Turkish Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 (edited) So you're not opposed to an expansion per se, but instead you are opposed to anyone who is 'deluded' enough to suggest that over the next few years an expansion might not be out of the question. Do you feel embarrassed by fans who are suggesting that an expansion isn't completely outside the realms of possibility? If not, why don't you just let them get on with it - it simply shouldn't bother you. If however you are embarrassed, you seriously need to get out more. There are far greater embarrassments associated with this club. In future, just a tip, if you want the '44k expansion' threads to disapear, simply stop feeding them with your irrational hatred. If you weren't fueling a debate the thread would die a natural death. The more you try to shout everyone down, the more people will argue back. If indeed your anger of this issue is genuine, your best way to put out the flames would be to ignore them. If this topic doesn't interest you, or mildly annoys you, simply stop posting on it. Honestly, the more you try to keep topics like this alive the more people will assume you are simply trolling. [Last post of the day] I am embarassed that our fans have the nerve to acuse fans of West Ham for being arrogant then in the next breath bang on about us needing a bigger stadium because QPR do. Because when we are in the premier league we might sell out. Because Wolves are expanding. We are aren't even selling out SMS week in week out now. Why the f*ck are we on about a bigger stadium? Why the f*ck are we on about "when we are in the premier league" Isn't this arrogant? It is when West Ham do it. Seriously, tonight will be a bit of test. Going for 20 wins in a row, Hull are potential promotion rivals. How many will be there? I'd be surprised if it's much more than half the 44k capacity we apparantly need. When we sell out SMS every week. When we having a waiting list for season ticket holders. When it is finacially viable to expand and fill 44k without giving tickets away to kids for nothing. Then and only then can people have any basis to say, "you know what, we might need to expand". Not "look at QPR. Look at Wolves. Look at what Chelsea did in 1982. Look at Man City. Man United did it, why cant we?" And not forgetting last time we were in top flight where we were literally turning tens of people awy for the big games, suddenly this is going to become 12,000 is it? Edited 29 November, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 I think that when Saints are guaranteed promotion to the Premier League (i.e. next Easter ;-) FFS) that Cortese will seriously look at expansion and may well sanction it. After all, BARR designed the stadium with this in mind, so it's not beyond the realms of possibility. Be optimistic, the post 1976 Pirelli option was going to be 40,000 FFS (I saw a model), build it and they will come! I still want an airship dock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 When we moved from The Dell the crowds they budgeted for (info from Brian Hunt) were a third around 18k, a third around 24k and the top clubs around 30k. I'm sure the club (and Turkish) were surprised by the actual turn-outs, particularly given our periodic struggles. I'm sure if the club do decide to expand it will be from a level headed and well-researched basis, not based on internet rants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 When we moved from The Dell the crowds they budgeted for (info from Brian Hunt) were a third around 18k, a third around 24k and the top clubs around 30k. I'm sure the club (and Turkish) were surprised by the actual turn-outs, particularly given our periodic struggles. I'm sure if the club do decide to expand it will be from a level headed and well-researched basis, not based on internet rants. Exactly right Sue. IIRC the break even point was 21k. If we were to expanid they'd look at the financial viability of it. The chances of filling it every week without giving free tickets away. They'd look at evidence. Like how many people were being turned away every week. Waiting lists for season ticket holders. How many games were selling out in the previous seasons. Not what QPR and Wolves are doing. Or gambling and expanding anyway, reasoning that we could fill it because they said that man would never walk on the moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Ultimately, whether we have a stadium of 44,000 capacity, will have a damned sight more to do with whether Cortese gets the green light from the Liebherrs to go ahead with it, rather than whether Dorkish thinks that it is viable or not. I am sure that Cortese will be happy to consider all of those points that Dorkish has made as to why it is not practical, but if he does proceed with it regardless, then no doubt we will have to endure Dorkish telling us what an idiot Cortese is and that he knows nothing about football, the history of the game, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Ultimately, whether we have a stadium of 44,000 capacity, will have a damned sight more to do with whether Cortese gets the green light from the Liebherrs to go ahead with it, rather than