saintmatt Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Agree with OP, some people just like a scapegoat unfortunately though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 IMO there are gentle racist undertones around the ground and that explains the abuse. Think about the other players that have consistently been given stick over the past five years or so and what do most of them have in common? Also think about some of the players they played with who were much worse than them and yet got hardly any stick and what do they have in common? As a fan, the stick certain players get makes me feel uncomfortable but I have had to accept this and I take great pleasure aiming my adoration for Guly in the face of the nearest mong every time he scores. I have no doubt that some posters will disagree with my view. Fine. It is just my opinion based on hundreds of incidents over the past few seasons and I do not accept this is just coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 IMO there are gentle racist undertones around the ground and that explains the abuse. Think about the other players that have consistently been given stick over the past five years or so and what do most of them have in common? Also think about some of the players they played with who were much worse than them and yet got hardly any stick and what do they have in common? As a fan, the stick certain players get makes me feel uncomfortable but I have had to accept this and I take great pleasure aiming my adoration for Guly in the face of the nearest mong every time he scores. I have no doubt that some posters will disagree with my view. Fine. It is just my opinion based on hundreds of incidents over the past few seasons and I do not accept this is just coincidence. They were all saints players?.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 He didn't have a great game last night. But neither did Cork, Fonte, Morgan or Barnard. They didn't get any stick at all and I don't see any threads on how garbage they are. Just leave him be as he's having a good seasonmaybe because Fonte had his best game of the season, Cork was our best midfielder in the first half, and Morgan performed quite well out wide (where he clearly is not comfortable) and grabbed hold the game after half time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA77 Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Wasn't his debut last season in the JPT vs swindon? Going by our genius fans he was garbage before he kicked a ball. He strolls around, and most of the time he is unchallenged and pops up with a goal/assist. He is fantastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 IMO there are gentle racist undertones around the ground and that explains the abuse. Overheard a guy near-ish to me suggesting he would "bring Guly a bag of bananas" for the next home game, nothing particularly subtle about that I'm afraid. Not to suggest that the abuse directed at Guly is inherently racist, but I have no doubt that there's still an unhealthy undercurrent of it in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Overheard a guy near-ish to me suggesting he would "bring Guly a bag of bananas" for the next home game, nothing particularly subtle about that I'm afraid. Not to suggest that the abuse directed at Guly is inherently racist, but I have no doubt that there's still an unhealthy undercurrent of it in football. bet the same nob was jumping up down singing "who R ya" when Guly scored though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 There are always those who go to the football to big themselves up by attempting to bring a player down. They are sad. I remember at the start of the season some 14 year old in front of me saying he couldn't understand why Kelvin was still in the squad. According to him, Kel was too old and only ever a league one keeper. Little twerp got an ear-full from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 I am a very big Guly fan,but the thing that really disappointed me was the fact that his mind seemed totally elsewhere,for virtually the whole match last night. I have no problem with any player having an off night,if they show willing. For the record quite a few of the players have been pretty ordinary in the last couple of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 I am a very big Guly fan,but the thing that really disappointed me was the fact that his mind seemed totally elsewhere,for virtually the whole match last night. I have no problem with any player having an off night,if they show willing. For the record quite a few of the players have been pretty ordinary in the last couple of games. A few days ago he was on a tram in Croydon. He's still in shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 maybe because Fonte had his best game of the season, Cork was our best midfielder in the first half, and Morgan performed quite well out wide (where he clearly is not comfortable) and grabbed hold the game after half time. