Le Tissier,Beattie and Lambert as penalty takers

[corsacar saint]

As a club we are remarkably lucky to have had Le Tissier and Beattie formerly and now Rickie Lambert as our main penalty takers. I am, I believe correct to say that between them they have only ever missed one penalty between them for Saints.[Matts being saved by Mark Crossley]. With the first two players and now Rickie,[dare I say it],it is almost certainly going to be a definate goal every time a penalty is awarded. I doubt that there are many clubs over the past 20 or so years

who have a better record. [ I do remember the Watford home game in 2007,when both Mcgoldrick and Wotton both missed from the spot in the first twenty minutes, and I dare say we have missed a few more],but how lucky have we been with these 3 guys and their all round goal scoring as well.

[VectisSaint]

Add David Peach to that list.

[Lighthouse]

Vignal and Pahars both had a perfect record as pen takers for Saints too.

[Mr saint]

Weirdly, with the benefit of hindsight, I'm pretty gald we lost the shoot-out v Derby in the play-offs now (sorry to go immediately off-topic).

[corsacar saint]

What has David Peach got to do with the last 20 or so years.[For the record I was a fan of his,and saw his debut in 1974 ].

[david in sweden]

As a club we are remarkably lucky to have had Le Tissier and Beattie formerly and now Rickie Lambert as our main penalty takers. I am, I believe correct to say that between them they have only ever missed one penalty between them for Saints.[Matts being saved by Mark Crossley]. With the first two players and now Rickie,[dare I say it],it is almost certainly going to be a definate goal every time a penalty is awarded. QUOTE]

 

Obviously MLT has the all time record in the League 48 out of 49. No-one's likely to come near that before they've played 10-12 years,

 

David Peach (1974-80) played 224 games for Saints had the League record for a FULL BACK scoring goals.

I think and most of his Saints tally were pens. His career stats. are outstanding (formerly Gillingham before Saints) he clocked up over 500 games and scored 73 goals in his career. FANTASTIC !

 

I don't have any penalty stats for Ricky to date (but he must be some way towards that by now ...?)

Edited 20 November, 2011 by david in sweden

[saints_is_the_south]

Vignal and Pahars both had a perfect record as pen takers for Saints too.

 

And Rasiak too I believe.

[Badger]

What has David Peach got to do with the last 20 or so years.[For the record I was a fan of his,and saw his debut in 1974 ].

 

Not unreasonable to make the comparison with David Peach, as the penalty spot probably has not moved in twenty years (32 penalties scored in a row ?)

 

As for his debut, was that in the 7-0 thrashing at Ipswich ?

[Lets B Avenue]

I make it 21 (not including 2 penalty shoot outs) for Ricky.

[Chez]

Crouch took a mean pen for us too.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

Crouch took a mean pen for us too.

 

Yep scored a few crunch time pens for us, don't think he missed for us.

[bpsaint]

And Rasiak too I believe.

 

Can't remember who it was against but Rasiak missed a pen at SMS against someone and took about 2 goes at scoring the rebound, finally succeeding from all of 1 yard.

 

Beatts missed in a preseason friendly once, not sure against whom but it was away, possibly in one of our Scandinavian tours.

[Mr Saints]

Dodd dispatched a couple aswell.

[sandwichsaint]

Stern John v Norwich anyone?

[david in sweden]

I make it 21 (not including 2 penalty shoot outs) for Ricky.

 

sounds impressive ..has he mi**ed any ?

[Lets B Avenue]

sounds impressive ..has he mi**ed any ?

 

Dont be silly.

[Jack]

sounds impressive ..has he mi**ed any ?

 

Nope

[Lighthouse]

Can't remember who it was against but Rasiak missed a pen at SMS against someone and took about 2 goes at scoring the rebound, finally succeeding from all of 1 yard.

 

Beatts missed in a preseason friendly once, not sure against whom but it was away, possibly in one of our Scandinavian tours.

 

Bury in the cup under Dodd and Gorman.

[VectisSaint]

What has David Peach got to do with the last 20 or so years.[For the record I was a fan of his,and saw his debut in 1974 ].

As a club we are remarkably lucky to have had Le Tissier and Beattie formerly and now Rickie Lambert as our main penalty takers. Think Peachey was our main pen taker, didn't really notice the reference to "20 or so", anyway isn't 37 "20 or so".

[Lets B Avenue]

Not unreasonable to make the comparison with David Peach, as the penalty spot probably has not moved in twenty years (32 penalties scored in a row ?)

 

As for his debut, was that in the 7-0 thrashing at Ipswich ?