whether Dorkish thinks that it is viable or not. I am sure that Cortese will be happy to consider all of those points that Dorkish has made as to why it is not practical, but if he does proceed with it regardless, then no doubt we will have to endure Dorkish telling us what an idiot Cortese is and that he knows nothing about football, the history of the game, etc. I'm sure he'll lean equally on your arguement East Ender (PMSL) that we can fill it, because. Well. We just can. Possibly. Dont rule it out. We might be able to. Why? Ummm, We could. Only an idiot would rule it out. It's entirely possible. We might. QPR might need a bigger ground. Look at Chelsea, oh and River Plate sold out this week. Dagenham get 3,000 now and they only got 1000 when in in the conference. Oh and err, didn't they say man would never climb everest? Brilliant logic Wes Bender (PMSL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Ultimately, whether we have a stadium of 44,000 capacity, will have a damned sight more to do with whether Cortese gets the green light from the Liebherrs to go ahead with it, rather than whether Dorkish thinks that it is viable or not. I am sure that Cortese will be happy to consider all of those points that Dorkish has made as to why it is not practical, but if he does proceed with it regardless, then no doubt we will have to endure Dorkish telling us what an idiot Cortese is and that he knows nothing about football, the history of the game, etc. who is this Dorkish that you talk of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
percy windham Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 I hate this thread. If its any consolation, your new songs were quite good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 FAO Dorkish. We should be selling out 55,000 every week, you know that. Got your new foam hands yet; "Go Sainters 2012". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 It's a marvellous scheme, this "Care in the Community" Do you enjoy, it Dorkish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 It's a marvellous scheme, this "Care in the Community" Do you enjoy, it Dorkish? I agree Wesley Bender, it's hilarious to change the names of posters like Dorkish. Yours, Patricia Pavement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 It's a marvellous scheme, this "Care in the Community" Do you enjoy, it Dorkish? It's great. Prehaps it should be extended to encompass strange old men unable to deal with reality so sit around day dreaming all day about what might become/could have been. Do you have time for that Les Bender? Or are you too busy telling your kids they are going to be the next superstar and really should apply for X-Factor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 I agree Wesley Bender, it's hilarious to change the names of posters like Dorkish. Yours, Patricia Pavement It is hilarious. There is not end to the fun you can have by changing posters names. Only people with the wit and intellect to be the new Deppo are capable of such side splitting hilarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Turkish is now on ignore, so I won't have to endure his childish, inane witterings any longer. I should have done it ages ago. It was amusing feeding the troll for a while, but I tire of it. Facing his taunts has been like being savaged by a dead sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Turkish is now on ignore, so I won't have to endure his childish, inane witterings any longer. I should have done it ages ago. It was amusing feeding the troll for a while, but I tire of it. Facing his taunts has been like being savaged by a dead sheep. Bye then xxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 so, everyone finished ..? thank goodness for that ..what's next ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 so, everyone finished ..? thank goodness for that ..what's next ? CAn you let me know who the Beckham,Scholes and Giggs are of our academy please. Also the Neville brothers who will go onto become good solid top half team pros and England internationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 The QPR owner thinks they need a 40 to 45k stadium.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15919454.stm The difference is we will get 30k even for the likes of Bolton purely due to the new facilities, anyone whos been to LR knows there is no legroom and the facilities are poor. Add on another couple of k due to tourists then the att. will be 32-45k depending on opponents. (Fulham get 25k every week but only take a couple of hundred away so they have few real fans) As for Saints, if they expand, they wont get that initial 5-10k increase because its not a better stadium, just a bigger one so I think they will only get more than 33k for the top 6 teams unless they are Euro regulars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 The difference is we will get 30k even for the likes of Bolton purely due to the new facilities, anyone whos been to LR knows there is no legroom and the facilities are poor. Add on another couple of k due to tourists then the att. will be 32-45k depending on opponents. (Fulham get 25k every week but only take