Ashamed to be 'British'

[tony13579]

I feel sorry for her, she has trapped herself in a miserable location where people a crammed in like sardines...

She also offends me..

I dislike what Britain has become but for very different reasons.

 

I dislike the way government sees us as worker ants to make their cities grow. The way government wants all men and women to work irrespective of childbirth or old age. I can't do what I do today at 49 much longer, let alone 68! Both mentally or physically. I see my job and pension being raided. Essential thing like fuel, food,transport and postage rising in cost much more than the rate of inflation because of government taxation.

 

I hate inefficient "green technology" I am in favour of solar , hydroelectric wind power but only where it costs in close to normal power costs. I hate the bastardisation of science by politicians and councils.

 

I dislike the acceptance of joe public to their Orwellian regime. To indifferent to fight for what is right. people are too lazy to even ping an email. Most people are too f'ing lazy to report a pot hole.

 

I have respect for a few politicians who investigate, ask questions, and work hard.. Sandra Gidley did lots of this type of work but was voted out for a plastic Tory who got voted in on family values whilst breaking all those values even whilst electioneering. and what has she achieved since being elected? nowt..

 

I hate our local health authority and it's attitude to milking patients for 2. Million a year in parking charges.

 

I hate our camera partnership who are liars and cheats. They installed 5 cameras on the western approach to the city with out bothering to check the road signs to a professional standard and then milked the motorists. They also lied to the courts producing certificates stating to the best of their knowledge all signing was correct. They also falsified documents to the court to obtain summonses. Signing was also significantly defective at Portsmouth & Fareham. the court then protected them by disallowing fair legal challenge. The court are also part of the partnership.

 

I hope to escape to a corner of the UK where government have less affect on my life. Where I can live in a community who does give a fig. Hopefully I will have enough pension left to heat my home and afford a modist car with enough to buy nice cheese and coffee.

[Sour Mash]

Going back to the title of the thread, Andy - why are you / does this make you ashamed to be British?

Because it's a standard, cliched thing to come out with that he's probably copied from somewhere. Anyone thats travelled enough on public transport up in London knows you'll often see a nutter off their heads babbling about something. Big deal. Real pity here having her kid in tow though.

[Saintandy666]

You lot are idiots. I can assure you there are substantial Nepalese, Polish, and Romanian communities where I live and racism is more prevalent than people realise, especially in the older. Where I live is very right wing. We've never had anything but Tory representation, so there are mainly different views to me.

 

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[saintbletch]

I feel sorry for her, she has trapped herself in a miserable location where people a crammed in like sardines...

She also offends me..

I dislike what Britain has become but for very different reasons.

 

I dislike the way government sees us as worker ants to make their cities grow. The way government wants all men and women to work irrespective of childbirth or old age. I can't do what I do today at 49 much longer, let alone 68! Both mentally or physically. I see my job and pension being raided. Essential thing like fuel, food,transport and postage rising in cost much more than the rate of inflation because of government taxation.

 

I hate inefficient "green technology" I am in favour of solar , hydroelectric wind power but only where it costs in close to normal power costs. I hate the bastardisation of science by politicians and councils.

 

I dislike the acceptance of joe public to their Orwellian regime. To indifferent to fight for what is right. people are too lazy to even ping an email. Most people are too f'ing lazy to report a pot hole.

 

I have respect for a few politicians who investigate, ask questions, and work hard.. Sandra Gidley did lots of this type of work but was voted out for a plastic Tory who got voted in on family values whilst breaking all those values even whilst electioneering. and what has she achieved since being elected? nowt..

 

I hate our local health authority and it's attitude to milking patients for 2. Million a year in parking charges.

 

I hate our camera partnership who are liars and cheats. They installed 5 cameras on the western approach to the city with out bothering to check the road signs to a professional standard and then milked the motorists. They also lied to the courts producing certificates stating to the best of their knowledge all signing was correct. They also falsified documents to the court to obtain summonses. Signing was also significantly defective at Portsmouth & Fareham. the court then protected them by disallowing fair legal challenge. The court are also part of the partnership.

