Worst decision ever made?

[warsash saint]

Neil Shipperleys disallowed goal at Old Trafford in a FA Cup game in the late 90's. Perfectly good header but disallowed for having the audacity of scoring against Mancester utd !

[Lets B Avenue]

WBA away in the play-off season. Kenwyn Jones got clear and Dean Keilly made a great one handed diving save. 5 yards outside the box. Inept female lino (not Andy Gray's friend) wasnt up with play and bottled it along with equally terrible ref. who played on.

[supersonic]

Pedro Mendes at Old Trafford when the ball was quite clearly 3 yards over the line. It was closer to touching the net than it was the line. You still have to think if it was a United player the goal would have stood.

 

Henry's handball and Lampard's "goal" v germany spring to mind.

 

as does the Arsenal v Sheff Utd FA cup match in the 90's where I think Kanu squared the ball to Overmars to score when Arsenal were supposed to pass the ball back to Utd for kicking it out of play for an injury

[supersonic]

Sorry to push you closer to the edge.

 

We lost 1-0.

 

Remember that game, Mario Melciott (sp) scored just after half time.

[Sheaf Saint]

That Kenny Monkou one really got my goat. We were all over them and he scored in the last minute, nowhere near a single West Ham player and Rennie waved it away. Pathetic refereeing, considering the amount of last minute goals we shipped in those days, we finally get to cheer one, and for no reason it gets called off.

 

Funny thing is, that a few weeks later I was in South Shields watching the finish of the Great North Run and who should be running into the finish straight but Rennie himself, gave him a right piece of my mind, you should have seen the look on his face!

 

I vividly remember this as I was so incensed about it at the time because we had been on a bad run, finally put in a great performance and deserved to get something out of it only to be robbed by the single worst refereeing decision I have ever seen.

 

As I recall we had a corner and Monkou had come up from the back. Razor Ruddock was marking him and when Monkou turned to make space for himself, Ruddock lost him completely, so much so that he ran into one of his own team-mates and fell flat on his arse. Rennie decided that because of this it must have been a foul by Monkou who actually didn't get anywhere near making any contact with him.

[Pilchards]

Sorry to push you closer to the edge.

 

We lost 1-0.

 

The day we won the Rugby world cup was on the 22nd of November 2003 and the match report for the game that day is

 

http://www.chelseafc.com/matchreport/20031122/southampton-0-chelsea-1_2249014_22729

 

 

I have officially got a crap memory.

 

[david in sweden]

kks goal against utd in 81/82 season.what a goal,kk wasnt even offside,probably better than rooneys or di canio

 

 

you're right that KK wasn't offside but the decision was given against David Armstrong who was further away from play, but stood offside when the ball was played. The offside law (in those days) meant that even of a player was stood on the touchline 50 yards away he will still be "offside " .

They (sensibly) changed that law some years ago and now it's OK providing that (in the ref's judgment) the player isn't interfering with play, or not involved in the move.

 

Pity 'cos KKs goal was a beauty - wasn't it . Can be seen on old videos like Millenium Saints.

[keithd]

Nothing I've seen written down so far comes close to the outstandingly awful decision on Saturday.

[david in sweden]

Pedro Mendes at Old Trafford when the ball was quite clearly 3 yards over the line. It was closer to touching the net than it was the line. You still have to think if it was a United player the goal would have stood.

 

Henry's handball and Lampard's "goal" v germany spring to mind.

 

as does the Arsenal v Sheff Utd FA cup match in the 90's where I think Kanu squared the ball to Overmars to score when Arsenal were supposed to pass the ball back to Utd for kicking it out of play for an injury

 

Agree totally. Another good reason for the " fourth official " to be sat in front of a TV set (like the rest of us ) and see what really happened !

[Lymsaint]

On the match thread someone has commented that according to the rules of the game if the guy committing the foul is in the area at the time of the foul it is still a penalty, if this is the case then the decision may be worth a second look.

[Sheaf Saint]

On the match thread someone has commented that according to the rules of the game if the guy committing the foul is in the area at the time of the foul it is still a penalty, if this is the case then the decision may be worth a second look.

 

This reminds me of the debate that erupted on here after the play-off game against Derby at SMS in 2007 where Pele gave away a penalty. My argument was that the initial contact was outside the box and so should not have been a penalty, but the consensus was that he was still holding on to the attacker when they crossed the line at which point the Derby player decided to fall over. Bit of a grey area.

[Mozz]

On the match thread someone has commented that according to the rules of the game if the guy committing the foul is in the area at the time of the foul it is still a penalty, if this is the case then the decision may be worth a second look.

 

Actually had a look last night in view of that post and it still shouldn't be a pen as Lewis Dunk comes from the touchline side of Fonte so both the leg contact and the pull occurr when both men are outside the area.

[The9]

Armstrong was flagged as offside. Debatable if interfering with play or obscuring Bailey's line of vision though.

 

That was before "interfering" was part of the interpretation of laws, if an attacker was level or past the last defender he was given offside even if he was curled up next to the corner flag with two broken legs.

