JoeShmoe Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Gus has just dropped both feet in it in the Suarez/Blatter racism row, extraordinary interview on talkSport this am Sadly guaranteed tomorrow will be less about the football and more about his views Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Everyone went mad about Blatter and said he sound resign. Poyets comments were just as bad, if not worse. Poyet should leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 18 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 18 November, 2011 http://therepublikofmancunia.com/poyet-suarez-said-negro-but-he-isnt-racist/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=poyet-suarez-said-negro-but-he-isnt-racist&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Gus has just dropped both feet in it in the Suarez/Blatter racism row, extraordinary interview on talkSport this am Sadly guaranteed tomorrow will be less about the football and more about his views Just heard the entire interview on talksport. He has seriously lost the plot, saying things like "you want the whole world to drive on the right side of the world" when challenged about "liberal" south American attitudes to racism. Completely indefensible, great timing for us as he looks like a complete loon and will dominate the news cycle for a while.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Is there a link to the interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 18 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Is there a link to the interview http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports-breakfast/blog/2011-11-18/gus-poyet-luis-suarez-sepp-blatter-and-racism-football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stkev7 Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/1293/42/exclusive-poyet-luis-suarez-100-not-racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports-breakfast/blog/2011-11-18/gus-poyet-luis-suarez-sepp-blatter-and-racism-football If anyone reading this gets a spare 6/7 minutes listen to this! Poyet sounds like he has completely lost it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seany S Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Gives us a nice chant at tomorrows game: "Are you Blatter in disguise? Aaaaare you Bla-tter in disguise?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Gives us a nice chant at tomorrows game: "Are you Blatter in disguise? Aaaaare you Bla-tter in disguise?" or "you dirty racist bastard ! " wonder if the Albion fans still think he is the messiah after this ? also if he has these narrow minded views on racism, i wonder what are his views on homosexuals ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Could go both ways this. Could easily help Brighton, teams perform well when they feel it's their club against the world type situation. Just trying to think of the black players in brighton's team, can't think of any coming to mind at the moment, sure a few on here can correct me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Oh my goodness! What a racist ****. He should be sacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Could go both ways this. Could easily help Brighton, teams perform well when they feel it's their club against the world type situation. Just trying to think of the black players in brighton's team, can't think of any coming to mind at the moment, sure a few on here can correct me? They've got Kazenga Lua-Lua on loan from Newcastle, although not sure how much he's actually played this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 TBF, he is partially struggling to explain himself because he's not speaking in his native language. I hate the bloke and disagree with his point of view, but the language barrier hasn't helped him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 To be fair to the bloke, he is being interviewed by talksport so probably just giving the listeners what they want... ;o) He should probably have mentioned illegal immigrants though, he's let himself down there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 TBF, he is partially struggling to explain himself because he's not speaking in his native language. I hate the bloke and disagree with his point of view, but the language barrier hasn't helped him. Poyet's been in England since 1997 and as far as I'm aware hasn't had any problems speaking English to the media before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 The trouble with this whole topic, it is far from a debate, it is a witch hunt. Anyone not toeing the 'party' line, must be a racist, so by default, no-one will come out with a conflicting view. Lets start with Gray on Talksport, bangs on about racism, but try questioning him about sexism!. What next, no calling the welsh 'Taff', the scotish 'Jock', fatism anyone! this will not end with the colour of skin, mark my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 The trouble with this whole topic, it is far from a debate, it is a witch hunt. Anyone not toeing the 'party' line, must be a racist, so by default, no-one will come out with a conflicting view. Lets start with Gray on Talksport, bangs on about racism, but try questioning him about sexism!. What next, no calling the welsh 'Taff', the scotish 'Jock', fatism anyone! this will not end with the colour of skin, mark my words. God forbid we should start picking on people's hair colours eh Ginge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 haven't listened to the interview, but who interviewed him, do they argue against him or just stick their tongues up his arse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 The trouble with this whole topic, it is far from a debate, it is a witch hunt. Anyone not toeing the 'party' line, must be a racist, so by default, no-one will come out with a conflicting view. Lets start with Gray on Talksport, bangs on about racism, but try questioning him about sexism!. What next, no calling the welsh 'Taff', the scotish 'Jock', fatism anyone! this will not end with the colour of skin, mark my words. You say that like treating all people equally and not based on their ethnicity, sexual orientation, place of birth or physical appearance is a bad thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 The country he's from is racist so it's OK?! What a c*ck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 He sounds an absolute nutjob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Wonder if they'll get around to interviewing Di Canio next...