georgeweahscousin Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 I was really frustrated with the attitude of the crowd to Guly last night. Yes, not his best game. But his link up play was still quality, and he worked hard tracking back etc. The reaction to when he misplaces a pass or loses the ball compared to anyone else is disgraceful. The guy is class and despite not at his best, still got us back in the game. When Lambert misplaces a pass it's, "unlucky", Guly - massive collective groan and a minute of slagging him off. I don't understand the constant criticism? Some people around me were relentless. I heard him called "****", "usless", "waste of space" etc. Do people really think that? I would suggest they understand very little of the dynamics of the game if they do. Sorry to rant, but felt the reaction to him last night was considerably unfair, and did not constitute "support" in anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Agreed. Guly didn't have his best game last night, and to be honest, I thought his workrate was pretty average as well. But everyone has off days, and the last thing we should do is get on their backs when they're not performing on the odd occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Probably just symptomatic of the type of player he is. He is frustrating by his very nature, so when things do not go in our favour he will be an easy scapegoat.... even though he is capable of popping up at just the right moment to make a difference. Puncheon was very similar but with a far-far worse team ethic. Personally I am quite glad Guly had the chance to establish himself in a winning team otherwise I fear he could easily have been pushed out in the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesb Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Well Said sir. Quite a few of our fans seem to be muppets with no idea of how football should be played! Another home performance, another goal. They guy has more quality than most players in the squad! Some fans obviouisly just like to see the square simple ball all the time! Not sure how they we think we are meant to score with how some teams are setting up against us. Guly along with Lallana and Lambert are the 3 players most likely to unlock these defences, end of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfc Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Assists: 7 - joint 2nd in the Championship Goals: 7 - 2nd Saint after Lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallington Saint Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Guly often doesn't have his 'best game' , but some how still manages a goal or vital assist. Alot of what he does is very subtle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 30 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Sam Dobson just tweeted these:- http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalAssists/0,,10794~20117,00.html http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalScorers/0,,10794~20117,00.html And people want him dropped..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Sam Dobson just tweeted these:- http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalAssists/0,,10794~20117,00.html http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalScorers/0,,10794~20117,00.html And people want him dropped..... This is why Nigel Adkins is manager, not SaintsWeb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 30 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Lambert was poor last night. Where is the reaction for him to be dropped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Last night he suffered from a very wayward Lino on the Kingsland wing, who's flagging was a bit off the mark at times much to the frustration of both sets of players and the cue for groaning at Guly, in fact there was a Peter Waltonesque moment again in our favour when a Hull player was flagged offside despite even being face on 3 of our defenders we playing him on. Funny we use to have a player who could be anonymous for 75 minutes of a game but for those 15 in which he turned it on boy was was he special, but we have a player in Guly who can be both sublime and lazy within minutes of each other but he pops up and scores some very key goals when required, as far as I am concerned he is a luxury we can afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 He didn't look his best last night IMO, he wasn't full of energy like his usual self either. But was still a constant threat, and yes, it gets on my nerves the constant baiting of him in the stands it really does. Lambert, Cork and Fonte all had reletively poor games last night, but they never get the criticism that Guly gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Was saying the same last night. Quite a few people were having a go at him, some of it completely unjustified. Yes it's irritating when he miscontrolls the bal or runs into players and loses possession but all our players do it, not just him. Some of our supporters would seemingly prefer a worse footballer who runs around more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Totally agree, so many people go to games not having played or any idea about skill etc. He pops up with goals and links up the play and that is price less in a team. Hes a player that can make something out of nothing and thats a good thing. His work rate might be a bit questionable but we need players of all types to make a balanced team. His role isnt to run about and win the ball back, hes a link man and he does that job well. Still drop him as we are under-performing in the league and he is holding us back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Was saying the same last night. Quite a few people were having a go at him, some of it completely unjustified. Yes it's irritating when he miscontrolls the bal or runs into players and loses possession but all our players do it, not just him. Some of our supporters would seemingly prefer a worse footballer who runs around more. Quite, the frustration can be understandable though with a player who can produce moments of such sublime beauty and then immediately follow it with a complete clusterf**k! As said above though, he is a luxury we most certainly can afford! