John Boy Saint Posted 17 November, 2011 Posted 17 November, 2011 Just have to disguise the songs like singing the famous sweet brand words for "a ****** of ***** is just enough to give your kids a treat" then by the time the rozzers have worked it out all the offenders will be sat at home with their feet up in front of Strictly Come Dancing. Failing that get a cat, they can't touch you for anything if you have a cat to care for!
eelpie Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 soon we will be bound and gaged in our seats . its all banter ffs . No it isn't. Homophobic chanting, like rascist chanting, is illegal. Get over it.
JRM Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 No it isn't. Homophobic chanting, like rascist chanting, is illegal. Get over it. go on then, explain to us all what you as a gay person find so offensive about the words "we can see you holding hands" ?
ericofarabia Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 go on then, explain to us all what you as a gay person find so offensive about the words "we can see you holding hands" ? What I can't get my head around is, if the precious little princesses from Brighton find being associated with Gayness offensive and and making a big song and dance about it - surely it is them who are being disrespectful about The Gay Community in their midst? Okay if anybody was singing songs about harming them or actually saying they were a disgrace and should burn in hell etc, but the well worn we can see you holding hands and does your boyfriend know you're here etc are all a part of footie banter as much as we are called a small town in skatesmuff. Maybe a safe middle ground chant can be -"You come from Brighton - you know what you are" The hetros (both of them ..... LOL sorry!!) know very well that they are straight, and any gheyers already know that they are Gay. So what i the problem?
Turkish Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 What I can't get my head around is, if the precious little princesses from Brighton find being associated with Gayness offensive and and making a big song and dance about it - surely it is them who are being disrespectful about The Gay Community in their midst? Okay if anybody was singing songs about harming them or actually saying they were a disgrace and should burn in hell etc, but the well worn we can see you holding hands and does your boyfriend know you're here etc are all a part of footie banter as much as we are called a small town in skatesmuff. Maybe a safe middle ground chant can be -"You come from Brighton - you know what you are" The hetros (both of them ..... LOL sorry!!) know very well that they are straight, and any gheyers already know that they are Gay. So what i the problem? And why do they respond with "1-0 to the nancy boys" If they find it so cutting.
ericofarabia Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 And why do they respond with "1-0 to the nancy boys" If they find it so cutting. Well hopefully we won't be putting that one to the test tomorrow!!
Badger Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 Just have to disguise the songs like singing the famous sweet brand words for "a ****** of ***** is just enough to give your kids a treat" then by the time the rozzers have worked it out all the offenders will be sat at home with their feet up in front of Strictly Come Dancing. Failing that get a cat, they can't touch you for anything if you have a cat to care for! Made I laugh. As for the cat,just don't get caught on CCTV swinging it round by the tail.
notnowcato Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 He's coming on you He's coming on youuuuuuuuu Gussy the racist bigot He's coming on you
Bourne Valley Saint Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 When Oldham fans are accused of being the home of Islamic terrorists by some fans, do they go running to the politically correct police because they are associated as being the home of terrorism in the UK ? No, they make a joke of it by singing "1-0 to the Taliban" (that's if they are winning 1-0 mind!). FFS what is going on in this country? I'm not saying that being gay is a life style choice, I'm no expert but there must be an element of choice, I would think. Being black, ginger or bald (if not shaven) is not a choice. However, we abuse the ginger goalkeeper, fat defender, bald referee but we can't take the p**s out of the Brighton fans because their town is associated with gays FFS.
eelpie Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 go on then, explain to us all what you as a gay person find so offensive about the words "we can see you holding hands" ? That chant is funny, but it is still illegal. And you are presumptuous, offensive and wrong.
JRM Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 That chant is funny, but it is still illegal. And you are presumptuous, offensive and wrong. you didn't answer the question, what do YOU find so offensive about the words we can see you holding hands? i'm off for my Friday lunchtime pint in the Admiral Duncan, see you there
JRM Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 and before you say anything one of my favourite saints players of all time is Ken Monkou, so i can't be racist or homophobic.
Surman4no7shirt Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 Is "We can see you holding hands" really homophobic? Surely it's only offensive if you are on the receiving end and are homophobic?
1976_Child Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 That chant is funny, but it is still illegal. And you are presumptuous, offensive and wrong. Don't be so silly. Singing 'we can see you holding hands' is neither offensive nor illegal. If people take offense at it then they are sad losers. And it is most certainly not illegal. If you think it is illegal you need your head examined - and an education in the law.
