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What happened, did you get jilted? I've got a vision of you sitting in a corner in a darkened room, your face lit only by Turkish's Facebook profile on your laptop, a bottle of gin in one hand and your own penis in the other.

 

lol, the dozy tw*t was supposed to have a pint with me before the game on saturday. As soon as I mentioned it was his round he suddenly decided he couldnt make it ;)

 

Incidentally, what is this Facebook of which you speak?

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A Southampton man, 28, and a man from Romsey, 26, were charged under section 5 of the Public Order Act, relating to homophobic abuse.

 

A man, 38, from London, was charged under section 5 of the Public Order Act, relating to abusive behaviour.

 

All three were bailed to appear before Southampton magistrates on 2 December.

 

They all have bail conditions preventing them from attending any football matches.

 

A 27-year-old man from Hove in East Sussex received a caution after being arrested for throwing a bottle.

 

Wow, 2 Southampton fans arrested and face court for "homophobic abuse" (would be interesting to know what was said)...yet a Brighton fan is released with a caution for 'throwing a bottle'. The local OB certainly don't like Saints fans with plenty getting prison for far less than 'throwing a bottle' a little while ago.

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lol, the dozy tw*t was supposed to have a pint with me before the game on saturday. As soon as I mentioned it was his round he suddenly decided he couldnt make it ;)

 

Incidentally, what is this Facebook of which you speak?

 

You're talking to the wrong person if you want sympathy mate, Mikey is of jock desent, he'll understand my keeness to keep my pounds i my pocket and not in your belly. Until next time at least. ;)

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Bloke in 42/CC or DD spent most of the first half calling Guly a "stupid black ****" before moving on to homophobic stuff ("We are Southampton, we hate ****ing queers") and ending up with offering Brighton lads out as he wandered off for his half-time pint. All this right in front of the OB, including our friend with the camera. I hope he's one of the ones arrested, they must have enough evidence...

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this is all about burrows and his next promotion, chants now worst than throwing a bottle

world has gone mad

 

Didn't a Saints fan get a year for throwing a bottle after the last Pompey game? I'm pretty sure they did. Still Brighton fans nicked and banned dont help Elliott Ness's stats and promotion chances. No doubt we'll hear a grad statement if and when these lads are banned about how he wont tolerate this type of behaviour with a few pictures of him alongside it as well. I've never known such a media hungry celebrity copper.

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Bloke in 42/CC or DD spent most of the first half calling Guly a "stupid black ****" before moving on to homophobic stuff ("We are Southampton, we hate ****ing queers") and ending up with offering Brighton lads out as he wandered off for his half-time pint. All this right in front of the OB, including our friend with the camera. I hope he's one of the ones arrested, they must have enough evidence...

 

No chance, this is Hampshire Plod we are talking about - that guy sounds like way too much hard work.

 

All they wanted was a couple of arrests to get some publicity and make an example, doesn't matter who it was. I expect a couple of soft looking blokes joined in "we can see you holding hands" and got nicked.

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No chance, this is Hampshire Plod we are talking about

 

They do seem to have inconsistent standards in recent times along with the courts. While we get Saints fans arrested, even jailed, for some very dubious crimes, a Brighton fan walking after throwing at bottle (presumably at someone) on Saturday and the biggest head-scratcher of all, what went on down the road a few weeks back.

 

A couple of lone Cardiff fans going back to their car were attacked (assault?) as they walked past a skate pub. Heavily outnumbered the landlord came out to help them and was also attacked leaving him with a broken nose (ABH/GBH?). The only thing that probably saved the Taffs (oops, am I allowed to call them Taffs?) was that a coach load of Cardiff fans just happened to go by while this was taking place. It stopped up the road and some piled off to come back and help them out. A brawl followed (affray?), all caught on CCTV until the OB turned up. Arrests were made, court appearances followed...and they all walked away.

 

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/east-hampshire/eight_supporters_avoid_prison_after_portsmouth_brawl_1_3087438

 

What's the difference between the two ends of the M27 where football crimes are involved?