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 The people who moan about Guly are the same ones who would moan if he left us and was doing well at another club, saying why did we sell him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 He couldn't look less bothered about scoring on the highlights on Saints player. Maybe you lot groaning every time he touched the ball has gotten to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 He was very frustrating at times last night, but overall a decent performance. The thing that irked me about him was his negative body language and not going for the second ball when he lost possession. I've noticed that he's not been going in for those second balls in the last couple of home games... either he's carrying a slight knock or he needs to get a bit more stuck in up front. During the Brighton game he was charging around up front and chasing down balls, but last night he was very subdued and was dropping a lot deeper rather than putting any pressure on the defence. I think he's a great player to have in the squad and he's been fantastic this season, but there are little tweaks he can make to his game and his demeanour which would endear himself more to fans to get behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Completely and utterly agree, mate. I can only assume that a lot of the stick that he gets is from people that don't really understand football (there are plenty of those in block 42 of the northam). Last night he had a bad game by his standards, but he gets moans and groans every game it seems. Even when he was voted MOTM on here a couple of weeks ago, i remember him getting him abused constantly throughout the game. Fact is, some fans need someone to hate and moan about. Usually, that player is a 'flair' as they can be frustrating in any side. Looking back, over the past couple of seasons, Fernandes, Fuller, Puncheon all got similar stick. Good points, however to mention Puncheon in the same breath is not a worthy point, unless of course you are aluding to Puncheons prowess at hitting the Video screen a record number of times when in clear shooting opportunities. Guly is DC compared to Puncheon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 The people who moan about Guly are the same ones who would moan if he left us and was doing well at another club, saying why did we sell him! There is a HUGE difference between the people who moan at Guly in general, and who moaned about Guly last night. I think some people are forgetting that. He has been immense for most of the season, but was poor at the weekend and poor last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 what's to argue?...he's our second-highest scorer this season !.... (and pretty good on assists too), I believe Is that a reason that he ...shouldn't.... be playing every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 what's to argue?...he's our second-highest scorer this season !.... (and pretty good on assists too), I believe Is that a reason that he ...shouldn't.... be playing every game. FFS. Yes, he's been good this season. But he was rubbish on Saturday and last night. Not because of his skill level, but because of his LACK OF EFFORT AND POOR ATTITUDE. If any player in a saints shirt just gave up, stopped working for the side, started moaning at the bench to get subbed, and not even paying attention to what was going on in the game, people would get on their back. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 FFS. Yes, he's been good this season. But he was rubbish on Saturday and last night. Not because of his skill level, but because of his LACK OF EFFORT AND POOR ATTITUDE. If any player in a saints shirt just gave up, stopped working for the side, started moaning at the bench to get subbed, and not even paying attention to what was going on in the game, people would get on their back. End of. WELL...according to most assessments Lallana had a terrible game v Bristol City, but no-one is suggesting we drop him ..are they ? ..and against Hull they both scored ...eh ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singeon Sears Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 It's all about the sum of the parts for me. The reason we are top of the league is because of Guly. It's also because of Hammond, Cork, Richardson and so on. People bleat on and on about work rate completing forgetting that a successful team requires all the right elements - we've got about the best work rate in the league. That's why somebody like Guly is so vital - 7 assists and 7 goals tells it own story. If we had 11 work horses we'd be - mid table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 WELL...according to most assessments Lallana had a terrible game v Bristol City, but no-one is suggesting we drop him ..are they ? ..and against Hull they both scored ...eh ! who exactly is suggesting that Guly be dropped? No one on this thread. There are far too many precious fans on this forum that don't want little jonny criticised. Also fans that do have a dig at a player are not necessarily thick they just have an opinion and one that might actually be accurate. One last thing, just because a player scores it doesn't mean they played well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 WELL...according to most assessments Lallana had a terrible game v Bristol City, but no-one is suggesting we drop him ..are they ? ..and against Hull they both scored ...eh ! Difference being that Lallana works hard and moves into space, Guly is far happier to drop deep from the forward line and receive the ball rather than making runs in behind the defence. Quite often, that can be misconstrued as laziness on Guly's part - but last night he was a passenger at times and didn't run at all, whether to drop deep or go in behind the defence. That coupled with very negative body language and no attempts at recovering second balls in important areas (something that was very evident against Bristol City as well, even from the highlights) have caused people to get on his back a bit. He's still an integral part of the team, but he either needs a rest to get some energy back into his game or sort his f*cking attitude