david in sweden Posted 22 November, 2011 Share Posted 22 November, 2011 (edited) ...will be the "loan players " all the sites are talking about as " make weights " for the deal ? My bets go for Ryan Dickson, not a bad player but too far down the list, and Lee Holmes who i would definitely want to keep but he needs games to get himself some form if he is to be in the running for a spot in the squad.. IMO Dan Harding has to be kept here as our back-up for Danny Fox, but without Butterfield we have no other established right back as cover for Richardson - not at present that is ..... Edited 22 November, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 22 November, 2011 Share Posted 22 November, 2011 it all depends......on what sort of players they need at, Coventry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 22 November, 2011 Share Posted 22 November, 2011 Loan them Lambert as he's a one trick pony! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 22 November, 2011 it all depends......on what sort of players they need at, Coventry. of course, but looking at their League position AND defensive record ( or lack of it ) ....I'd say defenders were a priority... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batterseasaint Posted 22 November, 2011 Share Posted 22 November, 2011 If they let Jutkiewicz join us, they will be clearly short of a striker. Wouldn't surprise me if Connolly or Barnard goes the other way, just for a month or so. If Connolly goes, we still have Barnard as another option up front and vice versa, while we would also have Jutkiewicz and Stief just in case something happens to Rickie or Guly. Am not sure what the benefit would be to Connolly going on loan at his age, whereas it might do Barny some good to get some match fitness, as I'm not sure he will get much opportunity to start for us just yet. And I quite like the idea of Barny knocking in some goals against teams that we are competing with! Coventry aren't going to be challenging us, so why not lend them one of our better players who won't get much game time for us at the moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 22 November, 2011 Share Posted 22 November, 2011 I'm not sure anyone will go to Coventry. They are financially in a huge mess and letting LJ leave on loan will just get him off the books I'm not convinced about the guy though. I've seen him play a few times and I don't think he's particularly good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damers Posted 22 November, 2011 Share Posted 22 November, 2011 I think this whole LJ thing is just a negotiating tactic for Maynard, I may be wrong but who knows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 22 November, 2011 Share Posted 22 November, 2011 IF we signed LJ with players going the other way, my bet would be one of Dickson or Holmes, plus Barnard for a month or two, just to re-gain some match fitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 22 November, 2011 Share Posted 22 November, 2011 I would think Holmes would go personally and I also think that Lukas would be a great asset!! Joos great example of a new player in a settled and confident side!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 22 November, 2011 Share Posted 22 November, 2011 Where is all this hype about Jutkiewizc coming from? Does his goal record justify all this talk? don't think it is that good. Fail to see how loaning them Barnard (who although unproven at this level did score frequently in L1, knows the Saints way of playing and is a known quantity for Adkins) for LJ makes any sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 November, 2011 Share Posted 22 November, 2011 Where is all this hype about Jutkiewizc coming from? Does his goal record justify all this talk? don't think it is that good. Fail to see how loaning them Barnard (who although unproven at this level did score frequently in L1, knows the Saints way of playing and is a known quantity for Adkins) for LJ makes any sense? It's the same hype as Brian Howard,Brian Stock, you name any footballer who was once with our youth set-up and is perceived,rightly or wrongly,to be a Saints fans and he suddenly become a cross between Messi,Zidane and Beckenbauer every transfer or loan window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 November, 2011 Share Posted 22 November, 2011 Thorn on local radio after the Saints game said he had been given permission to bring in a loanee and it would be a midfielder, so he is clearly looking in that position. Whether we have what he is looking for is a different matter, but only Dickson and Holmes are available really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 22 November, 2011 Share Posted 22 November, 2011 If we're signing a striker on an emergency loan because we don't have enough strikers, we're not going to send one of our remaining strikers out on loan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Karloff Posted 22 November, 2011 Share Posted 22 November, 2011 They might take Doble given he's about as much chance of getting in the first team as I have at the moment. His rather average contribution at Bompey might put them off though. Dickson is the logical one though. seems totally surplus to requirements at the moment and really needs to be playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 22 November, 2011 Share Posted 22 November, 2011 In Adkins we trust. While I personally approve of signing Jutkiewicz, a useful player, (although not at the £3million quoted - wasn't there a link to him for less than a million in the summer?), I think we do need a striking addition up front. I like Barnard, Guly and Lambert, but Connolly is getting on in age and still picking up knocks. We need insurance to Lambert's position, and a replacement for Connolly. The replacement for Connolly can wait until the summer when we know what league we're in, but strengthening up front in case we lose Lambert makes common sense. (However unlikely losing him seems, he's a machine, but the worst could happen.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 22 November, 2011 Share Posted 22 November, 2011 The sad fact of the January transfer window is whoever we go for, we'll be paying a far higher price than we would have done pre-season. Prices are always a bit daft as clubs don't want to lose players half-way through the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 22 November, 2011 In Adkins we trust. While I personally approve of signing Jutkiewicz, a useful player, (although not at the £3million quoted - wasn't there a link to him for less than a million in the summer?), I think we do need a striking addition up front. I like Barnard, Guly and Lambert, but Connolly is getting on in age and still picking up knocks. We need insurance to Lambert's position, and a replacement for Connolly. The replacement for Connolly can wait until the summer when we know what league we're in, but strengthening up front in case we lose Lambert makes common sense. (However unlikely losing him seems, he's a machine, but the worst could happen.) I like Barnard and Guly and Lambert and I wouldn't be wanting to see them replaced... but it's only sensible to get cover up front. Lukas is young enough to be coached ..