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They do seem to have inconsistent standards in recent times along with the courts. While we get Saints fans arrested, even jailed, for some very dubious crimes, a Brighton fan walking after throwing at bottle (presumably at someone) on Saturday and the biggest head-scratcher of all, what went on down the road a few weeks back.

 

A couple of lone Cardiff fans going back to their car were attacked (assault?) as they walked past a skate pub. Heavily outnumbered the landlord came out to help them and was also attacked leaving him with a broken nose (ABH/GBH?). The only thing that probably saved the Taffs (oops, am I allowed to call them Taffs?) was that a coach load of Cardiff fans just happened to go by while this was taking place. It stopped up the road and some piled off to come back and help them out. A brawl followed (affray?), all caught on CCTV until the OB turned up. Arrests were made, court appearances followed...and they all walked away.

 

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/east-hampshire/eight_supporters_avoid_prison_after_portsmouth_brawl_1_3087438

 

What's the difference between the two ends of the M27 where football crimes are involved?

 

there are a couple of current football intelligence officers at saints who are based at Fratton police station, make of that what you will. We also have a "banning order officer" who is responsible for issuing bans, that is basically his job, so it is in their interests to keep the bans coming and keeps them in their jobs,

 

for the lads who got nicked, depending what evidence they have against you i would recommend contacting the football supporters federation who may be able to assist with you fighting against the case.

unfortunately unless they earn less that 15k they almost certainly won't get legal aid so will have to fight the charge at considerable expense of use a duty solicitor on the day.

 

section 5 public order is being used increasingly against football fans and is a charge of choice of the OB due to it's nature - they just have to say the words used could cause harrassment, alarm or distress to someone in the area, it is a vague charge and in front of a judge can be hard to defend against.

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It's a bit different though. Think it's more the discrimination against a particular group of people, rather than the dislike of individuals. Don't get me wrong, i think the arrests are a bit of a joke, but homophobic chanting isn't the nicest thing in the world. When i say this i mean songs like "HIV Positive" and "we are southampton, we ****ing hate queers". The "holding hands" and "here for the shopping" songs are all good banter IMO. There is a line, and when it gets crossed it's not the nicest thing to hear.

 

A good mate of mine is of Asian-origin, and i remember one away game at Luton a good number of saints fans were singing "town full of pakis" during the game. Although i am white, it was pretty uncomfortable to hear and i know my mate felt pretty **** about it. I'd be interested to hear from a gay saints fan about which songs he finds offensive, or makes him feel uncomfortable...

 

Interesting, as I had this conversation on the weekend with a gay Saints fan and he basically used the same analogy about whether people would sing songs about curry and expect it not to be deemed racist. Did he feel uncomfortable about it ? He went in the Chapel instead of the Northam, so I would guess yes, a bit. Made me rethink the whole thing a bit anyway, it was all healthy debate and he was vaguely amused by some of our other mates singing "we can see you holding hands" at my mate and his wife on the way to the ground.

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You're talking to the wrong person if you want sympathy mate, Mikey is of jock desent, he'll understand my keeness to keep my pounds i my pocket and not in your belly. Until next time at least. ;)

 

wtf? Mikeys a jock??? Get him on the corner turks, I'll show him some real jockism :lol:

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Two Southampton fans have been accused of homophobic chanting at St Mary's Stadium during Saturday's Championship game against Brighton and Hove Albion.

 

A Southampton man, 28, and a man from Romsey, 26, were charged under section 5 of the Public Order Act, relating to homophobic abuse.

 

A man, 38, from London, was charged under section 5 of the Public Order Act, relating to abusive behaviour.

 

All three were bailed to appear before Southampton magistrates on 2 December.

 

They all have bail conditions preventing them from attending any football matches.

 

A 27-year-old man from Hove in East Sussex received a caution after being arrested for throwing a bottle.

 

A Hampshire Constabulary spokeswoman said: "There were some small pockets of fighting amongst the rival fans as they left the ground after the game in Northam Road, but these were quickly dispersed by officers and no further arrests were necessary."

 

So a few chants are arrestable but fighting isn't? Typical police.