out, because we can't have two static players up front, especially if there's no Chaplow/SDR in the side to run in off them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 IMO there are gentle racist undertones around the ground and that explains the abuse. Think about the other players that have consistently been given stick over the past five years or so and what do most of them have in common? Also think about some of the players they played with who were much worse than them and yet got hardly any stick and what do they have in common? As a fan, the stick certain players get makes me feel uncomfortable but I have had to accept this and I take great pleasure aiming my adoration for Guly in the face of the nearest mong every time he scores. I have no doubt that some posters will disagree with my view. Fine. It is just my opinion based on hundreds of incidents over the past few seasons and I do not accept this is just coincidence. Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 One discussion is how good Guly actually is - does he deserve a place in the team. From this thread it appears that there is a general consensus that he adds something special to the team and that he is an important player. The other discussion is whether you should boo a player who is not really having a good game, and I guess it's down to personal preference. I would never boo one of my own players, simply because I would worry if my desire to vent my frustrations would actually further the problems on the pitch. I'd rather show support for a player who is off the boil and then note his reaction - if the crowd can fire him up, then we're really the 12th man... That said, it is possible that some players react better to criticism than support - I just don't think Guly is one of them. Oh, and looking at the extended highlights from yesterday it seems to me that there was something wrong with Guly - he really didn't celebrate his goal much and showed visible frustration at times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 The other discussion is whether you should boo a player who is not really having a good game, no one wants to drop him and no one booed him either. There were merely groans after yet another terrible touch. Fully justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 no one wants to drop him I agree, it's just being dragged in as part of the discussion even if - as you say -no one really wants to drop him. no one booed him either. There were merely groans after yet another terrible touch. Fully justified. Ok, I understood that he was being booed. Thinking of it, I must have confused this with the general booing of the team at half time. Fair point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singeon Sears Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 It looked to me that Guly was told to hold a line right up against the central defenders - I'd guess to allow our midfield as much space as possible to play in. From watching him this season he looks most comfortable as the forward that drops off, something he rarely, or was asked to do, did last night. Dropping off is also something Lambert likes to do, if both forwards do it you risk the space in the middle of the park dissappearing. So the tactics we right but it probably didn't allow either Guly or Lambert to optimise their own games. But Guly will have to accomodate such things like most players have to, no doubt in other games he'll get more of a free role. That said he played up front and scored - job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 He couldn't look less bothered about scoring on the highlights on Saints player. Maybe you lot groaning every time he touched the ball has gotten to him? Just got round to watching the highlights back and noticed this as well. Couldn't have been more different to his normal reaction. Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Just got round to watching the highlights back and noticed this as well. Couldn't have been more different to his normal reaction. Weird. When he came off Adkins looked to be making a bigger effort than usual to make a fuss of him and pick him up. He did look pretty unhappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 He definitely had a strop on about something. Numerous times when the ball didn't get to him he threw his arms around in a sulk, and when he scored he just looked miffed. Hope it was just a one off as we need him enjoying his football and happy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Some have lost the ability to cut players some slack, people react after one game and forget what they have achieved in the proceeding games. Fonte made a mistake and mugs on here wanted him dropped even after what he has given us this and last season. Booing and groaning is disgraceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 maybe because Fonte had his best game of the season, Cork was our best midfielder in the first half, and Morgan performed quite well out wide (where he clearly is not comfortable) and grabbed hold the game after half time. Agree completely - I was surprised when Cork didn't come out but it was a tactical change that worked. Guly seems to respond to positivity though - some players need to 'feel the love' and whilst I understand the collective frustration that produces the moans it's just not going to help. Looking at the stats, looking further down the list - we have a talented bunch here...Guly though, has the ability to change things in an instant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Just got round to watching