 

Peachy scored 26 out of 28. Had 2 saved in the home games v. wolves and ipswich in 78-79 season. Made his full debut, as you say, in that horrendous night game at Ipswich. However, he had come on as Sub in the previous league match, at home to Q.P.R.

[VectisSaint]

Not unreasonable to make the comparison with David Peach, as the penalty spot probably has not moved in twenty years (32 penalties scored in a row ?)

 

As for his debut, was that in the 7-0 thrashing at Ipswich ?

Full debut, yes, but he was sub a week before against QPR I think.

[Badger]

Peachy scored 26 out of 28. Had 2 saved in the home games v. wolves and ipswich in 78-79 season. Made his full debut, as you say, in that horrendous night game at Ipswich. However, he had come on as Sub in the previous league match, at home to Q.P.R.

 

Remembered the Wolves miss as it was unthinkable he would miss. Had forgotten about Ipswich. I never really understood Peach's fall from favour at Saints, if it was injury that limited his chances here before his move to Swindon.

[bpsaint]

Bury in the cup under Dodd and Gorman.

 

Indeed it was,here it is again for comedy value...

 

[Colbury]

Anyone got the stats for Lambert and Beattie?

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

forgot to mention David McGoldrick

[paulwantsapint]

Doddsey used to slam the ball about a coat of paint below the cross bar

[Pilchards]

So who was the best?

 

I say Lambert's as his hit the net before the goalie gets there.

[Micky]

At the end of the day, it's all about balls.

[OttawaSaint]

Magilton missed a few...

[Lighthouse]

Magilton missed a few...

 

If only he had stood sideways on to the goal.

[Roger]

So who was the best?

 

I say Lambert's as his hit the net before the goalie gets there.

 

Le tiss took them vs premier league keepers and did it for 12 years

[Micky]

Le tiss took them vs premier league keepers and did it for 12 years

 

Exactly, I don't think there's any competition here. Comparisons, maybe - but competition - no.

[Dark Munster]

You'll notice MLT, Lambert and Beattie all hit their penalties firm and to the side usually. Almost always the sort of penalty where it doesn't matter if the keeper goes the right way. Never seen any of them try to be clever with a penalty, not take a decent run up etc.

 

Why can't players in England shirts be like this? Even Shearer was all about power rather than accuracy, so messed a fair few up. Lampard so often goes down the middle or gets nowhere near the side that he'll always miss a few, and Gerrard has no composure. Rooney hasn't mastered them, Terry falls over in the biggest moments, and even Beckham with his set piece ability messed up a fair few penalties. I've never understood it myself. Idiots say you can't practice, yet the best penalty takers all practice. I'm not a bad penalty taker myself, despite being rubbish at football. I'd like to think if football was my job, I'd be scoring 99% of penalties whatever my position on the pitch.

 

[Huntingdon]

I think Lambert and Le Tiss take similar penalties

 

They have an ability to create power and pace with their in step, and never just stick their laces through the ball. Which means they never just smash it down the middle or over the bar. They also seem to have the ability to disguise their shape, so the goalkeeper struggles to read which way it's going

[John Boy Saint]

Rickies "4th" on Saturday was very clever having beaten Harper from the spot twice the re take was a pressure penalty, sticking it in to the top of the net took some minerals, and was a showcase for his power and accuracy.

[david in sweden]

You'll notice MLT, Lambert and Beattie all hit their penalties firm and to the side usually. Almost always the sort of penalty where it doesn't matter if the keeper goes the right way. Never seen any of them try to be clever with a penalty, not take a decent run up etc.

 

Why can't players in England shirts be like this? Even Shearer was all about power rather than accuracy, so messed a fair few up. Lampard so often goes down the middle or gets nowhere near the side that he'll always miss a few, and Gerrard has no composure. Rooney hasn't mastered them, Terry falls over in the biggest moments, and even Beckham with his set piece ability messed up a fair few penalties. I've never understood it myself. Idiots say you can't practice, yet the best penalty takers all practice. I'm not a bad penalty taker myself, despite being rubbish at football. I'd like to think if football was my job, I'd be scoring 99% of penalties whatever my position on the pitch.

 

 

 

The real "penalty" problem for England is ; too many teams have foreign imports in their line-up, and the penalty-takers usually a " pre-designated " player, not necessarily English. The end result being that even a regular international in the English side might never have taken a penalty in proper game, let alone against an International keeper in a tournament semi-final after extra time !.

 

England's dismal performance with penalty kicks is plain to see when " kicker number 3, 4 or 5" might never have had to take one in his career!

 

Peter Crouch practiced a lot (according to him) and had no trouble putting one away v. Pompey when it mattered.