 

I hope to escape to a corner of the UK where government have less affect on my life. Where I can live in a community who does give a fig. Hopefully I will have enough pension left to heat my home and afford a modist car with enough to buy nice cheese and coffee.

 

Powerful words Tony13579.

[trousers]

You lot are idiots.

 

Phew. I thought I was alone.

[doddisalegend]

You lot are idiots. I can assure you there are substantial Nepalese, Polish, and Romanian communities where I live and racism is more prevalent than people realise, especially in the older. Where I live is very right wing. We've never had anything but Tory representation, so there are mainly different views to me.

 

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Who said racism didn't exsist here? every country in the world has racism to one degree or another. Rascists don't only live in Britian you know? So why should anyone be ashamed to be British becuase this country has it's fair share of ill educated morons.

 

It's almost like it's fashionable to hate our own country while imagining the rest of the world aren't like us. Britian isn't perfect by any means but she's not all bad either. I'm proud to be British and wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

[saintbletch]

Because it's a standard, cliched thing to come out with that he's probably copied from somewhere. Anyone thats travelled enough on public transport up in London knows you'll often see a nutter off their heads babbling about something. Big deal. Real pity here having her kid in tow though.

 

I suspect you a right but I fear you are wrong.

 

The woman was obviously off her face so alcohol (or perhaps amphetamine judging by her odd mouth movements) played a roll in removing her inhibitions.

 

I wonder how many other people hold similar views to those she 'shared', but keep their council due to societal pressure.

 

As our economic situation pushes the self-perceived bread line higher up the old social order, I wouldn't be surprised to see more and more people blaming immigrants for some or all Great Britain's ills.

[doddisalegend]

I suspect you a right but I fear you are wrong.

 

The woman was obviously off her face so alcohol (or perhaps amphetamine judging by her odd mouth movements) played a roll in removing her inhibitions.

 

I wonder how many other people hold similar views to those she 'shared', but keep their council due to societal pressure.

 

As our economic situation pushes the self-perceived bread line higher up the old social order, I wouldn't be surprised to see more and more people blaming immigrants for some or all Great Britain's ills.

 

The irony being if most British people go far enough back in the family tree they'll probably find immigrants in their own family.

[saintbletch]

The irony being if most British people go far enough back in the family tree they'll probably find immigrants in their own family.

 

Agreed doddisalegend.

 

Irish in mine all the way back.

 

In fact, if I recall correctly, my mother (County Wexford) was in the UK 'illegally' and had to apply to the Home Office for formal citizen status.

 

The double Irony is that if the Great British Empire had not spread its arms around the world in the way it did and firstly enslave and latterly invite its subjects to come here, then, as an island we would have a very different ethnic balance.

 

If we had stayed a passive little Island group, and had never looked to gain from other country's resources to the point where we felt that as an Empire we were a true world power, we really would have a very different outlook and cultural mix.

 

I'm not sure you can have one without the other. We are where we are largely because of what we did.

[pap]

Agreed doddisalegend.

 

Irish in mine all the way back.

 

In fact, if I recall correctly, my mother (County Wexford) was in the UK 'illegally' and had to apply to the Home Office for formal citizen status.

 

The double Irony is that if the Great British Empire had not spread its arms around the world in the way it did and firstly enslave and latterly invite its subjects to come here, then, as an island we would have a very different ethnic balance.

 

If we had stayed a passive little Island group, and had never looked to gain from other country's resources to the point where we felt that as an Empire we were a true world power, we really would have a very different outlook and cultural mix.

 

I'm not sure you can have one without the other. We are where we are largely because of what we did.

 

There's a lot of sense in this. I come from immigrant stock myself, and much further afield than Ireland.

 

That said, I've always had a sneaking suspicion that immigration is little more than a divide and rule tactic. Like it or not, our society has reverted to a form of tribalism. People are that concerned with their petty squabbles and differences that they fail to see the bigger picture, which is largely, a stunningly detailed depiction of the average man getting greased over a barrel to serve corporate interests.

