up at St Marys (or Winchester/Bursledon), find your bus, show ticket to get on bus. Sit on bus. Half way into journey steward comes along and hands out a ticket per person. I'm sure someone, somewhere will have mis-counted though. I can see it now, some dopey steward looking perplexed when he realises there are only 48 tickets on the bus of 52 or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Given the shambolic lack of communication so far I'd be surprised if the stewards were all operating the same processes... i was talking to a friend of a friend after the Hull game who is a steward, he has refused to work for skates away and said the club had been practically begging them to do it to get enough volunteers, the main jist seems to be on top of their normal work of sitting around looking at fans they are also going to be a figure head on the bus checking bus tickets and handing out match tickets which is a bit more than their normal role, then once at the ground they will have to work with the skates and follow instructions on what to do it all adds to the amatuerness of the operation, can you imagine on the bus they run out of tickets with still a couple of people to go!! hahah i guess they'd just let you in once at Fratton anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 I can see it now, some dopey steward looking perplexed when he realises there are only 48 tickets on the bus of 52 or something... This does worry me and wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 I'd hate to be working in the ticket office tomorrow, probably going to be quite a few disgruntled people trying to collect their bus tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 My cousin who was on my application but not the lead name just went down and collected all 5 tickets from the application, no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mucky.fingers Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 So for the people that have collected bus bases, can you confirm if names are printed on them? I used a (female) friends season ticket and planned to bring someone else along but now unsure if I'll get away with it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 So for the people that have collected bus bases, can you confirm if names are printed on them? I used a (female) friends season ticket and planned to bring someone else along but now unsure if I'll get away with it!! the lead name is on them, but you'll be fine as they won't know if you are a season ticket holder or a plus 1 so nothing to worry about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Only notified of a ticket in 2nd ballot on Wednesday ..... unable to make game on Saturday so as I work in Bournemouth, am going to have to take time off to collect ticket !!! Beginning to wish I had not bothered applying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Has anyone on here got the non 0845 number for the ticket office? I'm trying to check about picking up tomorrow and can't get through on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Only notified of a ticket in 2nd ballot on Wednesday ..... unable to make game on Saturday so as I work in Bournemouth, am going to have to take time off to collect ticket !!! Beginning to wish I had not bothered applying You won't if we win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 This has been a monumental balls up from day one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Has anyone on here got the non 0845 number for the ticket office? I'm trying to check about picking up tomorrow and can't get through on that 01271 335708 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 01271 335708 That one's for the off-site call centre, I think you can get a direct line to the SMS ticket office on 023 8071 1909 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 i was talking to a friend of a friend after the Hull game who is a steward, he has refused to work for skates away and said the club had been practically begging them to do it to get enough volunteers, the main jist seems to be on top of their normal work of sitting around looking at fans they are also going to be a figure head on the bus checking bus tickets and handing out match tickets which is a bit more than their normal role, then once at the ground they will have to work with the skates and follow instructions on what to do it all adds to the amatuerness of the operation, can you imagine on the bus they run out of tickets with still a couple of people to go!! hahah i guess they'd just let you in once at Fratton anyway I'm still not sure if they'll bother even making us go through the turnstyles anyway. As long as you're on a bus, I'd really expect match tickets not to really be a problem. Can definitely imagine them getting the numbers wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 We had better f*cking win after all this. Ticket office is going to be chaos tomorrow and next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornhill_saints Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 They will, the names of all applicants (not the lead applicant) are on the bus tickets and its the only way they will know that match tickets are being given to the people who actually applied. Otherwise anyone could turn up, and it's not like they can cross-reference the TO database on the bus, is it ? It's going to be chaos one way or another. Just for the record, my favourite new rumour is from a mate who knows a steward, who has said DESPITE what it says on the ticket about 11am, the 12:15 leaving time is still right... Well thats not going to work for me then, as I got my ticket on the first ballot using my season ticket details, applied for the second ballott for my daughter using my name & ST details, so my name is on both tickets but we are not on the same bus????