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 From where i was sat in the kingsland, his "link up play" wasn't great, his work rate wasn't great either. I remember one incident in the second half where he actually chased the opposition and put in a tackle, and he got decent round of applause from everyone to try and actually encourage him. In fact, his attitude was shocking last night if his body language was to be believed. If a pass didn't fall straight to his feet, numerous times he was giving it verbally to a team mate or shrugging his shoulders to excuse his lack of effort in reaching the ball. He wound me up something rotten last night and I certainly think a game on the bench would give him a vital wake up call. Out of his goals, many of them are simple tap ins etc and these certainly don't detract from the overall poor performance and attitude he is displaying on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Sam Dobson just tweeted these:- http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalAssists/0,,10794~20117,00.html http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalScorers/0,,10794~20117,00.html And people want him dropped..... Guly's an enigma. To some extent I can understand the frustration (there was one moment where a high cross came over and he simply refused to chase it down - the defender was very slow off the mark and could easily have been pick-pocketed), but his abilities are such an asset to the team. I guess some of the criticism would be silenced if he always looked 100% interested, but it seems that many ignore the large amounts of tracking he does do - more than Lambert at times. Yes, he does sometimes lose possession with his flick-ons, but mostly they're very intelligent and a whisker away from coming off. Last night there was a real reluctance to go forward at times from Saints. Though Guly's touch was off it's normally one of his assets and I appluad the attempt to unlock defences when the rest of the team weren't going for it. Another point from those stats - the delivery from our full backs is fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 30 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Sometimes I think he suffers from being too intelligent a player for others in the team. He will play a ball that his teammates don't react to, and then everyone groans because it looks like a misplaced pass. His vision is clear to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born In The 80s Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Completely and utterly agree, mate. I can only assume that a lot of the stick that he gets is from people that don't really understand football (there are plenty of those in block 42 of the northam). Last night he had a bad game by his standards, but he gets moans and groans every game it seems. Even when he was voted MOTM on here a couple of weeks ago, i remember him getting him abused constantly throughout the game. Fact is, some fans need someone to hate and moan about. Usually, that player is a 'flair' as they can be frustrating in any side. Looking back, over the past couple of seasons, Fernandes, Fuller, Puncheon all got similar stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 I was really frustrated with the attitude of the crowd to Guly last night. Yes, not his best game. But his link up play was still quality, and he worked hard tracking back etc. The reaction to when he misplaces a pass or loses the ball compared to anyone else is disgraceful. The guy is class and despite not at his best, still got us back in the game. When Lambert misplaces a pass it's, "unlucky", Guly - massive collective groan and a minute of slagging him off. I don't understand the constant criticism? Some people around me were relentless. I heard him called "****", "usless", "waste of space" etc. Do people really think that? I would suggest they understand very little of the dynamics of the game if they do. Sorry to rant, but felt the reaction to him last night was considerably unfair, and did not constitute "support" in anyway. You will realise sooner or later in your life that the majority of football fans are thick as f**k! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 It was his attitude that was the problem. After 70 minutes, when he thought he was getting subbed but wasn't, he spent the rest of the game signalling to the bench, or with his face in his shirt, and not even watching the game. In the 2nd half his workrate was awful. He looked like he didn't want to be there. Fans will always appreciate hard work, and will get on player's backs if they're not doing their bit. Yes Guly scored and had a few good touches, but he could be so much better if he put the effort in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Assists: 7 - joint 2nd in the Championship Goals: 7 - 2nd Saint after Lambert Says it all really... Guly adds great value to this squad - He might drift in and out of games from time to time, but hell so does Rooney, Drogba and most others.. Get behind him FFS ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Can't believe a player who contributes so much, gets so much stick from fans. He's been one of our best players this season, even when he's not at his best he is capable of changing the game. Last night wasn't his greatest performance, but he still scored. Regardless of what people think of him though, nobody should be getting on his back and moaning. Supporters are meant to support their players. Shame we have so many fans who can't wait to have a moan, even though we are top of the league. You can't argue with the stats, but the fact Nigel Adkins rates him high enough to start him every week is good enough for me. Think Sour Mash is right though, a lot of football fans are complete idiots unfortunately. I've been at games where Steve De Ridder has given the ball away much more than Guly ever does (Palace away anyone?) yet he can do nothing wrong in the eyes of most. Guly on the other hand will be abused every time a pass goes astray. We should be getting behind all of our players, even if they aren't playing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA77 Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 A couple of tards near me kept on slagging him off (even straight after he scored). They were a right pair of nerdy fat c**ts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Not saying he should get abuse but he gets abuse for a reason though. Not just because he's a scapegoat. Many people only allow themselves to see the times when he gives the ball away by trying to be too clever or looks far too casual while others are busting a gut. This does happen a lot. But when you way it up against the moments of class he should be be given a break. If it wasn't for these then everyone would be on his back when he gives the ball away etc. Some just can't appreciate that he is a different style of player to all