Turkish Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 and before you say anything one of my favourite saints players of all time is Ken Monkou, so i can't be racist or homophobic. I hated John Fashanu, i am both.
70's Mike Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 of course i will be writing to Hants OB and saying that I am offended when 15000 skates chant Scummer at me, funniest thing about all this is the OB/Stewards did not hear any of the chants last time, deaf bas*ards
1976_Child Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 of course i will be writing to Hants OB and saying that I am offended when 15000 skates chant Scummer at me' date=' funniest thing about all this is the OB/Stewards did not hear any of the chants last time, deaf bas*ards[/quote'] Unfortunately, stopping skates calling us scummers will not help the bell-end copper get a promotion whereas pandering to the PC brigade by making a mountain out of a molehill will look really good at police HQ.
ericofarabia Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 What I can't get my head around is, if the precious little princesses from Brighton find being associated with Gayness offensive and and making a big song and dance about it - surely it is them who are being disrespectful about The Gay Community in their midst? Okay if anybody was singing songs about harming them or actually saying they were a disgrace and should burn in hell etc, but the well worn we can see you holding hands and does your boyfriend know you're here etc are all a part of footie banter as much as we are called a small town in skatesmuff. Maybe a safe middle ground chant can be -"You come from Brighton - you know what you are" The hetros (both of them ..... LOL sorry!!) know very well that they are straight, and any gheyers already know that they are Gay. So what i the problem? Is "We can see you holding hands" really homophobic? Surely it's only offensive if you are on the receiving end and are homophobic? How about if you claim to be / or are Gay? is it Homophobic for a Gay person to sing it?
aintforever Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 I fail to see how any of those chants are homophobic, in fact it is probably the homophobic among the Brighton fans that complained. You have to despair at the Hampshire plod, wasting time and resources on stuff like this. It sort of helps justify the Torie's cuts - it's tax-payers money paying these idiots to do this.
sotonswan Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 you didn't answer the question, what do YOU find so offensive about the words we can see you holding hands? i'm off for my Friday lunchtime pint in the Admiral Duncan, see you there Any particular reason why you bring up the gay pub that was nail-bombed in 1999? Was that an attempt at banter? If a pub full of Saints fans had been nail-bombed in the past I imagine you'd get quite uptight being reminded of the fact.
West End Saint Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 The world has gone mental next you wont be able to clap or cheer for fear of noise pollution this nanny state pc correct soceity makes me want to puke they suck the joy out of everything **** em. No doubt the nazi nob head OB will be back with his camera to film the hateful chanting that is likely to occur the world has gone mental
1976_Child Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 (edited) ... Edited 18 November, 2011 by 1976_Child
ericofarabia Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 The world has gone mental next you wont be able to clap or cheer for fear of noise pollution this nanny state pc correct soceity makes me want to puke they suck the joy out of everything **** em. No doubt the nazi nob head OB will be back with his camera to film the hateful chanting that is likely to occur the world has gone mental But there's the rub ..... the holding hands, boyfriend know you're here, you know what you are chants aren't HATEFUL they are Banter. Don't remember The Geordies or Boro fans getting their knickers in a twist when we chanted stuff like Only here for the weather - inferring that their's was inferior to ours or Shed bigger than this to League 1 teams.
West End Saint Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 Maybe with your ticket we should get a list of chants that are not allowed just so we don't get carried away & get arrested I can just about live with the guilt from hurting someones feelings but I don't want a banning order & to be locked up for inapropriate singing
eelpie Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 you didn't answer the question, what do YOU find so offensive about the words we can see you holding hands? i'm off for my Friday lunchtime pint in the Admiral Duncan, see you there The post didn't actually say that the words were offensive, but never mind.
Badger Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 But there's the rub ..... the holding hands, boyfriend know you're here, you know what you are chants aren't HATEFUL they are Banter. Don't remember The Geordies or Boro fans getting their knickers in a twist when we chanted stuff like Only here for the weather - inferring that their's was inferior to ours or Shed bigger than this to League 1 teams. Better not call them "smoggies" they might be offended, or run to The Council For the Protection of the Environmentally Challenged to issue writs.
dune Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 Any particular reason why you bring up the gay pub that was nail-bombed in 1999? Was that an attempt at banter? If a pub full of Saints fans had been nail-bombed in the past I imagine you'd get quite uptight being reminded of the fact.
