Lamberts 2nd and 3rd penalties

[sainthomer]

Thought I would record lambert scoring again yesterday.Shows the penalty they didn't show on the football league show.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGyfPbmCSwc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Chris Marsden = Genius]

Sitting down for a penalty

[Saint J 77]

What was wrong with his first penalty then?

[Saint_clark]

What was wrong with his first penalty then?

 

Erm...the keeper was two feet off the line?

[beatlesaint]

Sitting down for a penalty

 

Some people do have disabled sections behind them you know ;-)

[St.Patrik]

Look how the goalie point to the left corner before the "real" pen. To try and trick Lambo to shoot there. Ok as an old goalie it's nice to see stuff like that. To sad for the goalie this time - that he was facing mr. Penelty KING : )

[Deano6]

Shows the ref definitely did blow the whistle before Lambert took the '2nd' (13 secs).

[The9]

You CAN clearly hear the ref blow his whistle for the one before the retake, but if the keeper isn't on his line it's a retake anyway.

[Saint_clark]

You CAN clearly hear the ref blow his whistle for the one before the retake, but if the keeper isn't on his line it's a retake anyway.

 

It's the refs fault for not properly checking everything before he blew the whistle.

[The9]

It's the refs fault for not properly checking everything before he blew the whistle.

 

Absolutely, but if he blows his whistle and the keeper charges up the pitch and hoofs the ball off the penalty spot before Lambert gets there it's still a retake because play isn't live until the penalty taker kicks the ball and the keeper has to be on his line for the kick to count. The whistle in this case is SUPPOSED to signal both players are ready - if Harper had been on the line "not ready" and the ref had ordered a retake having blown his whistle, he wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.

 

There are, of course, numerous examples of keepers coming off their line, the striker scoring and retakes not being ordered, due to the advantage.

 

The ball:

must be placed on the penalty mark

 

The player taking the penalty kick:

must be properly identified

 

The defending goalkeeper:

must remain on his goal line, facing the kicker, between the goalposts until the ball has been kicked

 

Also

 

The ball is in play when it is kicked and moves forward

 

Though the procedure does clearly state "After the players have taken positions in accordance with this Law, the referee signals for the penalty kick to be taken" which was Walton's mistake here.

Edited 20 November, 2011 by The9

[sibster]

Sorry The9 but I need to correct your understanding of the laws regarding penalties. You say that there have been several incidents where a keeper has left his line only to see the ball hit the net and a goal awarded (Incorrectly in your view) but this is not a case of referees "Being crap" but the laws of the game being correctly applied. The only time a penalty would be retaken for a keeper leaving his line would be if he was to save it as he has managed to gain an unfair advantage with his actions. If the goal is scored or the penalty taker misses the target the game should continue with either a kickoff (If the ball hits the back of the net) or a goal kick (If the penalty misses the target).

 

You may have guessed that I am a referee by the way!

[um pahars]

It's the refs fault for not properly checking everything before he blew the whistle.

 

Absolutely, Walton blows his whistle when the Brighton keeper has his back to Lambert. The Ref cccked up totally on that one.

 

There might have been a case to book the keeper for fannying around, but Walton should not have blown it whilst the keeper had his back to the action.

[Barry the Badger]

Walton really did have a shocker.

[Dimond Geezer]

Sorry The9 but I need to correct your understanding of the laws regarding penalties. You say that there have been several incidents where a keeper has left his line only to see the ball hit the net and a goal awarded (Incorrectly in your view) but this is not a case of referees "Being crap" but the laws of the game being correctly applied. The only time a penalty would be retaken for a keeper leaving his line would be if he was to save it as he has managed to gain an unfair advantage with his actions.

 

Being a former goalkeeper of absolutely no repute , that is exactly how I remember the rules.

 

 

I thought Rickie had put the retake over, I can't ever recall seeing him put one so high before.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I can't remember Ricky Lambert failing to score a pen for us - did he ever miss one before signing for us ?

 

For a player who doesn't always come across as the last word in self confidence, it's remarkable how as soon as we get a penalty decision, regardless of distractions, any sense of doubt is lifted from his shoulders and the opposition Keeper is left facing a Ice Man.

 

I've a feeling in my water that the 'blue few' may learn the truth of this when we visit Fratton Park.

[Whitey Grandad]

Thanks for sharing that with us. There's no whistle there.