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I have to say, reading the whole of this thread, Saints fans don't come out of it looking too good. There seems to be a basic lack of understaning between banter and homophobic comments combined with an in built prejudice against anyone employed to enforce decent standards of behaviour. Maybe we've not moved away from the 60's as much as I previously thought. Bit depressing really!

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I have to say, reading the whole of this thread, Saints fans don't come out of it looking too good. There seems to be a basic lack of understaning between banter and homophobic comments combined with an in built prejudice against anyone employed to enforce decent standards of behaviour. Maybe we've not moved away from the 60's as much as I previously thought. Bit depressing really!

 

Yup, plus they are too quick to dismiss "chants" as trivial "holding hands", as if they actually know what was said/shouted/chanted, and ergo police are ****s. Thats prejudice too. Not even willing to see what the charges are all about, just presumption and bile. Normal sort of crap then from ****ed ****-heads, or am i now being stereo-typing?

 

Oh well, give it another 50 years.....

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No you are absolutely correct. Another point to consider is that the Police were acting on complaints from the Brighton fans. I guess that's wrong as well......Police in 'respond to complaint froma member of the public shocker' .....If the ball was on the other foot so to speak. No, that'll go over their heads to.

 

 

Yup, plus they are too quick to dismiss "chants" as trivial "holding hands", as if they actually know what was said/shouted/chanted, and ergo police are ****s. Thats prejudice too. Not even willing to see what the charges are all about, just presumption and bile. Normal sort of crap then from ****ed ****-heads, or am i now being stereo-typing?

 

Oh well, give it another 50 years.....

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Christ almighty, get off your high horses.

 

If an individual gets verbally abused specifically because of their skin colour or sexual preference, that is x-phobic and should be dealt with by the authorities.

 

If a large group of people living in a town that is well known as a popular area for gay people go to another football stadium and get some basically good-natured songs sung at them, it doesnt mean that the opposition supporters consider them all to be homosexual and that that's a bad thing in itself.

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Christ almighty, get off your high horses.

 

If an individual gets verbally abused specifically because of their skin colour or sexual preference, that is x-phobic and should be dealt with by the authorities.

 

If a large group of people living in a town that is well known as a popular area for gay people go to another football stadium and get some basically good-natured songs sung at them, it doesnt mean that the opposition supporters consider them all to be homosexual and that that's a bad thing in itself.

It's nothing to do with high horses, and everything to do with the law.

 

As I posted earlier, but seems to have been ignored, it doesn't matter if you're an individual or in a group, if someone perceives that they have been the subject of homphobic comments they are entitled to complain and the Police are obligated to investigate.

 

brmbrm is spot on, there are a lot of assumptions on here about which comment the complaint(s) were received about, and I would imagine it is probably one of the specific comments about HIV or 'hating', but we simply don't know.

 

And as for the comparisons between incidents, that is also a complete non-starter, it's bad enough trying to second guess one incident that we know no details about, let alone compare it with another incident that we know no details about in different place!

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No you are absolutely correct. Another point to consider is that the Police were acting on complaints from the Brighton fans. I guess that's wrong as well......Police in 'respond to complaint froma member of the public shocker' .....If the ball was on the other foot so to speak. No, that'll go over their heads to.

 

funny how our celebrity copper can find time to have his picture in the paper and "clamp down" on football fans, but if you called them and reported a burglary a burglary they just add you to a list and no one would come out.

 

those of us who live in the real world can see what this is all about, football fans are an easy target for statistic hungry coppers.

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It's nothing to do with high horses, and everything to do with the law.

 

As I posted earlier, but seems to have been ignored, it doesn't matter if you're an individual or in a group, if someone perceives that they have been the subject of homphobic comments they are entitled to complain and the Police are obligated to investigate.

 

brmbrm is spot on, there are a lot of assumptions on here about which comment the complaint(s) were received about, and I would imagine it is probably one of the specific comments about HIV or 'hating', but we simply don't know.

 

And as for the comparisons between incidents, that is also a complete non-starter, it's bad enough trying to second guess one incident that we know no details about, let alone compare it with another incident that we know no details about in different place!