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 It's not an excuse to blame naivety or culture. Gus almost feels it’s unacceptable for Evra to get offended because what was said wasn’t dictated in a racist manner. He & Sepp Blatter are not in a position to make that call, if Evra was offended by what Suarez said then that’s racism… whether it was intentional or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 "You are not racist when you go against one, but you are if you go against the whole world of different colour and nationalities. That is being racist, not saying one word in one moment," he added. Poyet has no clue at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Discrimination there is built on a far deeper ignorance and often hatred. Spot on. Discrimination always is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 The trouble with this whole topic, it is far from a debate, it is a witch hunt. Anyone not toeing the 'party' line, must be a racist, so by default, no-one will come out with a conflicting view. Lets start with Gray on Talksport, bangs on about racism, but try questioning him about sexism!. What next, no calling the welsh 'Taff', the scotish 'Jock', fatism anyone! this will not end with the colour of skin, mark my words. I don't think it's a case of toeing the 'party' line, more because of the fact that race hate is a serious problem. I think when people are discriminated against because of the colour of their hair, or stabbed to death for being fat then you could say they are the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Cheer up Gus Moyet Oh what can it mean When you're Uruguayan and look like Peter Reid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 I wonder if the Poyet thinks 'fags' should burn in hell too. Chances are that he is a homophobe as well as a racist. Usually a bigot like poyet is bigotted in all areas. Albion should sack him. What's the point of having a Kick it Out campaign if a prominent manager goes on radio and tells people it is ok to call people a 'n1gger' and that black players shouldn't be 'cry babies' if racially abused. An utter disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallington Saint Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 To be fair, most Brighton fans aren't very impressed either... http://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?219898-Gus-Poyet-right-or-wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Gus also blames this country and the FA Premier League for not giving time for Luis to adapt to what is acceptable behaviour in this fair land of ours... trouble is Luis was living in Holland since July 2006 before his move to Liverpool and I'm fairly certain racial abuse is not tolerated in Holland either. As has been said, Gus you are a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 I think the point Poyet is trying to make is subtle and that language has stopped him expressing it as well as perhaps he could have. He's not talking about the rights and wrongs of racism per se. He makes it clear that he's not a racist and would fight in a war alongside people of different colour. Yet before he came to the UK he would routinely refer to his good friend Fernando Cáceres as negro Cáceres. He's cites that newspapers and TV in other parts of the world also refer to him by that name. He said that in coming to the UK it took him some time to adjust to our country's attitude to racist terminology. Once he understood what was and wasn't acceptable, he adjusted the way he talked. He says Suarez is not a racist even though he used the term negro to refer to Evra. He is saying that you shouldn't accuse someone of BEING a racist just because they used a racist term. Especially if he comes from a culture where those terms are not seen as politically incorrect as they are here. I can see his point. I've met many older people who would tell you that they are not racist but refer to black people using language that by today's standards is toe-curlingly cringeworthy. People from my father's generation would happily share a pint with a black man but think nothing of referring to him as coloured or darkie or perhaps worse. It's wrong, but only from the perspective of 2011 UK. There is a real difference between someone BEING a racist and 'just' using terms that might be taken as racist. And just to be clear. I personally believe that we should do all we can to stamp out language that minorities legitimately find insulting or demeaning. I abhor racism and I like to think that I would confront anyone I hear using racist language as a tool of hate. But, as unenlightened as it appears from our post-politically correct perspective, it is possible to say certain words in certain situations and not be a racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 (edited) It's not an excuse to blame naivety or culture. Gus almost feels