[stu0x]

She's been charged and remanded in custody apparently. Which means she's either a frequent flyer and doesn't turn up at Court, or she poses a real risk to public safety. I would assume the kid on her lap, if it's hers, will have been taken into care as well. A pretty sad story, which happens many times a day in our nation's wonderful capital.

[doddisalegend]

There's a lot of sense in this. I come from immigrant stock myself, and much further afield than Ireland.

 

That said, I've always had a sneaking suspicion that immigration is little more than a divide and rule tactic. Like it or not, our society has reverted to a form of tribalism. People are that concerned with their petty squabbles and differences that they fail to see the bigger picture, which is largely, a stunningly detailed depiction of the average man getting greased over a barrel to serve corporate interests.

 

 

I blame football............

[Verbal]

There's a lot of sense in this. I come from immigrant stock myself, and much further afield than Ireland.

 

That said, I've always had a sneaking suspicion that immigration is little more than a divide and rule tactic. Like it or not, our society has reverted to a form of tribalism. People are that concerned with their petty squabbles and differences that they fail to see the bigger picture, which is largely, a stunningly detailed depiction of the average man getting greased over a barrel to serve corporate interests.

 

This pessimism really isn't warranted. Society has not 'reverted to a form of tribalism'. What makes this woman's outburst shocking is that it's actually quite rare these days.

 

Some serious work has been done recently on what you call the 'bigger picture'. The best of it, perhaps, is a book by the eminent Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker, entitled The Better Angels of our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined. (And within violence, of course, he includes these kinds of outbursts and other signs of what you call 'tribalism'.)

 

He says that historically we've never been so peaceful, and his statistics reveal dramatic reductions in war deaths, family violence, racism, rape, murder and all sorts of trouble. Pinker writes: “The decline of violence may be the most significant and least appreciated development in the history of our species.”

 

On the subject of books, how did you get on with The Looming Tower?

Edited 29 November, 2011 by Verbal

[pap]

This pessimism really isn't warranted. Society has not 'reverted to a form of tribalism'. What makes this woman's outburst shocking is that it's actually quite rare these days.

 

It's rare to see it in public, and it is thankfully, a lot rarer than it used to be.

 

Think that's what makes it all the more shocking when you hear it. I remember one time shortly after my daughter started primary school. She came back home and asked us what a "n*****r" was. She'd heard it from a five year old kid.

 

Still, I don't see how what people have written on the subject of tribalism has over our collective experience of how our country has turned out, subjective as that is bound to be. Most settlements of a certain size or over have one or two large areas that are predominantly occupied by ethnic minorities. In Southampton, it could be argued that Newtown is that area, although it's perhaps even more pronounced in the North.

 

That to me represents a very tangible form of tribalism that we see every day, and affects us every day. Racism's greatest ally is ignorance. People living in separate communities, knowing almost nothing about each other, only fuels that ignorance further.

 

Some serious work has been done recently on what you call the 'bigger picture'. The best of it, perhaps, is a book by the eminent Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker, entitled The Better Angels of our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined. (And within violence, of course, he includes these kinds of outbursts and other signs of what you call 'tribalism'.)

 

He says that historically we've never been so peaceful, and his statistics reveal dramatic reductions in war deaths, family violence, racism, rape, murder and all sorts of trouble. Pinker writes: “The decline of violence may be the most significant and least appreciated development in the history of our species.”

 

Well, I for one that Pinker's parents paid for a Harvard education so that he could tell us that the world today is a less violent place than it was in the bloody centuries of the past, but it's really a question of perspective.

 

Would Pinker be able to visit places like Oldham or Bradford ( or even Tower Hamlets ) and deny the existence of tribalism? What evidence does he offer up on the US, especially in the Southern states, where entire areas are delineated on skin-tone, where black kids attend one school and whites another?

