70's Mike Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 SO we are fans/supporters now NOT customers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 30 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 30 October, 2008 well having players come and with htier thoughts is communicating with its customers,but the customers dont want to beleive it and so they may as well tell us to f### off as that is what it seems fans want. Trying to decipher the joibberish you have written, you make the mistake of thinking that we are customers of Killer. Killer is an employee, who is employed to play football (and very good he is at that particular job). As far as I know he is not employed in the accountancy office and is not employed to make financial statements. I have no problem with Killer issuing a rallying call, and have no doubt that these are his words, but he has been told the financial situation by others and "encouraged" to include this in a rallying call on the OS because those who should be telling us what is going on do not have the gumption to be able to communicate effectively with their customers. They need to realise that those same customers are leaving in their droves because of the poor standard of football (results) being dished up by a third rate coach/top class man. They are desparate to attract back supporters but do not want to see how that can be achieved because they know it would prove that their glorious experiment was a complete and utter disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 You don't "read" Braille ....... you feel it ....... No, actually you read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 I would bet my bottom dollar that Killer's excellent heart-felt message are words straight from his mouth alone - and feck-all to do with Lowe in any way, shape or form. Killer wants to tell it how it is - and 95% of the replies in this thread turn it into an anti-Lowe fest ffs!!! You couldn't make it up... And so what do you deduce from that? That the forum is totally unrepresentative of the fan base? That they don't believe that Lowe had nothing to do with the message? That 95% of the people on here have no intelligence to form their own conclusions? I'm afraid that if there is some cynicism here, it is because of precedent of spin from the board on the OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 err..3000, really? Yep. OK, maybe not specifically this week a year ago, but around this point in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 And so what do you deduce from that? That the forum is totally unrepresentative of the fan base? That they don't believe that Lowe had nothing to do with the message? That 95% of the people on here have no intelligence to form their own conclusions? I'm afraid that if there is some cynicism here, it is because of precedent of spin from the board on the OS. I deduce that - in some people's eyes - Lowe is responsible for all the wars in the world - famine in Africa - the credit crunch - herpes - the shooting in Dallas of President Kennedy - every foot & mouth outbreak - global warming - yadda yadda yadda.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 I deduce that - in some people's eyes - Lowe is responsible for all the wars in the world - famine in Africa - the credit crunch - herpes - the shooting in Dallas of President Kennedy - every foot & mouth outbreak - global warming - yadda yadda yadda.... You missed out the demise of our football club from that list. That was very remiss of you, as most of the other things you listed mean less to many than that on a personal level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 I deduce that - in some people's eyes - Lowe is responsible for all the wars in the world - famine in Africa - the credit crunch - herpes - the shooting in Dallas of President Kennedy - every foot & mouth outbreak - global warming - yadda yadda yadda.... I would also add the unelectablitity of the Conservative Party during the early 90's due to him and his cohorts (Sir James Goldsmith etc) exasserbating a split in the party which served to highlight their infighting. Sir James Goldsmith was also instrumental in David Mellor losing his seat at the election when the Referendum Party was at it's brief peak. Therefore Lowe was directly responsible for 10 years of New Labour and is the reason why our country is currently broke. Welldone Rupert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mprobert Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Siily me, came straight to page two of the thread expecting to see something about Killer's pleas to supporters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 And therein lies the problem for me. Rightly or wrongly, as long as we aren't going great guns on the pitch, then Lowe will be seen as a divisive figure amongst many of the fanbase. We certainly need to engender a spirit of togetherness to help us get through this dark period, but sadly I feel that as long as Lowe is at the helm then we will never achieve such a spirit. If there was someone/something to rally around, then Killer's words would be seen as a call to arms. Instead, it is seen by many as a desperate attempt by Lowe to get us onside. Neither he nor Wilde can engender that spirit as there is too much history behind them and instead of uniting the supporters, they actually exasperate the divide and bitterness. All sounds very rational, but we all know from your previous ******, it's all about removing Lowe for you, irrespective of what is best for Saints. I have lost count of the number of times you have argued the case for Wilde until you had that road to Damascus conversion, coincidentally at exactly the same time Wilde backed Lowe. Now your allegiance switches to the idiot Crouch with no one else aligned against Lowe. If Crouch had wised up and tried to do the best for Saints instead of getting caught up in these petty battles you seem so fond of, I could happily accept him. All I have ever wanted is for someone to wake up and smell the P45's before it was too late, who ever that may be. But all Crouch did in those final weeks was to hunker down in the bunker telling us the cavalry was coming. So it was Lowe that came in and tried to sort out the mess and for that I am grateful, he even managed to