 

I seem to recall Danny Tiatto had one disallowed for Man City against Saints when he'd run about 40 yards with the ball and hammered it into the top corner too, except that one was AFTER the whole "interfering" thing and should have counted.

 

Don't forget that Ruud Van Nistelrooy's "not interfering" goal against Saints literally led to the rewriting of the interpretation - it had already been changed by the IFAB (aka "International Board") in the summer but no-one in the media had even mentioned the "you're not offside unless you actually play the ball" change until after we'd conceded that goal - and suddenly the week after the likes of Allardyce were standing players on the edge of the 6 yard box for free-kicks and instructing them not to play the ball. That interpretation has been reworked at least once since as a result, but it took us conceding a goal that NO-ONE outside the IFAB and the top referees thought should have stood to bring it to the public's attention.

[The9]

This reminds me of the debate that erupted on here after the play-off game against Derby at SMS in 2007 where Pele gave away a penalty. My argument was that the initial contact was outside the box and so should not have been a penalty, but the consensus was that he was still holding on to the attacker when they crossed the line at which point the Derby player decided to fall over. Bit of a grey area.

 

Not a grey area at all, he was clearly still fouling inside the box and when the player fell there was no advantage to give any more. The only grey area was the void in Pele's head for doing it.

[The9]

Actually had a look last night in view of that post and it still shouldn't be a pen as Lewis Dunk comes from the touchline side of Fonte so both the leg contact and the pull occurr when both men are outside the area.

 

Yeah, the only remote grounds for it being a penalty is that Fonte ends up sitting with his legs in the box, which has nothing to do with where the foul was committed. Even if Dunk had been fully stood in the box and Fonte outside, if the arm he was pulling him with was outside the area it still wouldn't be a pen.

 

Lampard's non-goal at the World Cup v Germany, The one Roy Carroll clawed back from 2 yards over the line at Old Trafford v Spurs, Spain had that disallowed "ball which was claimed to be "out of play" didn't even touch, never mind cross, the goal-line" effort against South Korea in 2002, all contenders, along with that terrible decision in England's favour in the 1966 World Cup Final of course...

 

The goal given in the Championship a couple of seasons ago (was it Reading v Watford ?) when the ball went out for what should have been a goal kick fully 5 yards from the goal and never went near going between the posts gets it for me though.

[The9]

as does the Arsenal v Sheff Utd FA cup match in the 90's where I think Kanu squared the ball to Overmars to score when Arsenal were supposed to pass the ball back to Utd for kicking it out of play for an injury

 

That's not a bad refereeing decision though, nothing that happened in that incident was outside the laws of the game. It was only the moral issue, and Wenger offering to replay the game, that led to the rematch. The ref probably could have given a non-existent foul throw, but that would have been worse.

 

I note that in similar incidents since (usually involving the club who is giving the ball back accidentally beating the opposition's goalkeeper) they tend to allow the opposition to jog up the pitch with the ball to score in return. I've seen it 2 or 3 times, I think either Exeter or Yeovil's keeper scored one unimpeded reply once.

[Whitey Grandad]

Actually had a look last night in view of that post and it still shouldn't be a pen as Lewis Dunk comes from the touchline side of Fonte so both the leg contact and the pull occurr when both men are outside the area.

I know it's stretching it a bit but Dunk pulls Fonte into the penalty area. We tend to concentrate on the position of the offended and not the offender. However, I don't think anybody would have been screaming for a penalty if he had awarded a free-kick just outside the box..

[Whitey Grandad]

That's not a bad refereeing decision though, nothing that happened in that incident was outside the laws of the game. It was only the moral issue, and Wenger offering to replay the game, that led to the rematch. The ref probably could have given a non-existent foul throw, but that would have been worse.

 

I note that in similar incidents since (usually involving the club who is giving the ball back accidentally beating the opposition's goalkeeper) they tend to allow the opposition to jog up the pitch with the ball to score in return. I've seen it 2 or 3 times, I think either Exeter or Yeovil's keeper scored one unimpeded reply once.

 

Should have awarded a throw-in to the other side for taking the throw from the wrong place. Just like Walton did on Saturday after being reminded by the crown in the Kingsland. He even had the good grace to smile and give a thumbs-up to us.

[markyboy]

The day we won the Rugby world cup was on the 22nd of November 2003 and the match report for the game that day is

 

http://www.chelseafc.com/matchreport/20031122/southampton-0-chelsea-1_2249014_22729

 

 

I have officially got a crap memory.

 

 

I remember that. Sat near the front of the Chapel behind the goal, late back after interval due to queues for the loo, blocked a couple of people's view when going past at same time as Chelsea scoring and got moaned at because they missed the goal. Err, shouldn't you be supporting Saints?

[bender]

I remember a couple of shocking decisions going against us. Neil Shipperleys disallowed header which would have put us 1-0 at Old Trafford in the FA Cup quarter final about 1996 and Rodney Wallace having a goal disallowed in the League Cup at home to Luton about a year or so before, again would have put us 1-0 up, we went on to lose both.

 

It's probably the worst one for us, clearly outside the area, but he didn't give two clear ones either so balanced out in the end.