 

What does he have to say about the US' immigration policy since the end of the Second World War, which saw a seismic shift from White Europeans to people with few, if any cultural ties to the US? Another observation: I was in our corporate HQ in June, again in the US. My client has employed a number of Indian dudes on short-term VISAs. None of the US-born employees would give them the time of day.

 

Now, I'm not saying that Pinker is wrong. I'm not even saying that I'm right. What I am saying is that there is a chasm between what is reported or said in public and the views of private individuals. I'm pointing out that the nations that have adopted multiculturalism haven't done so well on the integration front.

 

I'd find it difficult to disagree with Pinker's assertion that we're less violent in general, but then, knowing human nature, I'd have to ask where all that anger has gone. Personally, I think its still there - and as we saw with the riots, it doesn't require a great deal of movement to get from simmering resentment to a country in flames.

 

On the subject of books, how did you get on with The Looming Tower?

 

Honestly haven't read it. The only non-fiction books I've had time for lately have been very dry and technical in nature.

[Turkish]

This pessimism really isn't warranted. Society has not 'reverted to a form of tribalism'. What makes this woman's outburst shocking is that it's actually quite rare these days.

 

Some serious work has been done recently on what you call the 'bigger picture'. The best of it, perhaps, is a book by the eminent Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker, entitled The Better Angels of our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined. (And within violence, of course, he includes these kinds of outbursts and other signs of what you call 'tribalism'.)

 

He says that historically we've never been so peaceful, and his statistics reveal dramatic reductions in war deaths, family violence, racism, rape, murder and all sorts of trouble. Pinker writes: “The decline of violence may be the most significant and least appreciated development in the history of our species.”

 

On the subject of books, how did you get on with The Looming Tower?

 

Apart from on here of course, where according to you we are all racists, homophobic, sexist, all of the above.

[pap]

Apart from on here of course, where according to you we are all racists, homophobic, sexist, all of the above.

 

Don't forget 'not very well read'. We all know that everything written by authors and distributed by large corporate publishers is 100% accurate, and should under no circumstances, play second fiddle to critical analysis or primary evidence.

[solentstars]

She's been charged and remanded in custody apparently. Which means she's either a frequent flyer and doesn't turn up at Court, or she poses a real risk to public safety. I would assume the kid on her lap, if it's hers, will have been taken into care as well. A pretty sad story, which happens many times a day in our nation's wonderful capital.

i agree but london is a great city and you can sad some thick racists in every city in not just london and i expect that women will be shocked that everone can see her for what she is.but generally i think this country is one of the best in europe for our race relations and is something we should be proud .

[Sour Mash]

The irony being if most British people go far enough back in the family tree they'll probably find immigrants in their own family.

Where's the irony?

[Window Cleaner]

Where's the irony?

 

 

irony must be the most oft incorrectly used word in the English Language, if you discount definately and various misuses of there,they're and their that is.

 

Anyway I think that I read somewhere that there are about 20 pure Saxon families left in England and roughly the same number of

pure Norman families.

Edited 29 November, 2011 by Window Cleaner

[1976_Child]

The longer we allow unchecked mass-immigration into this country, simultaneously off-shoring jobs and concentrating more and more wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people, the more inflation eats into people's take home pay and the less social mobility there is then this sort of thing will get much more common.

 

The greatest 'evil' (and I use that word advisedly) that successive governments have done to this once-great country is allowing millions of low-skilled economic migrants (of all skin colours) into the country. The hackneyed 'immigration is good for society' trotted out by politicians of all stripes is only true when attached to the phrase 'over time'. Small scale, slow immigration certainly has a benefit to reinvigorate culture and ideas but the mass-immigration which has seen upwards of 5 million new arrivals over just a few short years - certainly within a generation - is the most corrosive acid eating away at civil society.

 

Is this woman's rant a nasty drunken polemic? Certainly. Does it come from despair and a lack of hope? Yes.