the highlights back and noticed this as well. Couldn't have been more different to his normal reaction. Weird. When he came off Adkins looked to be making a bigger effort than usual to make a fuss of him and pick him up. He did look pretty unhappy. He definitely had a strop on about something. Numerous times when the ball didn't get to him he threw his arms around in a sulk, and when he scored he just looked miffed. Hope it was just a one off as we need him enjoying his football and happy here. Maybe he's been tapped up and we've told him he can't go to Barca until the summer...... ...or maybe he was just having a bad day (bust up with the misses, big bill for the flashy sports car, etc) like we all do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Some have lost the ability to cut players some slack, people react after one game and forget what they have achieved in the proceeding games. Fonte made a mistake and mugs on here wanted him dropped even after what he has given us this and last season. Booing and groaning is disgraceful. Booing ok. Groaning is normally invoulantry. I've done it it's not aimed at the player more the situation. When a pass that you think will put someone through on goal doesn't come off it's just an automatic thing I find. Of course when 25,000 people do it it and the same time it's quite audible.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tttdcs Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Maybe he's been tapped up and we've told him he can't go to Barca until the summer...... ...or maybe he was just having a bad day (bust up with the misses, big bill for the flashy sports car, etc) like we all do... or Serie A clubs after him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Booing ok. Groaning is normally invoulantry. I've done it it's not aimed at the player more the situation. When a pass that you think will put someone through on goal doesn't come off it's just an automatic thing I find. Of course when 25,000 people do it it and the same time it's quite audible.... Maybe the default reaction should be encouragement, after all you could see what he was trying to do. Im involved in a little football thing and its all about encouraging each other and ninot knocking anyone, utter makes a great positive environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Maybe the default reaction should be encouragement, after all you could see what he was trying to do. Im involved in a little football thing and its all about encouraging each other and ninot knocking anyone, utter makes a great positive environment. Thats my point it just happens there is no conscious attempt to have ago at any player it's just a sharp outake /intake of breath to realese frustration I'm not the only one and when 20K people do it it sounds loud. I'll cheer the team on appluad players on and off the pitch never booed saints in my life so I don't feel I'm lacking in the encouragment stakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Just got round to watching the highlights back and noticed this as well. Couldn't have been more different to his normal reaction. Weird. Quite, noticed it at the time and was a little puzzled. He responded a lot more positively after Lallana's goal though. Think we can chalk it up as an off-day and move on - mind you I'm not too bothered if he continues having 'off' days and scoring, so long as it's not disrupting the rest of the team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 (edited) who exactly is suggesting that Guly be dropped? No one on this thread. There are far too many precious fans on this forum that don't want little jonny criticised. Also fans that do have a dig at a player are not necessarily thick they just have an opinion and one that might actually be accurate. One last thing, just because a player scores it doesn't mean they played well.[/QUOTE] I don't disagree with any of those points Chez, but at the end of the 90 minutes, the contribution of a player who scored a goal(especially one that helped get the points)... is worth as much, as that of one who ran his a** off and didn't. The " laid-back " South-American " style / Body language often gets lots of criticism in Britain. Very few have got unanimous acceptance, whereas the muddied, bloodied hero who runs his heart out, yet hardly ever scores... seems to better represent the English football fans psyche (?) As as far as I can see there hasn't been a single player who hasn't come in for severe criticism at some time, or another this season. Guly is our second highest scorer, has given almost as many assists and still get criticised by some.(?) .and for the record, I don't think I'm in print suggesting that ANYONE is thick, but I do think that some " critical opinions " are a bit-short-sighted. Edited 1 December, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Guly has done alright for us and he's well worth his place. However, should the rest of this season go as well as our start, then I fear that next season, against better/sharper opposition, we're going to get punished for all those misplaced passes and lazy tackels that to be fair are a part of his game. But that's a problem for another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Difference being that Lallana works hard and moves into space, Guly is far happier to drop deep from the forward line and receive the ball rather than making runs in behind the defence. Quite often, that can be misconstrued as laziness on Guly's part - but last night he was a passenger at times and didn't run at all, whether to drop deep or go in behind