[The9]

Sorry The9 but I need to correct your understanding of the laws regarding penalties. You say that there have been several incidents where a keeper has left his line only to see the ball hit the net and a goal awarded (Incorrectly in your view) but this is not a case of referees "Being crap" but the laws of the game being correctly applied. The only time a penalty would be retaken for a keeper leaving his line would be if he was to save it as he has managed to gain an unfair advantage with his actions. If the goal is scored or the penalty taker misses the target the game should continue with either a kickoff (If the ball hits the back of the net) or a goal kick (If the penalty misses the target).

 

You may have guessed that I am a referee by the way!

 

Yeah, you're right, I'd usually have clarified that it is given as an advantage but couldn't be arsed once I'd started posting excerpts from the laws. Have now edited.

 

So here it is...

 

If the referee gives the signal for a penalty kick to be taken and, before the ball is in play, one of the following occurs:

the player taking the penalty kick infringes the Laws of the Game:

the referee allows the kick to be taken

if the ball enters the goal, the kick is retaken

if the ball does not enter the goal, the referee stops play and the match is restarted with an indirect free kick to the defending team from the place where the infringement occurred

 

the goalkeeper infringes the Laws of the Game:

the referee allows the kick to be taken

if the ball enters the goal, a goal is awarded

if the ball does not enter the goal, the kick is retaken

 

And of course as there wasn't an offence by a Saints player, THAT means that the goal should have stood, so Walton's wrong one way or another.

Edited 20 November, 2011 by The9

[Dimond Geezer]

Thanks for sharing that with us. There's no whistle there.

 

That's really strange. Both myself & my old man distinctly remember hearing a whistle, we even commented on it at the time, but in the clip in the OP you can't hear one. Maybe someone in the crowd blew one.

[The9]

Thanks for sharing that with us. There's no whistle there.

 

There is quite clearly a whistle before the first attempt when Harper is barely looking.

[The9]

That's really strange. Both myself & my old man distinctly remember hearing a whistle, we even commented on it at the time, but in the clip in the OP you can't hear one. Maybe someone in the crowd blew one.

 

You can hear it quite clearly. Try listening to it without looking at the screen.

[Whitey Grandad]

You can hear it quite clearly. Try listening to it without looking at the screen.

There's some sort of noise but it's not the ref's whistle.You can hear that later and it's quite different. Whatever anybody may think of Walton, he's experienced enough not to blow his whistle whilst walking to his position with his back to the action.

[Saint_clark]

There's some sort of noise but it's not the ref's whistle.You can hear that later and it's quite different. Whatever anybody may think of Walton, he's experienced enough not to blow his whistle whilst walking to his position with his back to the action.

 

It sounds different because the sound is messed up - listen to the crowd noise after the first one, it sounds muffled and then changes. That's why the two whistle noises sound different.

[The9]

There's some sort of noise but it's not the ref's whistle.You can hear that later and it's quite different. Whatever anybody may think of Walton, he's experienced enough not to blow his whistle whilst walking to his position with his back to the action.

 

It is DEFINITELY his whistle, you can also see him move his right hand to his mouth just before it to put the whistle in his gob.

[The9]

There's some sort of noise but it's not the ref's whistle.You can hear that later and it's quite different. Whatever anybody may think of Walton, he's experienced enough not to blow his whistle whilst walking to his position with his back to the action.

 

He also was facing the action at that point.

[Whitey Grandad]

He also was facing the action at that point.

What time is that?

[um pahars]

There's some sort of noise but it's not the ref's whistle.You can hear that later and it's quite different. Whatever anybody may think of Walton, he's experienced enough not to blow his whistle whilst walking to his position with his back to the action.

 

Methinks he did.

 

Have another look and you his actions second time around are exactly the same as the first. Left arm out, whistle in mouth, blows whistle, right arm takes whistle out and then left arm comes down. It's identical.

 

He is facing the action as well on both occasions.

[Dimond Geezer]

You can hear it quite clearly. Try listening to it without looking at the screen.

 

Ah yeah you're right, its on 12 seconds, the keeper still has his back to RL.

 

Glad I wasn't imagining things.

[Whitey Grandad]

Nope, there's some sort of noise at 7 seconds but nothing at 12?

[Dimond Geezer]

Nope, there's some sort of noise at 7 seconds but nothing at 12?

 

I had to turn my sound up, but it's definitely there. I also remember clearly hearing it at the time.

[The9]

Nope, there's some sort of noise at 7 seconds but nothing at 12?

 

The sound at 7 is the muffling of the audio, the whistle is 12/13 seconds-ish. You appear to be the only person who couldn't hear it. I had a discussion yesterday in which a mate said the ref hadn't blown the whistle and I wasn't expecting to hear one when I saw the clip, but there it is.