a couple of hundred away so they have few real fans) As for Saints, if they expand, they wont get that initial 5-10k increase because its not a better stadium, just a bigger one so I think they will only get more than 33k for the top 6 teams unless they are Euro regulars. What makes you think any improvement to St Mary's wouldn't make it better? There is even talk of a completely new stadium being built rather than just an expansion. Whilst in the Premier League Saints averaged over 30k in every season at St Mary's (including the relegation season). They sold out games against both the larger and smaller Premier League clubs on a regular basis. We have even had sell outs whilst in the Championship and League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Why is this even a thread FFS ?? Someone said Cortese may have said it once, cue MLG posting videos mocked up on youtube etc etc We are not even in the prem yet for christ sake, one step at a time and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Exactly right Sue. IIRC the break even point was 21k. If we were to expanid they'd look at the financial viability of it. The chances of filling it every week without giving free tickets away. They'd look at evidence. Like how many people were being turned away every week. Waiting lists for season ticket holders. How many games were selling out in the previous seasons. Not what QPR and Wolves are doing. Or gambling and expanding anyway, reasoning that we could fill it because they said that man would never walk on the moon. You've missed the point again. Even though they were budgetting for certain size crowds the stadium was built bigger than they thought they would fill _all_ the time. They had a bit of ambition that proved the correct decision, and there is no reason to think that another commercial decision on the same lines would'nt be equally rewarded, particularly if were be playing decent football. Based on your thinking SMS wouldn't even have been 32k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 You've missed the point again. Even though they were budgetting for certain size crowds the stadium was built bigger than they thought they would fill _all_ the time. They had a bit of ambition that proved the correct decision, and there is no reason to think that another commercial decision on the same lines would'nt be equally rewarded, particularly if were be playing decent football. Based on your thinking SMS wouldn't even have been 32k. It's useless trying to get anything to penetrate that thick skull, Sue. Save your breath for somebody capable of intelligent debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 (edited) You've missed the point again. Even though they were budgetting for certain size crowds the stadium was built bigger than they thought they would fill _all_ the time. They had a bit of ambition that proved the correct decision, and there is no reason to think that another commercial decision on the same lines would'nt be equally rewarded, particularly if were be playing decent football. Based on your thinking SMS wouldn't even have been 32k. It's you lot that are missing the point. We sold out the Dell week after week for years. We had a 2 year waiting list for season tickets. When was the last time we sold out for an entire season at SMS? WHen was the last time we had a two year waiting list for season tickets at SMS? When was the last time we could have sold out SMS twice over like we could for games at THe Dell on occasions? That is the point, despite what West Bender (PMSL) says about what QPR might be doing or that there is a chance that we might fill it, dont rule it out, anything is possible. There is absolutely ZERO evidence that it is financially viable and that SFC, not QPR, Wolves, Boca Juniors, SFC need and can fill a 44k stadium. At the moment. Edited 29 November, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 You've missed the point again. Even though they were budgetting for certain size crowds the stadium was built bigger than they thought they would fill _all_ the time. They had a bit of ambition that proved the correct decision, and there is no reason to think that another commercial decision on the same lines would'nt be equally rewarded, particularly if were be playing decent football. Based on your thinking SMS wouldn't even have been 32k. And we used to get circa 25-30k at The Dell before seating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 What makes you think any improvement to St Mary's wouldn't make it better? There is even talk of a completely new stadium being built rather than just an expansion. Whilst in the Premier League Saints averaged over 30k in every season at St Mary's (including the relegation season). They sold out games against both the larger and smaller Premier League clubs on a regular basis. We have even had sell outs whilst in the Championship and League One. Did you ever got to the Dell? Consider the change in facilities from the Dell to SMS. How are they going to improve a similar amount by getting better views, make it easier to get food and drink, more leg room etc? Even a completely new stadium wouldnt see a big increase (bar the 1st