[angelman]

I posted a comment along the lines of being (white) British and that Britain would be better without people like her or some such thing, I can't really remember, to which I received the reply: IF YOUR WHITE {sic} YOU CAN DIE YOU B1TCH

[Huntingdon]

The video on YouTube has created an incredible stir, I've just watched it again and during that 3mins there were 225 comments waiting to be published!

 

Interesting to see though, over 11000 people liking her video

 

Political history shows that during dark economic times, extremism comes to the fore due to people being angry and frustrated at life. Immigrants are prime targets

The greatest example was when Hitler rose to the lead the Weimar Republic during the great depression.

 

I think we are in absolute denial if we think this woman stands alone in her opinions

[Sour Mash]

irony must be the most oft incorrectly used word in the English Language, if you discount definately and various misuses of there,they're and their that is.

 

Anyway I think that I read somewhere that there are about 20 pure Saxon families left in England and roughly the same number of

pure Norman families.

You're probably right on that, f#*k knows how anyone could or has bothered to work that out!

[Window Cleaner]

You're probably right on that, f#*k knows how anyone could or has bothered to work that out!

 

they're like secret societies apparently, inter-marriages arranged at birth and all that.The Royal Family has nothing on those snooty buggers.

[Verbal]

Don't forget 'not very well read'. We all know that everything written by authors and distributed by large corporate publishers is 100% accurate, and should under no circumstances, play second fiddle to critical analysis or primary evidence.

 

Are you really saying something so paranoid as that a book 'written by an author' [sic] and published by a well-known publisher is, ipso facto, not to be trusted? And what critical analysis or primary evidence? Your offhand impressions? As a scientist, Pinker no doubt falls into the category of a malign conspiracist for some (!). And I'm sure it's entirely credible that his mysterious, all-powerful publisher was issuing edicts to him on what had to be written...

 

Good grief.

 

 

Back to reality, please read the book at least - or if not, consult the various sites discussing it, which show the following:

 

Pinker makes the case that a smarter, more educated world is becoming more peaceful in several statistically significant ways. His findings are based on peer-reviewed studies published by other academics using examinations of graveyards, surveys and historical records:

 

— The number of people killed in battle — calculated per 100,000 population — has dropped by 1,000-fold over the centuries as civilizations evolved. Before there were organized countries, battles killed on average more than 500 out of every 100,000 people. In 19th century France, it was 70. In the 20th century with two world wars and a few genocides, it was 60. Now battlefield deaths are down to three-tenths of a person per 100,000.

 

— The rate of genocide deaths per world population was 1,400 times higher in 1942 than in 2008.

 

— There were fewer than 20 democracies in 1946. Now there are close to 100. Meanwhile, the number of authoritarian countries has dropped from a high of almost 90 in 1976 to about 25 now.

 

And so on and on, all the way down to the decline in racist abuse and attacks.

[Jonnyboy]

Are you really saying something so paranoid as that a book 'written by an author' [sic] and published by a well-known publisher is, ipso facto, not to be trusted? And what critical analysis or primary evidence? Your offhand impressions? As a scientist, Pinker no doubt falls into the category of a malign conspiracist for some (!). And I'm sure it's entirely credible that his mysterious, all-powerful publisher was issuing edicts to him on what had to be written...

 

Good grief.

 

 

Back to reality, please read the book at least - or if not, consult the various sites discussing it, which show the following:

 

Pinker makes the case that a smarter, more educated world is becoming more peaceful in several statistically significant ways. His findings are based on peer-reviewed studies published by other academics using examinations of graveyards, surveys and historical records:

 

— The number of people killed in battle — calculated per 100,000 population — has dropped by 1,000-fold over the centuries as civilizations evolved. Before there were organized countries, battles killed on average more than 500 out of every 100,000 people. In 19th century France, it was 70. In the 20th century with two world wars and a few genocides, it was 60. Now battlefield deaths are down to three-tenths of a person per 100,000.

 

— The rate of genocide deaths per world population was 1,400 times higher in 1942 than in 2008.

 

— There were fewer than 20 democracies in 1946. Now there are close to 100. Meanwhile, the number of authoritarian countries has dropped from a high of almost 90 in 1976 to about 25 now.