 

we know that Brighton fans have highlighted we can see you holding hands and does your boyfriend know you're here, and that is what prompted celebrity PC plod to launch his media campaign, it's a load of nonsense.

 

you sound like one of those people who get stressed and take offence on behalf of other people , oh you can't do this , you can't do that, it might offend someone, oh "it's against the law". pathetic, but somes up modern football, and you as a typical modern football fan

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Any wonder the Police are hated so much .... how can you arrest someone for singing a song yet give another a slap on the wrist for throwing a bottle ?? If that was a Saints fan that had thrown the bottle at a P*mpey fan, he would probably be looking at a 12 month stretch in prison !!!!

 

As we don't know the details it's a bit pointless to speculate. Were the bottle plastic, for example, then I don't think anyone would advocate a stretch in chokey. On the other hand the homophobic abuse may have been a lot worse than singing songs about hand-holding.

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we know that Brighton fans have highlighted we can see you holding hands and does your boyfriend know you're here, and that is what prompted celebrity PC plod to launch his media campaign, it's a load of nonsense.

But we don't know what the specific complaints are that led to the arrest. End of story.

 

you sound like one of those people who get stressed and take offence on behalf of other people , oh you can't do this , you can't do that, it might offend someone, oh "it's against the law". pathetic, but somes up modern football, and you as a typical modern football fan

Yeah, this respecting the law thing really is pathetic isn't it? I'm not stressed by it at all and no one can take offence on behalf of someone else because everyone has a different opinion on what is offensive to them or not. Equally, it's not up to you or anyone else to decide what is acceptable to chant or not. That's not my opinion, it's the facts.

 

There are plenty of laws we all disagree with or tend to turn a blind eye to... but you'd have to be pretty thick to knowingly and wilfully break a law when there are police around and you know it is something that has been highlighted as something they would be looking out for.

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Watching that clip of the Skates punch up with Cardiff, you have got to wonder at the double standards of our Hampshire judiciary. On the video there is evidence of someone blatantly kicking a bloke in the head whilst on the floor (probably deserved it but that's not the point!) and possibly receiving a suspended sentence (although I haven't got a clue if he was one of the one's convicted), whilst video evidence was used after last year's game against the Skates to send a Saints fans to prison (who had no previous record of any kind) for throwing a coin.

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Especially as there were probably no more (percentage wise) gay Brighton supporters present than on the Saint's side.

Nobody inside the ground was really insulted and nobody outside heard it.It's just mindless jibing at football,you call the opposition's supporters things that you think will irk them. Why do people not get arrested for insulting the ref? In a game like Saturday's there'd be about 3 people left in the ground after half time and they'd hold the magistrates court in Watt's Park.

 

Agree with this.......Have the police got this at the top their priority list right now??????? Are all rapes, violet robberies and burgleries solved in Southampton this month? These are the places that resources need to be targeted. On the other hand perhaps the government are right - Police are over manned and have too much time on their hands !!!!!!!! I've got nothing against gays either !! .....Before the over rightious politically correct start ! The police really do need to get a grip lol

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Football is turning into a joke. A Brighton fan was arrested at the game for swearing for f*ck sake. Soon we'll be getting arrested for swearing regularly.

 

have a look at the FSF website mate, there has been a big growth in the number of arrests at football for section 5 of the public order act, which is so vague it allows the police to pretty much nick anyone they want, they just have to say the words or actions you used caused harrassment, alarm or distress, they don't even need someone to go to court to say they were caused that distress, so yes by basically swearing they can nick you.

 

with the drop in violence at football the police have had to find new ways to keep their arrest rates up, and now focus on minor matters such as this. football is this country is a joke, and unfortunately at southampton we have drawn the short straw with people like Rick Burrows out to make a name of themselves

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Update on Echo site

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/9377494.Fans_charged_after_homophobic_chanting/

 

TWO Southampton FC fans have been charged with making homophobic chants during a home game against Brighton at St Mary’s on Saturday.

 

Rikesh Sakaaria, 28, from Bassett Avenue, in Bassett, Southampton, and Joseph Webb, 26, from Field Close, Romsey, each face a public order charge of making homophobic chants.