 

I was at the other end and talking to the missus so didn't hear it at the time.

[Whitey Grandad]

I've just tried it several times with headphones and there's absolutely nothing, not even the noise that I hear at around 7 secs through the loudspeaker. It seems to me to be an artefact of the codec. Spooky!

[The9]

I've just tried it several times with headphones and there's absolutely nothing, not even the noise that I hear at around 7 secs through the loudspeaker. It seems to me to be an artefact of the codec. Spooky!

 

I have a suspicion a Facebook friend of mine has a different video of it, might see if I can find it...

 

Nope, just checked, it's of the first pen.

Edited 20 November, 2011 by The9

[Whitey Grandad]

That would be interesting. Be honest, did you ever think that the 'goal' would stand?

[Mozz]

Whistle definately there at 12 seconds. Walton even points towards the goal with his left arm as he blows.

 

It seems that Harper goes for a wander off his line whilst Walton has his back turned walking away from goal at the beginning of the clip. Walton then fails to re-check Harper's position before blowing.

[Chin Strain]

He definitely whistled. He even half apologised for cocking it up.

[Smirking_Saint]

Look how the goalie point to the left corner before the "real" pen. To try and trick Lambo to shoot there. Ok as an old goalie it's nice to see stuff like that. To sad for the goalie this time - that he was facing mr. Penelty KING : )

 

I used to hate keepers trying to put me off when taking a pen, I remember one doing the old roll the socks up and down routine once, to which when he had finished prancing about I retorted by stretching my hamstrings and then slamming it in the net.

 

This was the keeper saying I am diving this way, to which I would have scored and then pointed to where it went.

[Pilchards]

The bottom line is Harper should of faced the other way as he had no hope of getting a Rickie penalty.

 

Am I right it was Harper that conceded in the Le Tiss wonder goal many years ago?

 

Harper must be knocking on 40?!?

[Pilchards]

I used to hate keepers trying to put me off when taking a pen, I remember one doing the old roll the socks up and down routine once, to which when he had finished prancing about I retorted by stretching my hamstrings and then slamming it in the net.

 

This was the keeper saying I am diving this way, to which I would have scored and then pointed to where it went.

 

Should of seen the penalty before the break in A league of there own.

 

Quality I must add

[John Boy Saint]

Sat in row BB just to the left of the goal (from my view) Ref blows the whistle, Harper was no where near ready, Rickie seemed to ask Walton if he is sure as he gestures towards the keeper well off his line and not set, then Rickie looks as if he thinks I better take this as who knows what this ref will do if I don't, obviously the Lino plucks up the courage to let Walton know that the keeper is off his line.

[HK_Phoey]

I clearly remember hearing the whistle when watching on the telly, even commented to the wife that if the keeper was not ready, Harper did take an age fannying around and thought he should have been booked to be honest.

 

If there had been no whistle as some are suggesting then surely Ricky would have been booked for some infringement or other

[Lord Duckhunter]

I was in the Chapel and the Ref defo blew the whistle. The ref, who was poor all game cocked up, Either he blew before he should have done (unlikely), or the goal should have stood. To blow the whistle, the taker score, and then pull it back because the keeper was still fannying around is just plain wrong.I think that if he hadn't sent one off, given a dodgey pen earlier, he would just have allowed it. He just thought "oh ****, they're going go crazy over this" and bottled it.

Edited 21 November, 2011 by Lord Duckhunter

[Minsk]

Whitey grandad must have industrial deafness at the frequency of the ref's whistle. I can hear it clearly at 12/13 secs.

 

Also, yes the 'keeper ad his back to Lambert when he started the run up BUT at the time the ball was struck e (the goalie) was on his line and facing Rickie. Therefpre there should not have been a retake (IMO). Not tat it matters of course and the retake was an excellent kick!

[Whitey Grandad]

Whitey grandad must have industrial deafness at the frequency of the ref's whistle. I can hear it clearly at 12/13 secs.

 

Also, yes the 'keeper ad his back to Lambert when he started the run up BUT at the time the ball was struck e (the goalie) was on his line and facing Rickie. Therefpre there should not have been a retake (IMO). Not tat it matters of course and the retake was an excellent kick!

 

I think it depends on the browser you are using. I can clearly hear the later whistle but around 12 seconds there is nothing.

[Saint Garrett]

You can see how confident Rickie is at the moment. 3 class penalties.