it’s unacceptable for Evra to get offended because what was said wasn’t dictated in a racist manner. He & Sepp Blatter are not in a position to make that call, if Evra was offended by what Suarez said then that’s racism… whether it was intentional or not. I say this post is racist. I feel it and you are not allowed to refute that. You are guilty because I say. What you have said makes no sense. Racism is wrong. So are McCarthy witchhunts for reds under the beds and nightime lynchings of paediatricians down our street. Seems to me there is so much hypocrisy and posturing around racism. People competing to be the most publicly right on (and then going home and doing saying something different) that there are no real conversations about the issues of race, nationalism, flags, immigration and globalisation anymore. At some point someone always plays the 'burn the witch / heretic / racist' card. There is a natural human trait to want to be with 'people like me'. There are all kinds of markers for that - age, class, football club allegiance, nationality, first language spoken, fat /thin, ugly/good looking, gender and race. Nationlists and loyalists in NI managed to divide themselves without having an obvious race difference. A black actor was being interviewed on the radio a few months ago about the making of 'Planet of the Apes'. Cant remember his name. He was talking about how when the cast and extras were having breakfast out of makeup then you would find tables of latinos, blacks and whites almost totally segregating themselves. Later, for lunch when people were totally clad in costume people would segregate themselves by Gorilla, chimp and orang utan. Racism is about treating people worse (or different) than you would someone of your own race. Not crucifying someone from a different country because they unwisely allowed themselves to be interviewd in their second language on a subject where the hypocrites are waiting to descend (and yeah I know I will inevitably be labelled a racist by the less acute for posting this) Edited 18 November, 2011 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Saintbletch as usual you make some fair points but if the reports are true on Luis, he said "You f*cking n*gger" 10 times to Evra, considering also that Luis has lived in western Europe for over 5 years now - it would be extremely difficult to defend his actions other than to call them racist. Only a bigot (Gus) would not see this as racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Hope Nigel's wearing his green badge tomorrow. In fact, let's all wear one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 I think Gus has snapped...he's a nutter! Should be fun to wind him up tomorrow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 There is a natural human trait to want to be with 'people like me'. There are all kinds of markers for that - age, class, football club allegiance, nationality, first language spoken, fat /thin, ugly/good looking, gender and race. Race is often used as cypher for shared values but not always - Nationlists and loyalists in NI managed to divide themselves without having an obvious race difference. Indeed. As I have mentioned before, I do not find black/brown/yellow women attractive. Never have. You could put what black men consider the most beautiful, sexy black bint infront of me naked - after I hadn't had a tug for a month - and my willy would not be in the slightest bit interested. I find only white girls attractive. (and the odd white boy too, in the case of Dune and Craig Mackail Smith). Does this make me racist? Or gay? Or both? Or none? Should my pecker be reported to the police for discrimination? Or should people just shake hands with it and move on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 The trouble with this whole topic, it is far from a debate, it is a witch hunt. Anyone not toeing the 'party' line, must be a racist, so by default, no-one will come out with a conflicting view. Lets start with Gray on Talksport, bangs on about racism, but try questioning him about sexism!. What next, no calling the welsh 'Taff', the scotish 'Jock', fatism anyone! this will not end with the colour of skin, mark my words. You're right. A couple of years back I was playing for a side that included a French Bloke who was working for Brittany Ferries in Poole. We had a situation where the referee reported one of the opposition to the FA for "racist language". Turned out he called the bloke a "French ***t".Maybe a "frog" or "froggie" I could understand, but how is calling someone a "French ***t racist"? (he was a ***t, by the way). I'm not condoning the use of the N word, but things are starting to get out of hand. I was called "baldie" last sunday morning, perhaps I should have complained to the Bournemouth FA.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 buctootim your definition of racism does not reach far enough, imo racism is not just about treatment of a race but it is the belief that your race is in someway superior to another race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 buctootim your definition of racism does not reach far enough, imo racism is not just about treatment of a race but it is the belief that your race is in someway superior to another race. Does that include Skates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 I suspect the Brighton fans' worthwhile cause to remove homophobic discrimination from football might be slightly damaged by having someone who appears to not be bothered about racial discrimination in a prominent position within their club... "Who's the racist, who's the racist, who's the racist on your bench?