avoid the petty battles, no recriminations, kept his mouth shut and rosy cheeks out of the way. Just cast your mind back and remember when you were spouting this ****** the first time round and that Wilde was our saviour for a new beginning that will all be hunky dory once Lowe is removed. Any of that starting to come back yet? or has the EST just made it a distant glimmer? As has been shown comsistently in our past and other clubs past with similar issues, it's always best if they find a way of working together. The return of this spirit you keep talking about dropped last time upon Wildes entry and still resulted in record low gates with Lowe no where near the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Just cast your mind back and remember when you were spouting this ****** the first time round and that Wilde was our saviour for a new beginning that will all be hunky dory once Lowe is removed. Any of that starting to come back yet? or has the EST just made it a distant glimmer? Well maybe you should go back and dig out these quotes of mine saying that Wilde would be our saviour. And if you think I (or others) guaranteed that things would be hunky dory, then like many of your other posts on here, you're into the realms of pure fantasy. What I did say however was that under Lowe's stewardship we were going nowhere and change was necessary. We were nowhere near getting promoted under Lowe and the Club was going backwards at a very alarming rate. I still stand by that and Lowe's recent return has just hardened that belief, as once again we are going even further backwards under his stewardship with the Club slowly imploding. He was a divisive figure then (as well as a poor strategist in this league) and he is exactly the same this time around. Instead, what you will find is a consistent warning from the day we got relegated that unless we got promoted within the parachute period we would really struggle. Of course many viewed that as anti Lowe rhetoric back in 2005, bu sadly those chickens have come home to roost. The return of this spirit you keep talking about dropped last time upon Wildes entry and still resulted in record low gates with Lowe no where near the club. I would actually say that the first season with Wilde/Hone at the helm did show some spirit and some belief on and off the pitch. Attendances held up against the prior season (when many season tickets were bought when we were still in the top flight) and getting into the play offs was the closest we ever got to being promoted and saving ourselves from a finanical meltdown. We got closer to promotion (and ultimate salvation) under Wilde/Hone than we did under Lowe. We are now facing the problem of a £13m income and a cost base and infrastruture that is (and probably always will be) in excess of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 I would actually say that the first season with Wilde/Hone at the helm did show some spirit and some belief on and off the pitch. QUOTE] For all Wilde has done wrong since, and for how horribly it went wrong with Burley, that pre-season, and for large parts of that season, was actually very exciting and as good as it's got since 2003/04 pre season. The atmosphere was brilliant. The sad thing for me, at the moment, is Lowe kept on last time about 'Not doing a Leeds' Well we're not. I mean we've had all the same lows as Leeds but none of the highs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 "We are now facing the problem of a £13m income and a cost base and infrastruture that is (and probably always will be) in excess of that." Spot-on and who built that infrastructure without ever having the means to pay for it? Yup - Rupert. SCW had some good ideas but we wasted the first parachute season in 05/06 on needless experiments and fast forward to 08/09 and he's at it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 All sounds very rational, but we all know from your previous ******, it's all about removing Lowe for you, irrespective of what is best for Saints. There was really no point in reading any further than this as in the very first sentence you had encapsulated the very solution to all our problems, but you got some of the words in the wrong order. What is best for Saints is removing Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 31 October, 2008 Share Posted 31 October, 2008 Well Said Killer - I hope you can push that feeling into the lads and we can come away with an unlikely win this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 31 October, 2008 Share Posted 31 October, 2008 I would also add the unelectablitity of the Conservative Party during the early 90's due to him and his cohorts (Sir James Goldsmith etc) exasserbating a split in the party which served to highlight their infighting. Sir James Goldsmith was also instrumental in David Mellor losing his seat at the election when the Referendum Party was at it's brief peak. Therefore Lowe was directly responsible for 10 years of New Labour and is the reason why our country is currently broke. Welldone Rupert. The country is broke because of greedy bankers and their unscrupulous practices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voteforpedro Posted 31 October, 2008 Share Posted 31 October, 2008 Hull were playing in front of 3000 at home this time last season. They're living proof that if you're 100% committed (as our players say they are) then you don't need a full stadium. :confused: not sure where you got that number from. Last season their lowest attendance was 14,822. The season before their lowest was 14,895. Infact even in the 02/03 season when they were in div 3 (League 2) their lowest attendance was 7,684. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 October, 2008 Share Posted 31 October, 2008 :confused: not sure where you got that number from. Last season their lowest attendance was 14,822. The season before their lowest was 14,895. Infact even in the 02/03 season when they were in div 3 (League 2) their lowest attendance was 7,684. Got the figure off MOTD - it may well have been a cup fixture, I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 31 October, 2008 Share Posted 31 October, 2008 While I do believe it is Killers place to be making a statement like that given the obvious financial plight of the club, I do not appreciate some of the sentiment or message. I do not blame him particularly because I believe that at least part of the message was scripted for him without any shadow of doubt. What I find utterly disgraceful is how such a long and contrived message can somehow miss the fact that there is a considerable difference between the supporters that bought an ST and those that walk-up on matchday. As an ST holder I have done EVERYTHING I can do to help support the club. I DO NOT appreciate being told that I should stand-up and be counted FFS!!! I HAVE DONE THIS ALREADY BY BUYING MY ST AND ATTENDING EVERY GODDAMN AWFUL GAME SERVED UP TO DATE, EVEN IN THE FACE OF SEEING THE TEAM I PAID TO WATCH BEING SHIPPED OUT THE DOOR BY LOWE!!! PLEASE Mr Lowe and all your staff - do not tell me or any other suffering ST holder to stand and be counted... EVER AGAIN! Rant over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nutkins Posted 31 October, 2008 Share Posted 31 October, 2008 While I do believe it is Killers place to be making a statement like that given the obvious financial plight of the club, I do not appreciate some of the sentiment or message. I do not blame him particularly because I believe that at least part of the message was scripted for him without any shadow of doubt. What I find utterly disgraceful is how such a long and contrived message can somehow miss the fact that there is a considerable difference between the supporters that bought an ST and those that walk-up on matchday. As an ST holder I have done EVERYTHING I can do to help support the club. I DO NOT appreciate being told that I should stand-up and be counted FFS!!! I HAVE DONE THIS ALREADY BY BUYING MY ST AND ATTENDING EVERY GODDAMN AWFUL GAME SERVED UP TO DATE, EVEN IN THE FACE OF SEEING THE TEAM I PAID TO WATCH BEING SHIPPED OUT THE DOOR BY LOWE!!! PLEASE Mr Lowe and all your staff - do not tell me or any other suffering ST holder to stand and be counted... EVER AGAIN! Rant over... Well said, that man. Also do not forget when we shelled out for season tickets last March, we also had a free ####ing bus.I have stood up, you have counted my money........now you do something for me.:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven on the wing Posted 31 October, 2008 Share Posted 31 October, 2008 With the promised brave new world of total football, how encouraging it is to hear 14 games in to the season from the club captain that "the players definitely havenot given up on promotion". The chairman clearly did when he loaned out our top three strikers ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 31 October, 2008 Share Posted 31 October, 2008 Why could Rupert Lowe not do the right thing for the good of the Club and leave? That would at a stroke remove the most divisive figure and would enable these calls for support from Killer and others to be heard without having to overcome the Lowe factor. Lowe must go, end of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 31 October, 2008 Share Posted 31 October, 2008 Why could Rupert Lowe not do the right thing for the good of the Club and leave? That would at a stroke remove the most divisive figure and would enable these calls for support from Killer and others to be heard without having to overcome the Lowe factor. Lowe must go, end of. and who do you suggest takes his place? at least give a realistic viable alternative. lowe gone or not makes no difference whatsoever,he is a major shareholder which has the backing of other major shareholders,unless he is willing to cash in his shares at a great loss then he will always in someway have a say in the running of the club.i dont see and have never seen a large queue waiting to jump into the hotseat and i dont envisage one being there in the near future. the only fair way to get the right man for the job is to have him/her elected like they do on the continent.the fans vote for a certain candidate that puts himself/herself up for election based on promises to sign a certain player or achieve a certain goal.this would please the majority of the fanbase and also help to achieve their expectations. if it doesnt work out then come the next election somebody else gets a crack at the top job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 31 October, 2008 Share Posted 31 October, 2008 I would bet my bottom dollar that Killer's excellent heart-felt message are words straight from his mouth alone - and feck-all to do with Lowe in any way, shape or form. Killer wants to tell it how it is - and 95% of the replies in this thread turn it into an anti-Lowe fest ffs!!! You couldn't make it up... Well i would bet mine that they aren't. Look at the first word on paragraph 3 "Whilst....". Now "whilst" is an archaic use of "while" and one that is not taught to people learning English as a foreign language. He is, after all, Swedish. While the Swedes generally have very good English, they are "while"-ers and not "whilst"-ers. OK, you can say its just someone editing his comments, but NOT "straight from his mouth alone". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 31 October, 2008 Share Posted 31 October, 2008 While I do believe it is Killers place to be making a statement like that given the obvious financial plight of the club, I do not appreciate some of the sentiment or message. I do not blame him particularly because I believe that at least part of the message was scripted for him without any shadow of doubt. What I find utterly disgraceful is how such a long and contrived message can somehow miss the fact that there is a considerable difference between the supporters that bought an ST and those that walk-up on matchday. As an ST holder I have done EVERYTHING I can do to help support the club. I DO NOT appreciate being told that I should stand-up and be counted FFS!!! I HAVE DONE THIS ALREADY BY BUYING MY ST AND ATTENDING EVERY GODDAMN AWFUL GAME SERVED UP TO DATE, EVEN IN THE FACE OF SEEING THE TEAM I PAID TO WATCH BEING SHIPPED OUT THE DOOR BY LOWE!!! PLEASE Mr Lowe and all your staff - do not tell me or any other suffering ST holder to stand and be counted... EVER AGAIN! Rant over... Top post and i agree with every word. Also like Teddy Nutkins point about the free buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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