 

They were bailed to appear at Southampton Magistrates Court on Friday, December 2.

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Update on Echo site

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/9377494.Fans_charged_after_homophobic_chanting/

 

TWO Southampton FC fans have been charged with making homophobic chants during a home game against Brighton at St Mary’s on Saturday.

 

Rikesh Sakaaria, 28, from Bassett Avenue, in Bassett, Southampton, and Joseph Webb, 26, from Field Close, Romsey, each face a public order charge of making homophobic chants.

 

They were bailed to appear at Southampton Magistrates Court on Friday, December 2.

 

Rikesh...doesn't that mean big balls or something like that,you know like Peter means "the rock"

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have a look at the FSF website mate, there has been a big growth in the number of arrests at football for section 5 of the public order act, which is so vague it allows the police to pretty much nick anyone they want, they just have to say the words or actions you used caused harrassment, alarm or distress, they don't even need someone to go to court to say they were caused that distress, so yes by basically swearing they can nick you.

 

with the drop in violence at football the police have had to find new ways to keep their arrest rates up, and now focus on minor matters such as this. football is this country is a joke, and unfortunately at southampton we have drawn the short straw with people like Rick Burrows out to make a name of themselves

 

We've also seen the introduction of the indecent chanting charge in recent years. Another excuse the police can use along with section 5. These two things are so open to interpretation its frightening. They can do anything and charge anyone with minimal evidence, simply their interpretation of what someone might find offensive or distressing even if that someone is not even present. I'd expect to see plenty more of this with Elliott our celebrity copper hell bent on getting his picture on the paper as often as possible.

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We've also seen the introduction of the indecent chanting charge in recent years. Another excuse the police can use along with section 5. These two things are so open to interpretation its frightening. They can do anything and charge anyone with minimal evidence, simply their interpretation of what someone might find offensive or distressing even if that someone is not even present. I'd expect to see plenty more of this with Elliott our celebrity copper hell bent on getting his picture on the paper as often as possible.

 

It really is quite scary that the police can act as judge and jury without having to answer to anyone or have any reason/evidence to get a conviction.

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Watching that clip of the Skates punch up with Cardiff, you have got to wonder at the double standards of our Hampshire judiciary. On the video there is evidence of someone blatantly kicking a bloke in the head whilst on the floor (probably deserved it but that's not the point!) and possibly receiving a suspended sentence (although I haven't got a clue if he was one of the one's convicted), whilst video evidence was used after last year's game against the Skates to send a Saints fans to prison (who had no previous record of any kind) for throwing a coin.

 

And this statement by the same Hampshire Constabulary in that report just highlights the double-standards a little more.

 

Football intelligence officer PC Paul Foley said he was satisfied with the outcome. "The sentences reflect the seriousness of the incident," he said. "Hampshire police will continue to treat such matters seriously and will always investigate them to the fullest extent possible. This should be a reminder to those who would involve themselves in football-related violence."

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And this statement by the same Hampshire Constabulary in that report just highlights the double-standards a little more.

 

Football intelligence officer PC Paul Foley said he was satisfied with the outcome. "The sentences reflect the seriousness of the incident," he said. "Hampshire police will continue to treat such matters seriously and will always investigate them to the fullest extent possible. This should be a reminder to those who would involve themselves in football-related violence."

PC Foley based out of Fratton police station that also covers most Saints games. Just saying like.
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I doubt the people who were arrest were just singing the chants that many sung. I bet they went much much further than that.

 

Like doing what? THey've been charged with homophobic chanting, which suggests that is exactly what they MAY have done. We all know the the OB love to get the highest possible charges where they can.

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PC Foley based out of Fratton police station that also covers most Saints games. Just saying like.

 

'Tis funny that. So when we encounter the inevitable incoming artillery down there on the 18th we can no doubt expect mass arrests of Saints fans for 'headbutting bricks in a menacing manner, m'lud'.

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could they not get him for indecent exposure or some other vice related charge for that.

 

Don't think he dropped his cacks. Just stupid enough to do something that was highly visible and would have been picked up by the rozzers.

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