 

This. I'll never forget that Rod Wallace one. Danny tussled with a defender on the left wing before crossing for Rodney to score. Ref gave it as a foul by Danny even though it was 50 50 at worst. Luton went on to score twice in extra time before Rod got a consolation.

 

Who remember the ref not noticing Paul Davis chin Glenn Cockerill in 1988/89 (4th game). We had led 2 - 0 at highbury only for them to level seven minutes into injury time. chunts.

[Kenilworthy]

Another Rennie incident. Away at Plymouth a couple of season ago. Rasiak goes clear and is rounding the keeper who grabs his ankles - I had a perfect view as Rasiak was running straight towards us and we were no more than 10 yards away. Rennie ddin't just not award the clearest penalty you will ever see, he sprinted from the halfway line to show a yellow card for diving.

 

Arsenal away in 2004. We are 2-1 up in the dying minutes when Kenton runs clear on goal. He is chopped down by a defender (Cygan I think) red card and penalty to seal the win for us. The referee sees nothing and keeps play going until Arsenal equalise and then adds even more time to try to get them a winner.

 

Spurs away 1987. We are playing really well and drawing 1-1 when in the last minute Tim Flowers makes a brilliant save at the feet of Clive Allen. The only person in the ground who thinks its a penalty is the referee and we lose 2-1.

 

League Cup away at Old Trafford (1990 or 91?) Jimmy Case bumps into Bryan Robson on the halfway line, its hardly a yellow card but out comes the red card.

 

There have been plenty of equally bad decisions against us for us not to bother when we get something in our favour.

[StDunko]

I remember two terrible decisions.

 

West Brom away a few years back, Kenwyn Jones (methinks) 1 on 1 with Dean Kylie. Kylie made a great low save to his left arm outstretched, only problem was that he was about 10 yeards outside his box. Kenwyn turned to the ref to appeal and the ref waved play on. Shout have been a red card and a free kick.

 

Second one was at Hillsborough at least 15 years ago, we were losing 1-0 with only seconds left desperate for any chance to equalise. Ball is crossed into the box and one of the Shef Wed defenders hoofs it into the top tier of the leppings lane end from the edge of the six yard box for a corner, not a single saints player near him and the ref gave a goal kick, unbelieveable!

[ericb]

jimmy case being sent of at old trafford for happening to be next to bryan robson when he tripped over his own feet was pretty shocking too

[CylonKing]

I remember the Jimmy Case\Bryan Robson incident clearly (we went on to win on penalities didn't we?) and credit to Robson, he did try and stop the referee showing a card at all as he felt it was a fair tackle.

[derry]

Allowing the goal at Leicester after attacking player climbed on Lamberts back causing him to fall forward and head the ball as he fell over. The two blatant fouls on Lambert, Painter grabbing him by the shirt front to stop him in the first half and then in the second half Dunk or Painter had their arms around him when he went over both were penalties. The referee was a knob but that one decision against Brighton was more than balanced out by the other two we didn't get.

[Whitey Grandad]

I remember the Jimmy Case\Bryan Robson incident clearly (we went on to win on penalities didn't we?) and credit to Robson, he did try and stop the referee showing a card at all as he felt it was a fair tackle.

The TV replays showed that Robson had tripped over his own feet. Case was nowhere near him, nor did he attempt to trip him. There was a nice gesture from Robson who shook Case's hand and apologised, not that it made any difference.

[bender]

I remember the Jimmy Case\Bryan Robson incident clearly (we went on to win on penalities didn't we?) and credit to Robson, he did try and stop the referee showing a card at all as he felt it was a fair tackle.

 

No we didnt. Lost 3 - 2. It was a league cup quarter final game replay. In the first game, it was 1 - 1 with Shearer scoring and Hughes getting an undeserved equaliser.

[rallyboy]

worst decision ever?

 

Diana getting in a car with a drunk frenchman who wasn't very good at driving?

 

Or Puncheon telling the gaffer to stick his team selection where the sun don't shine.

[Upton72]

I'm coming round to the opinion that Walton, having realised that he'd incorrectly awarded the first one, decided he'd better even things up by not giving the man-handling one. As the FLS showed, he was absolutely right in line with that incident with a clear line of sight. It was like a mugging.

If that was Walton's approach, "make amends, it'll be alright and people will forget"; perhaps human nature but totally stupid really because I'm not entirely convinced, after watching the FLS, that Calderon actually made contact with Rickie for his 2nd penalty.

Perhaps by that time Walton had lost the will to make a correct decision by then and wasn't sure whether it was our turn or not!

[krissyboy31]

I'm not entirely convinced, after watching the FLS, that Calderon actually made contact with Rickie for his 2nd penalty.

From the main camera angle it was inconclusive but from the reverse angle camera (which the FLS didn't show) there was definite contact which has been confirmed by several people I know who were situated in the Itchen South.

[L1Minus10]

Bryan Robson for man Utd against us at T when we won on pens. His header was about 2 yards over when Flowers clawed it back...

[kpturner]

Away at West Ham?

That wasn't a header - but a shocking decision anyway.