the defence. That coupled with very negative body language and no attempts at recovering second balls in important areas (something that was very evident against Bristol City as well, even from the highlights) have caused people to get on his back a bit. He's still an integral part of the team, but he either needs a rest to get some energy back into his game or sort his f*cking attitude out, because we can't have two static players up front, especially if there's no Chaplow/SDR in the side to run in off them. You're right ...and everyone has " a bad day at the office " now and again...but as far as I can see some of the criticism might well be directed to NA who might have thought twice before subbing the injured Chaplow with Schneiderlin - instead of the more agressive goal-poaching SDR. Despite his excellent passing game / possession play, Schneiderlin lacks the aggression / and goalscoring prowess (of Chaplow and De Ridder) especially when playing away against a side determined to get 9 men behind the ball instead. We needed someone to take on the deefnce, not play keep ball. I think a couple of people also mentioned that Lambert was " almost invisible ", too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 (edited) There are always those who go to the football to big themselves up by attempting to bring a player down. They are sad. I remember at the start of the season some 14 year old in front of me saying he couldn't understand why Kelvin was still in the squad. According to him, Kel was too old and only ever a league one keeper. Little twerp got an ear-full from me. Of course that's purely a " teenage thing ". They think 26 is almost "pensioner-status", but it's when most good players are just " beginning " to peak. AS for the Kev is too old remark, from my many years experience, the " genuinely good" goalies under 30.. could be counted on one hand. Nowadays, keepers seem to get better in their mid 30's (look at the Prem.) Edwin Van der Sar didn't join MU till he was past 35, and Antti Niemi was around 33.. when he left SFC and went to Fulham, and the likes of current GK like Shay Given aren't spring-chickens either. NO sorry (young lad). When you get a bit older you'll see that experience counts for a lot more. Edited 1 December, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Just watched the full 90mins highlights and in the cold light of day, thought Guly was neat and tidy. Was a bit more static than usual but hull played the offside trap very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 You only need to attend one game and listen to the comments to know about 30% of the crowd have no idea how we play. We're 2-1 up or 2-0 up and we're holding the ball beautifully and we have a chorus of morons baying for players to hoof the ball upfield!!! Conveniently forgetting that the one time the opposition cannnot score is if WE have the ball. I wonder how many times in the build up to the 27-passes-goal players were yelled at to get the ball forward quicker... Thankfully the manager and players seem deaf! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazzerMaBoy Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Guly = 7 league goals Lambert = 12 league goals..... 5 of which were penalties. Looks like a pretty good record to me...!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Annoying thing with Guly is he clearly does produce and for that he is worth having in the team. Especially at home he is unplayable at times. Just on occasions away from home, hes anonymous for 85 minutes. Generally if Guly has a bad game then we struggle to break a team down. When Guly has had his best games, we've probably scored 3 or more goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 He's the difference, and one of the key reasons for our success, in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 Guly = 7 league goals Lambert = 12 league goals..... 5 of which were penalties. Looks like a pretty good record to me...!!! Or another way to look at it: Joint 7th highest scorer in the league (and he was playing RM for a while) Joint 2nd in the league for assists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 I disagree with most of this. I rate Guly, see what he brings to the side and haven't criticised him at all on here before, but he was terrible last night and his body language suggested he wasn't interested. . I'm glad we've got him, but from watching the highlights on saintsplayer I'd have to agree with Chez on the bodylanguage and less than normal performance. He didn't even seem particularly pleased when he scored! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 December, 2011 Share Posted 1 December, 2011 I'm glad we've got him, but from watching the highlights on saintsplayer I'd have to agree with Chez on the bodylanguage and less than normal performance. He didn't even seem particularly pleased when he scored! Probably just hates the thought of the onset of winter....I know do. Mind you we're pretty lucky this year, last year by now we were in all the snow,ice and big sub zero temperatures, this year it's pretty mild for 1st December. Guly wouldn't have liked last winter,weren't we already in the 2nd Ice Age in early december with matches being postponed left right and centre? The thought of another one like that must be depressing for him.Probably already been on to the PFA hotline...mind you it seems mainly to be for gamblers who've lost their last 10 years earnings in a flutter on the nags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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