season) without success on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Did you ever got to the Dell? Consider the change in facilities from the Dell to SMS. How are they going to improve a similar amount by getting better views, make it easier to get food and drink, more leg room etc? Even a completely new stadium wouldnt see a big increase (bar the 1st season) without success on the pitch. Don't bother with facts with him, he only believes in self-indulgent b*llocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 CAn you let me know who the Beckham,Scholes and Giggs are of our academy please. Also the Neville brothers who will go onto become good solid top half team pros and England internationals. Sorry!.. I lost my crystal ball a long time ago but, at the time we refer to, (mid 1990's) those MU players above were just getting established in the MU side. very few of them had that many caps THEN except perhaps GIGGS but he started at age 16 anyway. Can I look at OUR present academy side and forecast (No! - not HIM)... who MIGHT become an international? As we are talking about 16-17 y.olds - a bit difficult, but what about starting with those who have already been capped at their age group... If the standard set by Theo, Gareth and Alex at 17 , is anything to go by, those who do stay and get established as first teamers may well end up getting capped... when we are the Premiership ...you do believe we'll get promoted - don't you ? .(isn't that the point of this thread?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Ointment mental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Just shy of 23k tonight for our 20th successive home win and against a promotion rival. Remind me again why we need 44,000 seats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Just shy of 23k tonight for our 20th successive home win and against a promotion rival. Remind me again why we need 44,000 seats? I'm not arguing for /or/ against a larger SMS, but are you saying that 9000 people stayed away because they thought they might not get a seat ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 I'm not arguing for /or/ against a larger SMS, but are you saying that 9000 people stayed away because they thought they might not get a seat ? Obviously not. 9,000 stayed away because they had better things to do. Nights like tonight prove anyone talking about expanding SMS right now is f*cking mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Obviously not. 9,000 stayed away because they had better things to do. Nights like tonight prove anyone talking about expanding SMS right now is f*cking mental. Don't worry turdish, nights like tonight show we should lower our capacity to 23k in anticipation of next season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 (edited) Don't worry turdish, nights like tonight show we should lower our capacity to 23k in anticipation of next season... The usual sparkling contribution from Cul De Sac Saint (PMSL this changing names is hilarious) obvious some of you are too think to get it but obviously 32k is big enough because we've proven we can fill that. For it to be worth the 36 million quid it would cost to sling an extra 12,000 seats on the top arguments like we could fill 44k because QPR and Wolves might need a bigger ground and we could fill it, it's possible don't rule it out,they did say man would never walk on the moon Ain't going convince a billionaire business family that it is money well spent. However a 20th successive home win, our highest league position side 2005 and 10000 empty seats might convince them that it ain't needed for the forseable future. Edited 29 November, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 I don't remamber the quote like that. I thought it went Chief executive Peter Storrie said: “This will be the most spectacular photo-shopped stadium in the country. "The fact it is set against the backdrop of the caravan park and the Track Suit shop befits the club’s history. “Portsmouth FC is moving to a new down with the money laundering of Alexandre Gaydamak. "This shows where Pompey want to be — playing at the lowest level and in a stadium befitting a Blue Square Premiership side.” Boss Harry Redknapp said: “These are exciting times to be at Pompey. Loads of opportunities for brown envelopes, back handers and sweeties.' "I'm having my best earner for 50 years and the club is moving in the right direction on all fronts. Down. The future looks great.” Alexandre Gaydamak commented, 'This looks great. It'll ensure I get top doller from Lidl's.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Don't worry turdish, nights like tonight show we should lower our capacity to 23k in anticipation of next season... Nights like tonight don't convince me we're going to pull twenty thousand extra fans through the door for a game against Bolton on a Monday night on Sky. But as the people who think they are in charge of "intelligent debate" on this forum have said: Turkish said last season we wouldn't get promoted which therefore means we can definitely fill at 44,000 seater stadium or something. Thank god they're here to help us "get the point into our thick skulls". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 (edited) Nights like tonight don't convince me we're going to pull twenty thousand extra fans through the door for a game against Bolton on a Monday night on Sky. You make this too easy...! The last time we played Bolton Wanderers in midweek, at St Mary's, in the Premier League it was a sell out... Wednesday 25th August 2004 vs Bolton 30,713 The empty seats due to Bolton bringing a small number of fans from Lancashire on a week night, the home end was sold out. Plus that was the year Saints came 20th in the league and were relegated, so were hardly a crowd puller in their own right. Edited 29 November, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 29 November, 2011 Share Posted 29 November, 2011 Plus that was the year Saints came 20th in the league and were relegated, so were hardly a crowd puller in their own right. That's the important bit, if Saints get promoted we will be nothing like the skint club ran by Lowe. Unfortunately many Saints fans still have Dell-sized brains and can't see the potential that is obvious. SFC is a club that has never had the chance to fulfill it's full potential, looking at the history books is meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 That's the important bit, if Saints get promoted we will be nothing like the skint club ran by Lowe. Unfortunately many Saints fans still have Dell-sized brains and can't see the potential that is obvious. SFC is a club that has never had the chance to fulfill it's full potential, looking at the history books is meaningless. Based on what? What makes you think we won't continue to spend prudently? Is it the fact we spent literally less than Leicester did on a centre back all summer on all of our players? In any case a lot on here don't think you need to buy players, we've got a Man United c97 squad chomping at the bit in our academy, just waiting to be unleashed on top flight. Didn't Lowe, chairman of skint club have same philosophy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Based on what? What makes you think we won't continue to spend prudently? Is it the fact we spent literally less than Leicester did on a centre back all summer on all of our players? In any case a lot on here don't think you need to buy players, we've got a Man United c97 squad chomping at the bit in our academy, just waiting to be unleashed on top flight. Didn't Lowe, chairman of the skint club operate the same philosophy? Based on what? That we spent literally less than Leciester one of our main promotion rivals did on one centre back this summer? Why so you think we won't continue to follow Lowes prudent approach? Afterall it's all about the academy for some people, didnt Lowe have the same philosophy? 1) Did Saints need to spend more than Leicester this summer? We are 13 points ahead of them so the squad already built was clearly good enough and just needed a little extra. 2) Did Rupert Lowe invest £20.4m of his own money into the club at any point? The Liebherr's did in 2009/10, future accounts will show if any more has gone in. 3) Did Rupert Lowe fund a training ground and academy development that wouldn't look out of place at a current top 6 Premier League side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 1) Did Saints need to spend more than Leicester this summer? We are 13 points ahead of them so the squad already built was clearly good enough and just needed a little extra. 2) Did Rupert Lowe invest £20.4m of his own money into the club at any point? The Liebherr's did in 2009/10, future accounts will show if any more has gone in. 3) Did Rupert Lowe fund a training ground and academy development that wouldn't look out of place at a current top 6 Premier League side? I didn't say we did need to. I said what is the assumption that we are going to be anything other than prudent based on the lst 3 transfer windows and Corteses focus on the academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 I didn't say we did need to. I said what is the assumption that we are going to be anything other than prudent based on the lst 3 transfer windows and Corteses focus on the academy. You say "prudent", but overlook the amount of money shown in the accounts Liebherr put in during the first season. Rupert Lowe didn't put any money of note in, nor did he spend on Staplewood anywhere near the amount the club are currently spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA77 Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Ten years ago everyone had spare cash, we were moving in to a cracking new ground and we had 30 odd 30, 000 gates in a row. If we go up things have changed in the last 5-10 years. Firstly the prices have rocketed (50 quid + to go to Chelsea, man utd, QPR etc). People just haven't got the money these days. So what would season tickets cost when we go up? I think we'd get 30,000 gates if we went up. But to bump up the ground to 44k is a long way off. Surely to fill 44,000, ticket prices would have to be cheap. It'd be interesting to see the prices for next season IF we do get promoted. I've loved the last few years home and away, but there's no way I'd pay 50 notes (or more) to