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Hope Nigel's wearing his green badge tomorrow. In fact, let's all wear one. Good idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 I think the point Poyet is trying to make is subtle and that language has stopped him expressing it as well as perhaps he could have. He's not talking about the rights and wrongs of racism per se. He makes it clear that he's not a racist and would fight in a war alongside people of different colour. Yet before he came to the UK he would routinely refer to his good friend Fernando Cáceres as negro Cáceres. He's cites that newspapers and TV in other parts of the world also refer to him by that name. He said that in coming to the UK it took him some time to adjust to our country's attitude to racist terminology. Once he understood what was and wasn't acceptable, he adjusted the way he talked. He says Suarez is not a racist even though he used the term negro to refer to Evra. He is saying that you shouldn't accuse someone of BEING a racist just because they used a racist term. Especially if he comes from a culture where those terms are not seen as politically incorrect as they are here. I can see his point. I've met many older people who would tell you that they are not racist but refer to black people using language that by today's standards is toe-curlingly cringeworthy. People from my father's generation would happily share a pint with a black man but think nothing of referring to him as coloured or darkie or perhaps worse. It's wrong, but only from the perspective of 2011 UK. There is a real difference between someone BEING a racist and 'just' using terms that might be taken as racist. And just to be clear. I personally believe that we should do all we can to stamp out language that minorities legitimately find insulting or demeaning. I abhor racism and I like to think that I would confront anyone I hear using racist language as a tool of hate. But, as unenlightened as it appears from our post-politically correct perspective, it is possible to say certain words in certain situations and not be a racist. POST OF THE WEEK. Every thing you say is completely the case. My father would affectionately call people 'darkies' but I promise you he wasn't racist - it was the language of the day. I would say him "Dad, you can't use that word these days". Any of you under 30, see if you can find a playback of any episode of 1970s sitcom "Love Thy Neighbour". Yes, it was a comedy. They can't show it these days - OFCOM would be inundated. Times change, expressions change. I haven't heard the interview with Poyet yet - I will later from home - but Bletch has explained it well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 You're right. A couple of years back I was playing for a side that included a French Bloke who was working for Brittany Ferries in Poole. We had a situation where the referee reported one of the opposition to the FA for "racist language". Turned out he called the bloke a "French ***t".Maybe a "frog" or "froggie" I could understand, but how is calling someone a "French ***t racist"? (he was a ***t, by the way). I'm not condoning the use of the N word, but things are starting to get out of hand. I was called "baldie" last sunday morning, perhaps I should have complained to the Bournemouth FA.......... If you think being called a baldie and a nig*er amount to the same thing son, you got bigger problems than poyet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Worst part of this interview "you can't even say black anymore" . Yes you can. But nice try at hyperbole. When even talksport presenters are uncomfortable with your language, you know your probably being a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinR Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Im loving this... Not only does Gus regularly do Nige's team talks for him with his disrespectful comments... Now he's created a media storm around his own club before their biggest game of the season. PLANK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 (edited) buctootim your definition of racism does not reach far enough, imo racism is not just about treatment of a race but it is the belief that your race is in someway superior to another race. But some races are superior at different things. The Japanese and European Jews score highest on IQ tests. Nepalese have 15% greater lung capacity even at sea level. South American indian tribes can exist on much less protein than western europeans. There hasnt been a white winner of the 100m Olympics for 30 years, nor a black one of the swimming. Its about how you treat people that matters, not trying to pretend that everyone from every country is identical. Edited 18 November, 2011 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 I suspect the Brighton fans' worthwhile cause to remove homophobic discrimination from football might be slightly damaged by having someone who appears to not be bothered about racial discrimination in a prominent position within their club... "Who's the racist, who's the racist, who's the racist on your bench?" I have a feeling that Gus is going to get dogs tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 November, 2011 Share Posted 18 November, 2011 Worst part of this interview "you can't even say black anymore" . Yes you can. But nice try at hyperbole. When even talksport presenters are uncomfortable with your language, you know your probably being a ****. Thats a good example of the misunderstanding and double standards. Spanish for black is 'negro'. You can say 'black' in England but you cant say 'negro' . What is Spanish speaker supposed to make of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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