Rebel Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 I hope they play that new song by Jessica Lowndes - her off 90210 - 'I wish I was Gay' - now that would make me laugh!
dune Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 Be interesting to hear the views of those on QueerUK... http://community.queeruk.net/threads/gay-chants-at-the-football.7112/
Gambol2K9 Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 How is it homophobic or hateful to sing 'does your boyfriend know your here' or 'we can see you holding hands'. Ridiculous. Since when was implying that a straight man is gay a homophobic attack? And if u are gay, it's in no way condemning it. This country has gone mad...
StDunko Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 F.A.O. Supt Rick Burrows, Silver Commander of Hampshire Police’s Football Unit Dear Supt Burrows I read with interest a article that was published on the Southern Daily Echo's website regarding chanting at previous matches between Southampton and Brighton: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/9370655.Police_wants_Saints_fans__help_to_beat_homophobes/ I am slightly confused about some of the issues raised in the article and was hoping you or a colleague could clarify the situation for me. The article suggests that some Brighton fans complained that there was homophobic chanting at previous matches between the clubs. I attended the last two games between Southampton and Brighton at St Mary's and it is true that I heard some chants (that I personally found childish) directed towards the Brighton fans. The chants clearly related to the fact that Brighton is known to have a high proportion of gay and lesbian residents, but I struggle to see how the chants I heard were threatening or derrogortory towards homosexuals. (At this point I would like to state that if there were other chants, that were threatening or derogatory towards the gay community, I can clearly understand the point of the article. I must just not have been in the areas of the stadium where these chants could be heard.) From where I was in the ground there were two chants that were clearly audible during those two matches. I feel required to repeat them in this email. Although as I mentioned before I would not be interesting in chanting them myself, as I find them as embarrasing, as many of the other chants that can be heard on the terraces. The first was "Does your boyfriend know you're here?" and the second was "We can see you holding hands". I have always personally thought that these chants are clearly aimed at antagonising homophobic Brighton fans. The intention being to get a rise from any Brighton fan that is disgusted and insulted by the insinuation that they are gay. I came to this conclusion as the wording of both those chants is hardly insulting towards a Brighton fan that is actually gay, only one that is appalled by the fact that others are suggesting that they are. Is this not a reasonable interpretation? So is the baiting of homophobes a bad thing? If the tables were turned and I was a Brighton fan, I personally would have no issue (apart from perhaps the tedium of hearing the same chants regularly) with a group of fans chanting the above at me. This is because I do not feel that someone suggesting that I might be gay is an insult, why on earth would it be? I certainly would not feel the need to complain about such chanting. Obviously if the chanting was threatening or derogatory such as: "We can see you holding hands, so we are going to wait for you after the match and stab you". I would totally understand the complaints and would be happy to help the police in any way possible, but in my vast personal experience of many hundreds of football games, homophobic chants like that, are just not heard at Southampton football matches. Please do correct me if my email is factually wrong and the chanting referred to in the article is different from my examples above. I would also be very interested to hear a reasoned argument that the chanting above actually is aimed at demeaning the gay community rather than winding up bigots. I am open minded and would appreciate hearing a differing viewpoint on this issue. I look forward to your prompt reply Kind regards StDunko
surrey1saint Posted 18 November, 2011 Author Posted 18 November, 2011 Good post St Dunko, Apparently police will be on hand to combat hate crime(according to Hampshire constabulary's media relations manager on twitter) ??
DJ_TOAST Posted 18 November, 2011 Posted 18 November, 2011 Good post St Dunko, Apparently police will be on hand to combat hate crime(according to Hampshire constabulary's media relations manager on twitter) ?? What a random person you were following to read that. But anyway "hate crime" ??!! bahahaha
surrey1saint Posted 18 November, 2011 Author Posted 18 November, 2011 What a random person you were following to read that. But anyway "hate crime" ??!! bahahaha She says she is the media relations manager for Hampshire Constabulary....
alehouseboys Posted 19 November, 2011 Posted 19 November, 2011 What with that game coming up on Dec 18th, I reckon our OB could be a little arrest-hungry today. They may see it as an ideal opportunity to get a few more 'fence rattlers' out of the way...so be careful what you get up to.