go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 obvious some of you are too think to get it Good job you post on here Turkish to put us all right then isn't it. Tell me. How are your other predictions going? Did we get promoted last season because you said we wouldn't? How far ahead of us in the league are Leicester because you said that we wouldn't be able to live with them this season. How many goals has Craig Mackail Smith scored for Leicester this season as you were so sure that is where he was going? Cue another childish tamptrum from Turkish as he is unable to respond constuctively.He knows everything and all in the garden is rosy if everyone believes him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Nights like tonight don't convince me we're going to pull twenty thousand extra fans through the door for a game against Bolton on a Monday night on Sky. You make this too easy...! The last time we played Bolton Wanderers in midweek, at St Mary's, in the Premier League it was a sell out... Wednesday 25th August 2004 vs Bolton 30,713 The empty seats due to Bolton bringing a small number of fans from Lancashire on a week night, the home end was sold out. Plus that was the year Saints came 20th in the league and were relegated, so were hardly a crowd puller in their own right. Did you not bother to actually read my post - this is a thread called "expansion to 44,000". To make a move like that anything like viable then we would be needing twenty thousand extra fans than turned up last night for a top of the table clash which marked a record breaking home league run. Your game against Bolton you refer to - was there a lock out - were there 10,000 frustrated Saints fans desperate for tickets - did the game go on general sale or were those oh-so-rare tickets snapped up by the membership with watertight buying records? How many of that crowd were season tickets - was it anything like the 25,000 minimum we'd need to justify sticking 10,000 extra seats in? So, not actually that easy, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 You make this too easy...! The last time we played Bolton Wanderers in midweek, at St Mary's, in the Premier League it was a sell out... Wednesday 25th August 2004 vs Bolton 30,713 The empty seats due to Bolton bringing a small number of fans from Lancashire on a week night, the home end was sold out. Plus that was the year Saints came 20th in the league and were relegated, so were hardly a crowd puller in their own right. Remind me why getting 30,000 on a Monday night in 2004 means we will get 44,000 in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Good job you post on here Turkish to put us all right then isn't it. Tell me. How are your other predictions going? Did we get promoted last season because you said we wouldn't? How far ahead of us in the league are Leicester because you said that we wouldn't be able to live with them this season. How many goals has Craig Mackail Smith scored for Leicester this season as you were so sure that is where he was going? Cue another childish tamptrum from Turkish as he is unable to respond constuctively.He knows everything and all in the garden is rosy if everyone believes him. So because CMA chose Brighton ahead of Leicester we suddenly need a bigger stadium do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 You say "prudent", but overlook the amount of money shown in the accounts Liebherr put in during the first season. Rupert Lowe didn't put any money of note in, nor did he spend on Staplewood anywhere near the amount the club are currently spending. Of course, the Libhers spent 12m on buying the club plus and extra 8m on players and other investment. That means they're bound to spend another 36m on 12000 extra seats because we didn't sell out against Bolton in 2004 due to only 200 away fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 @ Dorkish. The levels of genius on this forum never cease to amaze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 Did you not bother to actually read my post - this is a thread called "expansion to 44,000". To make a move like that anything like viable then we would be needing twenty thousand extra fans than turned up last night for a top of the table clash which marked a record breaking home league run. So let me get this straight. To justify a 44,000 seat stadium, we would need to fill it on a Tuesday night in the second division? Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 November, 2011 Share Posted 30 November, 2011 (edited) So let me get this straight. To justify a 44,000 seat stadium, we would need to fill it on a Tuesday night in the second division? Right. Given it was our 20th home win in a row, playing great football and top of the league is it unreasonable for a fanbase that thinks it could get 44k in the premier league to get 12,000 less than that for a match against a promotion rival? Where were they? 32,000 should be easily achievable given the catchment area, fan base, potential, investment Wolves expansion and Chelsea getting a good crowd compared in 1982 last night. Edited 30 November, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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