Danbert Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Was this proposal actually adopted by the FL? The FL League rules are here: http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20110629/section-3-the-league_2293633_2125717 under Section 12.3 Sporting Sanctions. I can't be arsed to look through them properly, but in skimming them I couldn't find any mention of a 2 strikes in three years and your out rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 The Football league are probably trying to re-write their own rule-book so as not to punish them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 The "proposed rule" states "two admins in a three year period" as a company, not "two admins whilst a Football League Club". "The Football League has announced plans to revolutionise the game outside the Premiership." As a company yes, but also whilst under the Football League rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 They're going dowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn, They're going dowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn, They're going dowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn, They're going dowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn, Pompeys going down with no money in the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Brendan Guilfoyle on SSN - "Well the transfer window is coming up, so we can always cover losses with player sales". (Paraphrasing...) Who's worth anything that they have? Huskelepp? Kitson? Lawrence? With such a small squad, they can't really afford to lose many more players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 And the people that ruled Portsmouth just departed Chairman as a "fit and proper" person to own a football club will be suitably admonished? Ultimately, I'm not entirely sure what the FA/Premier League/Football League are really able to do about that situation, to be honest. It was perfectly legal for Vladimir Antonov, under the name of Convers Sports Initiatives PLC, to purchase Portsmouth FC from the administrators. He wasn't banned from owning a company or from being a director of a company, and the legal system in this country largely works on the basis that you are innocent until proven guilty. Once he has got ownership of the club, there's not a cat in hell's chance the Football League are going to say "sorry, we don't like the look of you, therefore we're revoking Pompey's membership" - it simply wouldn't happen. Just think of the ****storm that would create, a relatively powerless organisation uses a few blog posts and rumours as the basis for kicking a football club with a core support of 11,000 fans into the wilderness. While the idea of the (now-titled) Owners and Directors Test is a noble one, it simply doesn't work in practice as the Football League (or indeed the Premier League, despite their seeming belief that they are above the law) has no legal power to say who can and cannot own a UK company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 FAO mods. Can't you do a thread that just you post on with the FACTS so I don't have to read through all this b/llocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 (edited) Brendan Guilfoyle on SSN - "Well the transfer window is coming up, so we can always cover losses with player sales". (Paraphrasing...) Who's worth anything that they have? Huskelepp? Kitson? Lawrence? With such a small squad, they can't really afford to lose many more players. they'll get loan players in, just as they always do.Haven't they just got 2 young loanees from West Brom,probably paying less than half of their wages.Probably got some compensation from Forest for Cotterill as well.They'll get by because they always do,that's what's so firking annoying about them. Edited 29 November, 2011 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Guilfoyle on SSN: "It's the parent company, not the Club, in administration. Points deduction would be harsh. The Club will be fine." (words to that effect anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Guilfoyle on SSN: "It's the parent company, not the Club, in administration. Points deduction would be harsh. The Club will be fine." (words to that effect anyway) Didn't they say that about us, but Mawhinney said the two were intrinically linked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Didn't they say that about us, but Mawhinney said the two were intrinically linked? because SLH had no other activities. Everything was linked to SFC. CSI seems to have other sources of income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 because SLH had no other activities. Everything was linked to SFC. CSI seems to have other sources of income. Or, more accurately, other ways to lose money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 because SLH had no other activities. Everything was linked to SFC. CSI seems to have other sources of income. Well I can't see it washing. If they allow them to fiddle it then it will set a model that any club can copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Chuckle Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Cortese said before when Skates went in to Admin "If they don't get a points deduction we will have our 10 points back" I'm sure he will be ready to sue The FL if they get away with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Well I can't see it washing. If they allow them to fiddle it then it will set a model that any club can copy. Of course FL will make it up as they go along, as usual. There's no telling what will happen. If there isn't a points deduction we should write to the FL and ask for those 10 points back. As this will be our last year in the FL we'll take them this year, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Ultimately, I'm not entirely sure what the FA/Premier League/Football League are really able to do about that situation, to be honest. It was perfectly legal for Vladimir Antonov, under the name of Convers Sports Initiatives PLC, to purchase Portsmouth FC from the administrators. He wasn't banned from owning a company or from being a director of a company, and the legal system in this country largely works on the basis that you are innocent until proven guilty. Once he has got ownership of the club, there's not a cat in hell's chance the Football League are going to say "sorry, we don't like the look of you, therefore we're revoking Pompey's membership" - it simply wouldn't happen. Just think of the ****storm that would create, a relatively powerless organisation uses a few blog posts and rumours as the basis for kicking a football club with a core support of 11,000 fans into the wilderness. While the idea of the (now-titled) Owners and Directors Test is a noble one, it simply doesn't work in practice as the Football League (or indeed the Premier League, despite their seeming belief that they are above the law) has no legal power to say who can and cannot own a UK company. The only way this could change was if we were to adopt a US franchise system as happens where the NFL decides who can and cannot buy any of the franchises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Cortese said before when Skates went in to Admin "If they don't get a points deduction we will have our 10 points back" I'm sure he will be ready to sue The FL if they get away with this We'll have them back this season I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 We'll have them back this season I hope! --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Well I can't see it washing. If they allow them to fiddle it then it will set a model that any club can copy. No, if Pompey can prove the parent company's insolvency was entirely due to non-football related trading and nothing to do with PFC, then the League are unlikely to apply a penalty. SLH went into administration solely due to losses made by the football club, which isn't necessarily the case here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Cortese said before when Skates went in to Admin "If they don't get a points deduction we will have our 10 points back" I'm sure he will be ready to sue The FL if they get away with this He didn't really have mush of a case then, as Pompey were in the Premier League and Saints were in the Football League, two different governing bodies. He might this time though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 This is the Redknapp effect. Spurs in five years time. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 I dont particulary like sticking up for Skates, but there are differences to our situation. SLH and SFC were basically the same, surely even the most one eyed Saints fan will concede that. Their situation is more like West Ham's, and they didn't get a deduction when their parent company went into admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 No, if Pompey can prove the parent company's insolvency was entirely due to non-football related trading and nothing to do with PFC, then the League are unlikely to apply a penalty. SLH went into administration solely due to losses made by the football club, which isn't necessarily the case here. Where did the money for their large summer spending come from Huseklupp, Norris, Varney etc? If it came from Antonov robbing Lithunian/Latvian bank customers then that source has now ended and they may want the money back from Pompey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 No, if Pompey can prove the parent company's insolvency was entirely due to non-football related trading and nothing to do with PFC, then the League are unlikely to apply a penalty. SLH went into administration solely due to losses made by the football club, which isn't necessarily the case here. Well who knows? Not me, not you, the FL make things up as they go along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Cortese said before when Skates went in to Admin "If they don't get a points deduction we will have our 10 points back" I'm sure he will be ready to sue The FL if they get away with this What difference would that make?? It would be totally pointless,they won't give us +10 points in a higher League and we wouldn't get any sort of financial compensation either. Our -10,like spilt milk is just not worth crying over any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Where did the money for their large summer spending come from Huseklupp, Norris, Varney etc? If it came from Antonov robbing Lithunian/Latvian bank customers then that source has now ended and they may want the money back from Pompey. money back from Pompey...yer avin a larf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 FL issue statement - The matter will be considered by the board of the FL when and if all the details of the insolvency of CSI have been considered. Wonderfully telling us F'all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 What difference would that make?? It would be totally pointless,they won't give us +10 points in a higher League and we wouldn't get any sort of financial compensation either. Our -10,like spilt milk is just not worth crying over any more. BUT it would be funny as f/ck if Cortese said it and wound the skates up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Radio Solent Twitter in last few minutes... solentsport BBC Radio Solent football league board will consider docking #Pompey points, when they have all relevant information relating to CSI's administration 3 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 BUT it would be funny as f/ck if Cortese said it and wound the skates up. Skates should have been wound up years ago but as has been said they are the Houdinis of football fiscal dramas. They must have been one of the first clubs ever to have been threatened with being wound up over a 357£ unpaid bill (or whatever amount it was) .They got away with it and they've been at it ever since. They learned on that occasion that no matter what they do they have some sort of importance to their insignificant community and they've been taking the p*ss ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Put their fans out their misery, dissolve them & make them do an Aldershot, if they can. But not until after we beat them in December & put right the last couple of wrongs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 No, if Pompey can prove the parent company's insolvency was entirely due to non-football related trading and nothing to do with PFC, then the League are unlikely to apply a penalty. SLH went into administration solely due to losses made by the football club, which isn't necessarily the case here. I think the key question is whether Pompey reverts back to Chanrai as a secured lender (the club purchase was in instalments IIRC).If they are, it depends on what Chanrai does. Having tried his arse off to sell the club last time and only turned up with these clowns, will he want to prop the club up again, or will he realise there's no value in doing that so he may as well take the ground and wind them up? Will he be prepared to stick the cash in? As Andronikou is back in as the Administrator, it seems likely to me that it's Chanrai who has pulled the plug. If the club isn't supported by Chanrai, how does it survive? They can argue all they like about the Parent Club going into administration, but surely if Pompey are reliant on CSI to stay afloat, they are inextricably linked to the downfall of CSI and will, by default, go into admin too. So....Chanrai.......what next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 THIS CHRISTMAS LETS GIVE A THOUGHT TO THOSE LESS FORTUNATE THAN OURSELVES :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Don't we already have a thread covering all this somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebastian firefly Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 This is the Redknapp effect. Spurs in five years time. Discuss. i ve just cum thinking of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 It's easy to say that the holding company debts and that of the football club are not linked but surely when they took on the club they took on the terms of the previous CVA? The football club were trading whilst being insolvent before the take over and signed players they couldn't afford, since. This must have had an affect on CSI Miami going bust and without their money the club is back to trading insolvent AFAICS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Don't we already have a thread covering all this somewhere?Seems it's got a way to run yet!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 poor lickle possums. I actually do feel sorry for them. Doesn't matter which club it is, to be tossed around from crook-to-crook and back again is not right. Makes a complete mockery of the 'fit and proper person' BS the FL do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Don't we already have a thread covering all this somewhere? No we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Lej Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 I didn't think Christmas was until December 25th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 A significant news day for our rivals. They even made it to our main board. Given there is a lot of duplication on the Pompey Takeover Saga thread no point in merging the two. However for future updates and general LOL at the Blue few please see here. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?14620-Pompey-Takeover-Saga/page900 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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