(look at what we did with Ricky compared to when he first came) .. If anything were to happen to any of the above three we would need some sort of viable alternative, but don't let's have people comparing him to Ricky after his first game.....it'll take time for him to get off the bench and earn his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 22 November, 2011 Share Posted 22 November, 2011 The sad fact of the January transfer window is whoever we go for, we'll be paying a far higher price than we would have done pre-season. Prices are always a bit daft as clubs don't want to lose players half-way through the season. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 November, 2011 Share Posted 22 November, 2011 I would be rather ****ed off if we replace Barnard with LJ TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 How bad are coventry's finances ? If they are on the edge again they may well take a low ish bid to survive & see it as a player off the wage bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 To be honest i think were better offer signing Billy Sharp or Nicky Manyard, both have better goal ratios, and Manyard is quick which is what we need. LJ would be a good loan signing till Jan for cover, but would he really wanna just be here on loan for a short term ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 I think Juko would be a revelation here, cant believe some are writing him off before he has even signed, he may not even come!! Joos has proved the doubters wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Could Connolly (when over his minor knock) be surplus to requirements if Jutkiewicz comes in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 I would say Jukes 7 goals for a very weak Coventry side is a very good ratio.. all goal scoring ratios are relative to the amount of supply you get anyhow. Look at the percentage of Coventrys goals Jukes has scored, I think it's about 50%. If Lambert had scored the same percentage for us.. how many would he have now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Could Connolly (when over his minor knock) be surplus to requirements if Jutkiewicz comes in? No, he is the cleverest player we have at the club, he will always be useful to have around when fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 (edited) I can see the point of view in bringing in another 'big' striker as cover for Lambert I suppose, but the Coventry boards are saying 3 million for LJ. I can't see the point in paying 3 million for someone who won't get in the team ahead of our current strikers IMO that would be nuts and lets face it LJ ain't really anywhere near Lambert. Still I actually feel kind of sorry for coventry fans so If we could loan them some of our fringe players (for fitness, experince) and help them out I wouldn't be to upset. Edited 23 November, 2011 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 I would say Jukes 7 goals for a very weak Coventry side is a very good ratio.. all goal scoring ratios are relative to the amount of supply you get anyhow. Look at the percentage of Coventrys goals Jukes has scored, I think it's about 50%. If Lambert had scored the same percentage for us.. how many would he have now? Well, 6 more as we've scored 40 in the league so he's scored 35% of our goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Karloff Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Makes sense to me. Get him in now see how he goes and if necessary we can always get someone else in in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Well, 6 more as we've scored 40 in the league so he's scored 35% of our goals. probably not so much,depends how many more penalties we would have obtained doesn't it. Lambert has 12 league goals this season, 5 penalties in that number I think. So 7 open play goals. LJ has 7 league goals of which only 1 is from a penalty.So Lambert scores an open play goal in 7/17 ths of the games he plays,for LJ it's 6/18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 November, 2011 I would be rather ****ed off if we replace Barnard with LJ TBH. me too, but it rather depends on what the judge decides - doesn't it ? If the worst were to happen at least we 'd have some cover..if Ricky were to be injured..surely no one would have asked the question .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 November, 2011 Share Posted 23 November, 2011 probably not so much,depends how many more penalties we would have obtained doesn't it. Lambert has 12 league goals this season, 5 penalties in that number I think. So 7 open play goals. LJ has 7 league goals of which only 1 is from a penalty.So Lambert scores an open play goal in 7/17 ths of the games he plays,for LJ it's 6/18. Also worth considering how many more chances Lambert will have had than Jutkiewicz to get to that total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 November, 2011 Could Connolly (when over his minor knock) be surplus to requirements if Jutkiewicz comes in? Most 4-4-2 line-ups seem to have one big man, and a smaller, faster player up front to play off him. Fairly obviously Barnard (subject to the discretion of the Court) and Connolly (injuries permitting) are one pair to choose from but Lambert doesn't have a natural replacement - and Lukas looks to be that. Please... no-one say he's not as good as RL - thats obvious, but there is no other logical choices and good as Guly is, he can only manage 60-75 mins. games before being subbed. No-one is surplus to requirements if they are in the squad .. and fit. Whether Lukas - or anyone else for that matter - will be good enough to get a regular spot in OUR eventual Prem.side (God willing) remains to be seen but his presence in the squad, and possible contributions to the team... may be enough to see us over the finish line in May. Who is likely to be in next seasons squad is anyone's guess, but good performances in the Spring will obviously play a part. Come back in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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