Wes Tender Posted 19 November, 2011 Posted 19 November, 2011 The world has gone mental next you wont be able to clap or cheer for fear of noise pollution this nanny state pc correct soceity makes me want to puke they suck the joy out of everything **** em. No doubt the nazi nob head OB will be back with his camera to film the hateful chanting that is likely to occur the world has gone mental Agreed. On the one hand we have the plod and their vain attempt to stamp out homophobic chants at a football matches and on the other hand they indulge in a massive breach of human rights with this bubble crowd control for the Skate match. Perhaps their time would be better served by tackling more serious crime, rather in indulging in petty issues like these. Next we'll have them rounding up fans for using foul and abusive language. And then they wonder why they have come to lose the respect of the general public. And if they are stupid enough to make an announcement about it during the match, then thy deserve all the abuse they get directed at them.
adrian lord Posted 19 November, 2011 Posted 19 November, 2011 (edited) There is a new PC term to describe all this, heard it on Radio 5 news: "Illicit Chanting". FFS. The fundamental hallmark of left wingers and the PC brigade is no sense of humour As a result they have an inability to distinguish humorous banter from truly nasty hatred. Edited 19 November, 2011 by adrian lord
Avenue Saint Posted 19 November, 2011 Posted 19 November, 2011 Seems like homos get more rights than hetros these days...
eelpie Posted 19 November, 2011 Posted 19 November, 2011 There is a new PC term to describe all this, heard it on Radio 5 news: "Illicit Chanting". FFS. The fundamental hallmark of left wingers and the PC brigade is no sense of humour As a result they have an inability to distinguish humorous banter from truly nasty hatred. Exactly the same arguments were made about rascist chanting and rascist jokes. Your innocently naaive views and views of others on here compare with Poyet/Blatter's comments and are not so far apart, not that you realise of course. Banter is funny, but I'm getting tired and bored of the same repetitive homophobic banter, as would many others. Change the record.
adrian lord Posted 19 November, 2011 Posted 19 November, 2011 (edited) Exactly the same arguments were made about rascist chanting and rascist jokes. Your innocently naaive views and views of others on here compare with Poyet/Blatter's comments and are not so far apart, not that you realise of course. Banter is funny, but I'm getting tired and bored of the same repetitive homophobic banter, as would many others. Change the record. You might like to know that my wife is black and I have a mixed race daughter, and an adult gay stepson. So who is naive here? Oh, and it is spelt racist, not rascist by the way. Unlike you, we are able to discriminate hatred from humour, having experienced it first hand. That used to be a great British trait, but has got lost along the way somewhere. Edited 19 November, 2011 by adrian lord
dune Posted 19 November, 2011 Posted 19 November, 2011 So did the OB lose? Brighton fans seem to think so. http://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?220135-Homophobic-Abuse-Today.........
ART Posted 19 November, 2011 Posted 19 November, 2011 Lady Gaga would have resolved all issues with her "BRIGHTON FANS WERE BORN THIS WAY" OOO THERE AIN'T NO OTHER WAY BABY THEY WAS BORN THIS WAY BABY THEY WAS BORN THIS WAY OOO THERE AIN'T NO OTHER WAY BABY THEY WAS BORN- ON THE RIGHT CRACK BABY THEY WAS BORN THIS WAY
Elias Posted 19 November, 2011 Posted 19 November, 2011 The way they're taking this defeat hardly makes them seem macho, that's for sure. Not a big fan of the 'does your boyfriend know you're here?' chants, unoriginal, stupid and boring when we had enough to sing about in any case.
oldskoolsi Posted 19 November, 2011 Posted 19 November, 2011 I was pleased the gay chants seemed to stop by the second half today. First half the does you boyfriend know you're here/we can can see you holding hands/ up the arse were rather predominant. Not a fan of these but at least there was some attempt at humour, even if not original. The 'we hate 'f***gots" type chants that were sung by a minority had no humour or tongue in cheekness about them and reek of homophobia for me.
Spudders Posted 20 November, 2011 Posted 20 November, 2011 I was pleased the gay chants seemed to stop by the second half today. First half the does you boyfriend know you're here/we can can see you holding hands/ up the arse were rather predominant. Not a fan of these but at least there was some attempt at humour, even if not original. The 'we hate 'f***gots" type chants that were sung by a minority had no humour or tongue in cheekness about them and reek of homophobia for me. Didn't hear this chant, but I have to say I enjoy a couple of meaty faggots inside me and can't really understand why people dislike them so much? Their hot, salty, rich sauce slips down the throat easily and always leaves me wanting more.
lordswoodsaints Posted 21 November, 2011 Posted 21 November, 2011 Gayness is a sin in the bible and as you have to swear on the bible in a court of law I will take my chances in court. I'm not against gayness but I am against overreacting by the idiots who have turned this country into a place where the witch hunt rules.
Somewhere In Northam Posted 21 November, 2011 Posted 21 November, 2011 Gayness is a sin in the bible and as you have to swear on the bible in a court of law I will take my chances in court. see you in six weeks then, dont tell me you actually believe that ****
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