the other players in the team and recognise what a massive benefit that is to us at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadiz saint Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Lets have players who run around like headless chickens and applaud the supporters, that will get us promotion, won't it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 It's a complete myth that Guly doesn't work hard either. Some need to watch him more closely, he's always chasing from the front/tracking back etc. Think he might have been carrying a bit of a knock last night too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Sam Dobson just tweeted these:- http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalAssists/0,,10794~20117,00.html http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalScorers/0,,10794~20117,00.html And people want him dropped..... Four Saints players in the top ten assists. Impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Guly is Marmite..............I like Marmite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Lambert was poor last night. Where is the reaction for him to be dropped? ???? no he wasn't. HTBH and say Lambert has come in for loads of stick over the last few seasons too people were calling for him to be dropped early last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willo Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 the comments about Guly's apparent lack of consistency, but his ability to create a key assist, or score a goal match after match got me thinking of Le Tiss. I wonder whether Matt would have sufferred similar reactions as Guly had he been playing in the internet-forum age? All hypothetical of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 I can remember people slagging off le tiss,calling him a lazy bstard before him banging one in from 30yards. Of course Guly isnt in the same league but i really cant see the need for the constant barracking. I think his goals and assists speak for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 the comments about Guly's apparent lack of consistency, but his ability to create a key assist, or score a goal match after match got me thinking of Le Tiss. I wonder whether Matt would have sufferred similar reactions as Guly had he been playing in the internet-forum age? All hypothetical of course... Reckon he would have. People would feel very stupid this long after though. As they might with Guly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Like a lot of naturally talented players Guly is enigmatic and instinctive but nobody can argue that he doesn't add value to the team. We have workers in Cork and Hammond that balance him out. For me there is one thing that would give him more value, when Davis aims for Lambert he often doesn't get ready for the inevitable flick on. As soon as Davis kicks the ball he should be running into the appropriate channel to receive the flick on, but he is often stood watching to see what happens next. Strikers should always gamble and make the run every time as sooner or later the ball will drop for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 As others have said, the guy has class and brings variety to the team which is a big plus because it confuses opponents, unfortunately it confuses some fans as well, the uncomfortable is that he is our only black player and he's the one that gets the stick when things aren't perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Assists: 7 - joint 2nd in the Championship Goals: 7 - 2nd Saint after Lambert I wonder if people just don't remember the assists as they are not as spectacular as Frazer Richardson's, for example. I certainly thought Richardson had more. But before slagging Guly off, people should ask themselves whether the team is better with or without him. Oh hang on, that requires thinking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 He's a marmite type of player. He has insane ability on the ball if he's in the mood and has the space, but if he's closed down quickly then he starts to look a little clumsey. But still in every game he's a threat, he's one of those unpredictable characters - he could either trip over his feet, or dribble through 3 players and score! that's the beauty of him... I think he's a match winner and that's why he's a pretty regular fixture in the 11 - he's had many more good games than bad this year anyway, and he looks at total ease in the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 I am at times vocal in my criticism of Guly. When a pass bounces off him to an opposition player, when he seems to be out of position making little effort to cover and (most frustratingly for me) when a good cross comes in and he rises to meet the ball and it glances off to go tamely wide are some examples. Why shouldn't I criticise? Would you have that we all sit tamely clapping and pointing out the good? It sounds a bit under 8's to me. Nothing wrong with a bit of passion and desire ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Yes, not his best game. But his link up play was still quality, and he worked hard tracking back etc. The reaction to when he misplaces a pass or loses the ball compared to anyone else is disgraceful. The guy is class and despite not at his best, still got us back in the game. I disagree with most of this. I rate Guly, see what he brings to the side and haven't criticised him at all on here before, but he was terrible last night and his body language suggested he wasn't interested. He put very little effort in at all IMO. He was stationary for almost all the first half. He did jog about the in the second but he hardly put a shift in. To describe his link up play was quality is madness. His first five touches were mis-controls and under-hit lay offs. He improved margionally, but he was never convincing. Everyone has those days, but when things are going badly you have to up your work rate. Usually when he ****s up he sprints to redeem himself. Last night he just sulked. IMO we carried him and if he had been subbed after 25 minutes I wouldn't have blinked twice. Personally I felt the crowd were extremely patient with him. After about the 8th poor control they groaned, but why not, that's his job, that's what he gets paid for and that's what is expected at this level. We're not watching pub football here. Let me put this to you, if we'd been bottom and he had put that kind of display in he'd of been booed off the park. Moan over. I look forward to him playing well in the next game and will get behind him just as I did last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 