[Mozz]

They have an ability to create power and pace with their in step, and never just stick their laces through the ball.

 

Disagree with this part a little bit. Seems to be that whenever Lambert goes bottom left then he goes through the ball with laces rather than sidefoot.

[The9]

I think Lambert and Le Tiss take similar penalties

 

They have an ability to create power and pace with their in step, and never just stick their laces through the ball. Which means they never just smash it down the middle or over the bar. They also seem to have the ability to disguise their shape, so the goalkeeper struggles to read which way it's going

 

Disagree with this part a little bit. Seems to be that whenever Lambert goes bottom left then he goes through the ball with laces rather than sidefoot.

 

Just for the record, the "instep" IS the laces.

 

Last sentence under "anatomy" here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot

[VectisSaint]

Just for the record, the "instep" IS the laces.

 

Last sentence under "anatomy" here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot

the laces are traditionally on the top of the boot, this is what is meant when someone refers to the laces. OK, some modern boots (and old style George Best boots) have laces on what could be called the instep (side of boot) but this is not what is traditionally referred to as going with the "laces".

[Redbul]

Add David Peach to that list.

I'm fairly certain I saw him miss one once at the Dell. I was only a nipper so may be wrong....

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Can someone work out our %age of penalties scored since 1990? I can't am at work, but I'm sure some of you have time on your plate.

[70's Mike]

lets hope Rickie gets to take one in a FA Cup semi like Dave Peach, that takes real bottle

[Mozz]

the laces are traditionally on the top of the boot, this is what is meant when someone refers to the laces. OK, some modern boots (and old style George Best boots) have laces on what could be called the instep (side of boot) but this is not what is traditionally referred to as going with the "laces".

 

According to the link The9 put up the instep is the top of the foot (not the side):

 

"The instep is the arched part of the top of the foot between the toes and the ankle."

[Cricketphilly]

Didn't Jimmy Case take them?

[Baj]

Great video of le tiss and crossley, 50 pens taken, he saves 12

[video=youtube;VnydQGW-S8g]

[david in sweden]

Didn't Jimmy Case take them?

 

? not sure about that, but I know that Jason Dodd (successfully) took a few on those occasions when MLT wasn't playing ...

[david in sweden]

That's the same for most nations, there's nothing to stop every player practising and being a confident penalty taker. England have had plenty of regular and occasional penalty takers anyway with Pearce, Sheringham, Shearer, Wright, Fowler, Owen, Rooney, Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard, Crouch etc. It mainly comes down to bottle and belief, but if you have players like Batty taking a vital penalty when they never have even practised, you're in trouble. Worse still if you have gutless players like Ince too scared to even watch penalties, which hardly inspires belief in other players.

Spain had a poor record in shoot-outs for a while too. Sometimes the teams that lose big shoot-outs just get a complex about it and turn it into something more than it is. Even with our losses, it's not like England have gone out there and missed every penalty, or even most, it's usually just one or two. You can't guarantee anything, I'd just like to see 5 or 6 players not only confident of taking them, but actively relishing the opportunity.

Looking at England now, there are not players I'd trust in a shoot out. Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard and Terry would all be prime candidates for bottling it IMO. I'd rather leave it to the likes of Parker, Cahill, Baines, Jagielka, Young and Wilshere if they're all playing.

 

 

This has always fascinated me as everyone seems to think that players should automatically score at international level, without realising that you are up against an international keeper (not one of your ordinary club wallahs).

They are more likely to save kicks than most -except of course for those that sail over the bar ..or go wide, and that must be a laugh for them.

 

(I wrote this before) but just after Sven-Göran Eriksson was appointed England manager, I met him, together with my son at an autograph signing in Stockholm. At the time I did ask him if he was going to give Beattie and Bridge more of a chance, but he was politely evasive, but I also pointed out that England had gone out of several tournaments in the previous decade - purely because we were incapable of finding five players capable of putting the ball in the net after 120 minutes play !

 

He looked shocked .." Really ? he said, no-one's told me that.." I suggested that it might be embarrassing if the same thing happened AGAIN !

 

In a press conference several weeks later prior to the 2002 World Cup, he announced to the media that England players were going to have extra practice..taking penalties !

 

Fortunately, or unfortunately, it wasn't needed on that occasion but how can "professional managers not take such things into account ".

I know many of us were shocked that Hoddle didn't take MLT to the 1998 World Cup, but he obviously hadn't considered it very carefully as we had gone out that way so many times before..and that MLT had a record of 48 of 49 penalty goals ! So much for planning.

Edited 21 November, 2011 by david in sweden