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 I'm on bus 2- on the front line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 I'm on bus 2- on the front line. Are you leaving from Winchester? Does each location have its bus 1? Wonder which buses from the three departure points will arrive first in pompey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 (edited) Incidentally I just found the letter they gave me in my pocket. Before I gave the tickets (+ 1s with the ST holders names on in 3 different names) back. Will try and upload when I can get near a laptop, but other than instructions to be there 30 mins before the buses leave there's not much of note, certainly nothing clarifying the names on the tickets, etc. Edited 9 December, 2011 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Got a ticket showing on my online history (bus 25) but still no email, as seems the norm for those on the second ballot. Going to the game tomorrow and I'm going to attempt to pick my bus ticket up although reading all the above suggests that I'd be wasting my time. Happen to have a day off work on Wednesday but I'd rather not waste three hours of it travelling to and from Southampton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 still no email and no chance of collecting the bus ticket unless its tomorrow. They had better have it printed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 Are you leaving from Winchester? Does each location have its bus 1? Wonder which buses from the three departure points will arrive first in pompey?all the buses will meet in Bursledon and then on to **** park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourno Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 I am on bus 1 from Bursledon. Picked up tickets today and luckily Brighton as well. Phones were ringing in the office, the guy serving me turned to a girl and told her to take the phones off the hook as they were annoying. Checked the tickets tonight and 2 are mixed up, against my sons name it says adult, and against my friends name it says child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 9 December, 2011 Share Posted 9 December, 2011 I applied in first ballot and still have no email confirmation and not sure if the money has gone out, should i know by now?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 10 December, 2011 Share Posted 10 December, 2011 Fair enough, but shirty or otherwise, if people can't collect their tickets at the last home game before then there will be huge problems. For one, I won't have another oportunity to collect them (or have somebody collect them for me) and so wouldn't be able to go. if its of any help clapham saint my son is going down to get ours in the week,if your interested,ill get him to pick yours up.pm me if you can,for some reason im unable to pm you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locks heath saint 2 Posted 10 December, 2011 Share Posted 10 December, 2011 Phoned today apparently I put the wrong card number on the application, all sorted need to get some reading glasses. Many thanks to Becky in the ticket office who was most helpful. Anyone in a similar situation will be phone Monday apparently. Lets hope the we make worth while COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 10 December, 2011 Share Posted 10 December, 2011 if its of any help clapham saint my son is going down to get ours in the week,if your interested,ill get him to pick yours up.pm me if you can,for some reason im unable to pm you Thank you for the offer. My Mum tried to pick the tickets up for me before the game today only to be told that the second ballot hadn't been finalised yet! She phoned me and passed the phone to the girl in the ticket office. I pointed out that I had a confirmation showing on my on-line account (which my Mum had a print out of with her) and she then changed to say that the ticket hadn't yet been printed. After I kicked off about not having any other opportunity to collect the tickets before the day of the game, she said that the ticket office would be open on the day of the match and that I could collect them then. I'm sure that there was a previous announcement that the ticket office would NOT be open on the day and so if they have been forced to change this they have done a p*ss poor job of making it public. I'm sure I will make it to the game (fingers crossed) but this is winding me up so much. I'm really f***ing angry. You'd think they were writing every coach ticket out by hand as I can;t see any reason why printing 2-3000 bus tickets should take more than a day or two at most with even partial automation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 10 December, 2011 Share Posted 10 December, 2011 ok mate,hopefuly the to is open on the day,it would make it a lot easier for all of us who dont live down there anymore.offer open if you need.coys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 10 December, 2011 Share Posted 10 December, 2011 she said that the ticket office would be open on the day of the match and that I could collect them then. Well this is good news if true, saves me a trip over in the week, but why on earth don't the club feel it'd be worthwhile communicating this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 10 December, 2011 Share Posted 10 December, 2011 If they do open the office on the day of the gam it makes this whole balls up an even bigger disgrace because of all the people who aren't going because they couldn't make it down here to pick up tickets due to travelling distance. Who is actually in charge of the TO now David Luker has left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Lindford Posted 10 December, 2011 Share Posted 10 December, 2011 Thank you for the offer. My Mum tried to pick the tickets up for me before the game today only to be told that the second ballot hadn't been finalised yet! She phoned me and passed the phone to the girl in the ticket office. I pointed out that I had a confirmation showing on my on-line account (which my Mum had a print out of with her) and she then changed to say that the ticket hadn't yet been printed. After I kicked off about not having any other opportunity to collect the tickets before the day of the game, she said that the ticket office would be open on the day of the match and that I could collect them then. I'm sure that there was a previous announcement that the ticket office would NOT be open on the day and so if they have been forced to change this they have done a p*ss poor job of making it public. I'm sure I will make it to the game (fingers crossed) but this is winding me up so much. I'm really f***ing angry. You'd think they were writing every coach ticket out by hand as I can;t see any reason why printing 2-3000 bus tickets should take more than a day or two at most with even partial automation. Just the same for me. Don't live in Southampton so only opportunity to get tickets was today. Not had e-mail so thought I would ask anyway. Was told my tickets were not ready, was then told the TO would be open from 9am on the 18th to get tickets then. Seems there could be a lot of people queuing then on Sunday morning just to get coach tickets. Complete balls up all round by the ticket office IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 10 December, 2011 Share Posted 10 December, 2011 Picked my travel tickets up today, no hassle. Also worth noting the St Marys leaving time is 11AM, so no idea where people got the 12.15 departure time from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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