I thought it looked like he was carrying a knock last night. If it wasn't for Lamberts injury and the need for speed at half time I think he would have been subbed earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Why shouldn't I criticise? Would you have that we all sit tamely clapping and pointing out the good? It sounds a bit under 8's to me. Nothing wrong with a bit of passion and desire ffs I understand where you're coming from, but hold back next time there's a mistake and really listen to the sound emanating from the crowd. It's horrible. That negativity transfers to the pitch and doesn't help anybody, else booing the team off at half-time would be a gainful response. Grumbling and moaning isn't passion, sticking with the team and geeing them up is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 When he's good he's great but when he's having an off night he is pretty bad. Last night I was frustrated with him purely because he is so casual. His work rate is pretty poor as well compared to other's in the team. It just seems that his head drops a little when some of his little touches and flicks don't come off. Dropping him however, would be madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Perhaps Guly is just playing too many matches. After RL he's the player with the most game time on the counter.Think he's missed just 1 match in some role or other. Only RL and MS have participated in all the matches and Morgan hasn't started anywhere near as many as Guly.This is why SDR needs to step up and become a starting candidate instead of a 30/45 minutes bit player, then again he's never been much of a 90 minute man from what I can gather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 I do not think the crowd got at him but it is difficult not to groan when you make a serier of very basic f**k ups not worthy of the parks. He was cheered after his goal and when he went off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailOB Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 I disagree with most of this. I rate Guly, see what he brings to the side and haven't criticised him at all on here before, but he was terrible last night and his body language suggested he wasn't interested. He put very little effort in at all IMO. He was stationary for almost all the first half. He did jog about the in the second but he hardly put a shift in. To describe his link up play was quality is madness. His first five touches were mis-controls and under-hit lay offs. He improved margionally, but he was never convincing. Everyone has those days, but when things are going badly you have to up your work rate. Usually when he ****s up he sprints to redeem himself. Last night he just sulked. IMO we carried him and if he had been subbed after 25 minutes I wouldn't have blinked twice. Personally I felt the crowd were extremely patient with him. After about the 8th poor control they groaned, but why not, that's his job, that's what he gets paid for and that's what is expected at this level. We're not watching pub football here. Let me put this to you, if we'd been bottom and he had put that kind of display in he'd of been booed off the park. Moan over. I look forward to him playing well in the next game and will get behind him just as I did last night. Thats about how I rated his performance last night That said, didn't give me any cause to boo him - how can you boo anyone with the way the team are performing this year ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 I think Guly is actually one of our most effective players in terms of being a catalyst and making things happen. It's these moments which create and score the goals which win matches. This is English football however, where workrate is elevated above all else by the average punter and will confuse demeanor and running effort (with often an " ah almost" end product) with actual result. To be honest Guly plays in England and as such fans have the right to express their opinion based on the football culture they have known and been part of for ever. If Guly ever wanted to win a popularity contest he would need to change his football mentality. I'm just glad Adkins picks the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Had loads of morons around me moaning about him as always. He's class and I guarantee we wouldn't be top of the league without him. He doesnt do himself any favours with his body language sometimes but it seems all British fans want is a player that runs and runs all day but can't trap a bag of cement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Had loads of morons around me moaning about him as always. He's class and I guarantee we wouldn't be top of the league without him. He doesnt do himself any favours with his body language sometimes but it seems all British fans want is a player that runs and runs all day but can't trap a bag of cement. he might be class and we might not be where we are without his displays, but last night he was garbage. Many fans can handle a low work rate but class act, but if the class act is not showing any class then what are you left with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 He gets way more stick much easier than other players, but then gets a lot of praise when he does stuff... it's really extreme swings with him. Little patience by the fans for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 he might be class and we might not be where we are without his displays, but last night he was garbage. Many fans can handle a low work rate but class act, but if the class act is not showing any class then what are you left with? He didn't have a great game last night. But neither did Cork, Fonte, Morgan or Barnard. They didn't get any stick at all and I don't see any threads on how garbage they are. Just leave him be as he's having a good season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 I would put money on the theory that Guly was carrying a strain last night which would explain why he was not putting himself out. He did fall akwardly near the centre circle and looked to have pulled a groin muscle. he was looking to be subbed I think - starting running to the touchline before he reliased that it was Lamert that De Ridder was replacing. When he was subbed for Barnard later he got a thumping on the back from both Adkins and Cole suggesting he done exactly what they wanted. Maybe his role last night was just to keep a couple of defenders busy and create room for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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