 

And so on and on, all the way down to the decline in racist abuse and attacks.

 

Whats the book called? edit - just seen above

[pap]

Are you really saying something so paranoid as that a book 'written by an author' [sic] and published by a well-known publisher is, ipso facto, not to be trusted? And what critical analysis or primary evidence? Your offhand impressions? As a scientist, Pinker no doubt falls into the category of a malign conspiracist for some (!). And I'm sure it's entirely credible that his mysterious, all-powerful publisher was issuing edicts to him on what had to be written...

 

Good grief.

 

No, I was being sarcastic. Rather enjoyed the massive jump to conclusions though. Keep it up.

[View From The Top]

The irony being if most British people go far enough back in the family tree they'll probably find immigrants in their own family.

 

Mine has been traced, both side, as far back as 1615 with some jock and, I'm pleased to say, Dutch.

[Verbal]

No, I was being sarcastic. Rather enjoyed the massive jump to conclusions though. Keep it up.

 

I did wonder (giving you the benefit of the doubt), but then I just assumed you weren't breaking forum rules.

[Secret Site Agent]

Absolutely disgraceful. Everyone else on that tram represents Britain 10000000000x more than she ever could. Ignorant and horrible.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i47HoiM0Au8&feature=player_embedded

mind you she has got one point which you cant argue with.

 

She did have a kid there.

[saintbletch]

Where's the irony?

 

Not sure if you don't follow the point or whether you're pointing out that this isn't ironic.

 

The irony here is that we know something that the woman doesn't. We see her lambasting immigrants and at the same time we know that she probably hails from immigrant stock herself - a fact that is apparently not understood by the woman. That's ironic.

 

The point is that we are all highly likely to have found ourselves on these islands through some form of migration. As such we should probably recognise that the same process is bringing people that look considerably different from "ourselves" to these shores. If we believe that this is a problem, we should probably fight to change the process that allows this to happen rather than attacking those people.

[OVER THE HILL]

This made me laugh but there is some truth in this.

 

http://newsthump.com/2011/11/29/daily-mail-berates-female-tram-racist-for-spouting-daily-mails-opinions/

[Patrick Bateman]

The two Indians (i.e. they are from India and have been here under 2 years working) at work today on my team, asked me if I'd seen this. Their reaction was totally different to everyone else's. They live in Croydon and said they feel like they live in West Africa, not outside London and totally agreed with the clip ...

[Wes Tender]

TBH I actually found her foul and abusive language more offensive than the ridiculous racist slurs she was spouting.

 

Not that I'm in any way condonding her ignorant racist views, it's just that they were aimed at adults who could see how offensive, ill-educated, moronic and disgusting they were, whereas all that poor little kid could hear was F**k this and F**k that. What chance has that little'un got with a mother like that.

 

(Hope I don't get lynched for saying this and that people get the point I was trying to make).

 

Agree entirely. With luck, the little lad will be taken away from her, as she is clearly not fit to bring him up.

[pap]

The two Indians (i.e. they are from India and have been here under 2 years working) at work today on my team, asked me if I'd seen this. Their reaction was totally different to everyone else's. They live in Croydon and said they feel like they live in West Africa, not outside London and totally agreed with the clip ...

 

Hmm, other races can be racist too.

 

There's a shocker.

[dronskisaint]

She was obviously off her head on something. Personally I found her bad language disgusting, especially in the presence of children. I was on the train to derby and there were no seats so about 10 people including myself we stood in the bit where the door is and a woman was effing and blinding down the phone. I simply gave her the look (a superior look down your nose look like I give to people handing out copies of the socialist worker newspaper) and she stopped.

 

So - a comment on the manners but not the content?

[Griffo]

Croydon, la la la.

[scotty]

I notice she has black hair but her son is blonde. Could she have been sh*gging a scandinavian? If so, she should be deported.

 

 

Actually, scrap that, she should be deported anyway. Or sent on a yachting trip around Somalia.